MaM a Year Later - Reconstruct the Crime

[missy1974]

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Well, actually there was one lady who called in and said she saw TH taking pictures of cows near Valders. Ironically, Valders is not that far from the Whitelaw tower.

Missy~~do you recall reading at what time of day she was spotted??

I didn't but found one little snippet in the CASO report.

I did make contact with A*** P. KN***** ,who informed me that on possibly Tuesday morning, she had
seen a female fitting the description of TERESA on the highway taking photographs of cows.
Shortly after my arrival, Inv. WIEGERT had informed me that they located TERESA's vehicle
on the AVERY Property.

Can be found here: http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/CASO-Investigative-Report.pdf#page=68
I took out her bday and some of her name, but it's in the report.

 

[Karinna]

I'm sure his lawyers asked him ;-)

This is from the opening statements, it's not evidence, but it gives some insight IMO

But he is on his own cell phone and he may not want, not being entirely sure whose number he is calling, he may not want to be giving out his cell phone number.


http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-c...Trial-Transcript-Day-1-2007Feb12.pdf#page=123

Thanks for the clarification missy. Sounds logical to me.

 

[Karinna]

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Well, actually there was one lady who called in and said she saw TH taking pictures of cows near Valders. Ironically, Valders is not that far from the Whitelaw tower.

Missy~~do you recall reading at what time of day she was spotted??

Thanks BCA. Yes i remember about that and didn't another person claim to have seen TH's vehicle after she left Avery's yard as well? Could be the bus driver i'm thinking of or someone else who saw her car driving around?

 

[BigCityAccountant]

In regard to the back and forth about whether BrD was home the night of 10/31/05...

In addition to Barbs statement that BrD was home at 8:00pm, Bobby D also gave a statement on 2/27/06 to Inv. John Dedering that stated BrD was possibly home when he woke up at 2100 hours (or 9:00pm).

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-c...ibit-124-Bobby-Dassey-2-27-2006-Interview.pdf

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Thanks BCA. Yes i remember about that and didn't another person claim to have seen TH's vehicle after she left Avery's yard as well? Could be the bus driver i'm thinking of or someone else who saw her car driving around?

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Well Hello!!!

Yes, in addition to the bus driver there was a call to MCSD by an elderly couple on State Hwy 147 who stated there was a van or truck (I can't recall exactly) near a creek or the river. According the the MCSD, it turned out to be nothing.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

I didn't but found one little snippet in the CASO report.

I did make contact with A*** P. KN***** ,who informed me that on possibly Tuesday morning, she had
seen a female fitting the description of TERESA on the highway taking photographs of cows.
Shortly after my arrival, Inv. WIEGERT had informed me that they located TERESA's vehicle
on the AVERY Property.

Can be found here: http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/CASO-Investigative-Report.pdf#page=68
I took out her bday and some of her name, but it's in the report.

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THANKS~~was just looking for that...

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Have we ever discuss this report?? Can we match up the addresses to who they belong to?

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/CASO-Dispatch-Log-redacted.pdf

 

[missy1974]

Have we ever discuss this report?? Can we match up the addresses to who they belong to?

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/CASO-Dispatch-Log-redacted.pdf

Nope, I know I posted it somewhere. Huge discussion about this report on reddit the last few days, in regards to the morning of the 5th and who was where and at what time. Maybe I will start another thread. Will post the link when I do

ETA: new thread http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?325655-CASO-Dispatch-Log&p=13034641#post13034641

 

[scaredtopost]

Do we know who the numbers listed on TH's phone log belong to? I'm interested in the call and VM right before she likely arrived at SA's. Also interesting that person did not continue trying to reach her that afternoon. What if this person later caused harm to TH, then sees SA calling her phone and that catapults everything that follows. How lucky that he is her last caller around that time frame....
JMO, MOO, etc

 

[missy1974]

Do we know who the numbers listed on TH's phone log belong to? I'm interested in the call and VM right before she likely arrived at SA's. Also interesting that person did not continue trying to reach her that afternoon. What if this person later caused harm to TH, then sees SA calling her phone and that catapults everything that follows. How lucky that he is her last caller around that time frame....
JMO, MOO, etc

We know some of them. The 2:27 call is said to be incoming from AutoTrader, but we don't have any confirmation of it. The 2:41pm call went to voicemail, we know this because it actually shows on her VM records. That was also the call that shows the "function" CFNA. Still no clue how or why that was done. And the 2:41pm call is also the one that pings off the same tower she pinged earlier at 1:52pm. (why Zellner says she went back home the same way she came and also put in the Motion for Scientific Testing that it was the Whitelaw tower)

 

[BigCityAccountant]

We know some of them. The 2:27 call is said to be incoming from AutoTrader, but we don't have any confirmation of it. The 2:41pm call went to voicemail, we know this because it actually shows on her VM records. That was also the call that shows the "function" CFNA. Still no clue how or why that was done. And the 2:41pm call is also the one that pings off the same tower she pinged earlier at 1:52pm. (why Zellner says she went back home the same way she came and also put in the Motion for Scientific Testing that it was the Whitelaw tower)

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Yep that 1:52pm call is the key...no information on who it was.

 

[dexter75]

Nope, I know I posted it somewhere. Huge discussion about this report on reddit the last few days, in regards to the morning of the 5th and who was where and at what time. Maybe I will start another thread. Will post the link when I do

ETA: new thread http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?325655-CASO-Dispatch-Log&p=13034641#post13034641

You're the best❤

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[dexter75]

I block my number if I don't want the party I'm calling to have my personal cell number. If I was planning on murdering the person, I couldn't care less if they had my number. Not like their gonna be around to spam my cell, or give my number out...

See my friend, common sense. It's all just, common sense.
Why is this something that is SO over thought??

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[dexter75]

Sometimes I use *67 when I am calling someone multiple times so as not to appear it is me that is annoying them.

SA using *67 means absolutely nothing IMO

This..right here.
Omg
Do you know HOW many times I have called the same business..forgetting to ask " one more question " because I don't want to look like THAT customer?
I can still hear my sisters voice now..." just call back and #67 it " ...it's not a big deal..at ALL..

For Steve Avery though..

Kinda sucks that a woman was MURDERED ( technically, we don't know she was murdered) and was allegedly last seen alive at his house..

Being Steve Avery, looking at the PB case..flashing forward to look at all we have available to us here..Doesn't surprise me, not even a little bit.


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[dexter75]

Exactly.

His sister was selling the car and it was her name and number that the order was placed under. It was still the Avery yard address and she would have recognized it. She had said she'd be there around 2 o'clock so him phoning her when she wasn't there at 2:30 isn't weird. Why he used *67 is unclear but we don't know his habits.

Teresa was a smart, independent woman who obviously did what she wanted, when she wanted.
She was no naive " damsel in distress "
She wasn't afraid
Wasn't lead under false pretenses & left alive..IMO

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[dexter75]

Oh wow, looks like those doctors got their medical degree from Netflix!

Like most stories, there is almost always another side. Imagine if the following happened. We'll stick with Doctors to keep it consistent.

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Sorry, but we aren't permitted to treat this patient at this particular hospital because he was misdiagnosed about 20 years ago by doctors that no longer work here and he is currently in litigation with those doctors.

Yes, I realise those doctors no longer work here and the patient is displaying symptoms of a contagious disease that is harmless to him, but deadly to any females that come into contact with him, but that doesn't matter. The patients lawsuit is of the upmost importance and should be put before public health and safety. We know a young lady has died after coming into contact with the patient but you're going to have to look elsewhere for help. In fact, go look for someone with a clean bill of health and is displaying absolutely no symptoms. That is where she probably coulda, woulda, shoulda caught it.

Yes, we have the only two surgeons that can perform this particular operation, but we are not going to allow them to be used because...well...again, the lawsuit is our first priority. The safety of the community is not our problem. We will just have to simply ignore the obvious symptoms of the patient and convince all other hospitals to do the same.

Not comparable
Not even close

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[dexter75]

No recourse? Perhaps this link will be helpful for you.

https://www.justice.gov/crt/addressing-police-misconduct-laws-enforced-department-justice

It is litigated at State, Federal & Civil levels (wasn't SA seeking recourse for his wrongful conviction when he murdered Teresa?)

You can't expect to seek recourse for something that you fail to prove imo.

Real recourse doesn't equal money IMO
For some of us, it's moral, principal & justice.

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[proudfootz]

Thanks BCA. Yes i remember about that and didn't another person claim to have seen TH's vehicle after she left Avery's yard as well? Could be the bus driver i'm thinking of or someone else who saw her car driving around?

Yes, there was propane delivery driver who worked in the area noticed a vehicle like the RAV4 leaving the vicinity of the Avery Salvage Yard after Teresa took photos of the van for Auto Trader.

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-c...rial-Transcript-Day-19-2007Mar08.pdf#page=122

 

[dexter75]

They might, I suppose.

On the other hand they might, just like everything else, show no sign of Teresa.



It's true she could be lying, or misremembering.

But if we don't trust her statements to police (and don't trust the police to accurately set them down in writing), then that's a sword that cuts both ways.



No one AFAIK reports trying to call Steven and his not answering the phone.

With all the things Steven is allegedly doing that evening, he'd need a great deal of luck to be able to field half a dozen or so phone calls at random times without missing a single one.

I wonder what he'd do if, as happens when you have a bonfire, one of the several people coming and going that night had come over to the fire and saw a human corpse lying there?

I've had bonfires in my yard, and people are attracted to them. I've even had complete strangers come over to check it out.

Dude!
I've had this thought so many times!!
Great point❤
We ( along with many friends) are notorious for getting together for huge bonfires! Everyone knows everyone out in the country! We are back in the city, but as I type this, I'm at a besties table while hubby and daughter and HER FAMILY are sleeping. Spent the night ( as we have many times prior ) to celebrate hubbies birthday❤ I don't drink much anymore, however the thought of being on the road late at night on the weekends, no thanks.
My point..these rinky dink towns ( here we have ONE BLINKING LIGHT and a corner store😉 ) country folks know ALL their neighbors and someone is always showing up to a bonfire.
Same with aunt and uncle or grandma & grandpa's ..always an ATV riding up to say hello.

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[dexter75]

Would one of the SA advocates please be so kind as to explain to me your theory on why SA would block his phone number when calling TH on the very day she was murdered? Did he block his number when he called others that day? TIA

After working in the corporate world for over 30 years and then as a business owner myself for 16 year from 1993-2009 before retiring... I have never heard of anyone (me included) with a legitimate business blocking their phone number from being seen.. Especially when they are calling someone about a service they specifically had requested from the person they were calling. I could possibly understand if SA was collecting an outstanding debt owed by the one he called but that was not the case here. Why do you think he asked for TH specifically that day? Had he called before asking for TH to come out?

Since this case has come up again, I have asked numerous friends who own businesses the same question, and they look at me very puzzled, but all of them said they would not do such a thing nor have they ever done so and said they have never had a reason to do so. They kept saying 'why would anyone do that?' They couldn't come up with any logical reason/explanation why a business owner wouldn't want their number seen and neither can I. So that is why I am asking any of you what you think as to the rational reason why he did this. Its just been one of things among others that has never made any sense to me.

Like I said earlier, IMO, the vast majority of jurors tend to not believe in mere coincidences especially when it come in the form of evidence entered at trial. I have been a juror on five different criminal cases including one death penalty case for double murder. I have tried to rationalize this away for awhile now but I am still unable to do so when applying logic and commonsense. I just cant chalk the call blocking up as being benign or a mere coincidence when applying rational thought processes to it. Everything SA did the very day TH was murdered has great relevance like in all cases and each piece had a purposeful intent behind it, imo. It takes thought and physical actions to hit *69 or whatever the number he used to hide who is calling and didn't he do this twice or do I have that wrong? If it happened twice that is even more relevant. JMO though

I will never forget ADA Rick Distaso's words he told the jury in his closing during the Scott Peterson trial. . "Just how many coincidences are you willing to believe and still be able to call yourselves reasonable people?"

I think about those words when I think of this case.

I honestly make nothing of it. If someone asked me about this exact thing, and Teresa Halbach wasn't attached to it, my answer would remain unchanged.
I've done it several times myself when distracted or busy..Called a business several times and blocked who I was so I did not look like a jackass for asking a stupid question, or not asking the " first" time I called.
It's quite common
More common than people care to admit.

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