MaM a Year Later - Reconstruct the Crime

[proudfootz]

Interesting - according to Bobby Dassey his mother Barb was intending to sell the van:

"He stated he observed the vehicle stop and a female exit the unit and photograph a maroon van, which his mother is attempting to sell. "

From page 90 of the CASO report.

 

[proudfootz]

So now there is a note?

Not having any luck Googling 'Avery gave Halbach a note'.

Now if Steven 'went out to meet her and gave her the cash and a note' what is the point of the note containing a message to collect the payment from his trailer?

This story gets more convoluted by the minute.

 

[missy1974]

Interesting - according to Bobby Dassey his mother Barb was intending to sell the van:

"He stated he observed the vehicle stop and a female exit the unit and photograph a maroon van, which his mother is attempting to sell. "

From page 90 of the CASO report.

Yep, all the kids knew it was being sold, Barb knew it was being sold, it was not a secret.

This is JMO, but I'm guessing that SA probably did the work on a lot of the personal vehicles, he thought the van was a piece of junk and thought he could get a better piece of junk for the boys to drive with the money from the sale of the van. Not to mention.... every teenage boy dreams of driving their very own mini-van LOL

 

[missy1974]

Not having any luck Googling 'Avery gave Halbach a note'.

Now if Steven 'went out to meet her and gave her the cash and a note' what is the point of the note containing a message to collect the payment from his trailer?

This story gets more convoluted by the minute.

I should have been more clear. My question about now there is a note.... I meant a note telling TH to go to his house.

The note that SA talks about giving TH along with the money, would have been the description of the van for the ad for AutoTrader to run.

 

[proudfootz]

I should have been more clear. My question about now there is a note.... I meant a note telling TH to go to his house.

The note that SA talks about giving TH along with the money, would have been the description of the van for the ad for AutoTrader to run.

That makes perfect sense.

Funny how any innocuous and sensible action suddenly becomes devious and sinister when Steven does it.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

It was mentioned in opening statements, which I linked to yesterday or the day before. And yep, actually, I'm pretty sure they also mentioned he used *67 for privacy reasons in numerous interviews after MaM was released. I will say JMO since I haven't had coffee yet and I don't feel like googling

Your saying that the defense said in their opening statement that the State purposely withheld or altered phone records showing that SA used *67 before TH was killed? That would have been grounds for a mistrial if the State did that.

 

[missy1974]

Your saying that the defense said in their opening statement that the State purposely withheld or altered phone records showing that SA used *67 before TH was killed? That would have been grounds for a mistrial if the State did that.

HUH? Oh wait... I had to go back and re-read your post, I read it as USING *67, not MISSING *67. Sorry Ranch

I'm not sure where the missing *67 records is coming from either, and I'll be honest, I have skipped some posts dealing with *67.

:deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse:

 

[CoolJ]

The fact that the Kratz<modsnip> are still harping about the *67 thing says more to me about their lack of an argument than anything else. Many many people use *67 for a variety of reasons that are not nefarious in nature.

How one can look at this and be suspicious but not be suspicious of the fact that TH had her phoned hacked into and voicemails deleted is TOTALLY BEYOND ME. I don't get it. It doesnt make logical or intuitive sense.

 

[proudfootz]

HUH? Oh wait... I had to go back and re-read your post, I read it as USING *67, not MISSING *67. Sorry Ranch

I'm not sure where the missing *67 records is coming from either, and I'll be honest, I have skipped some posts dealing with *67.

:deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse:

It's probably my fault for pointing out that all these wild speculations about *67 is utterly meaningless since they lack any context.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Seriously? Not even the fact that the juror knew this information going into the trial ? That this is what he/she, in part , based his decision on? OKayyyy.....

Looks like this is another point where I have to say lets agree to disagree. I have no idea where you're getting the facts that you're posting but it sure isn't in the link you provided.

 

[missy1974]

Looks like this is another point where I have to say lets agree to disagree. I have no idea where you're getting the facts that you're posting but it sure isn't in the link you provided.

It's a poorly worded article IMO

I went and found the original from InTouch...

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/steven-avery-making-a-murderer-87155

One juror, when asked why they voted guilty and what they thought happened to murder victim Teresa Halbach, said &#8220;Torture and rape. Then he shot her in the head. He cut her up and put her in a burn barrel.&#8221;

If the "Torture and rape" part is why the juror voted guilty, then yes, it would be an issue. Considering that the article goes on to talk about how juror's were not to consider that, it makes it look like that is how it was meant. But again, poorly worded and open for interpretation IMO

 

[proudfootz]

It's a poorly worded article IMO

I went and found the original from InTouch...

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/steven-avery-making-a-murderer-87155

One juror, when asked why they voted guilty and what they thought happened to murder victim Teresa Halbach, said &#8220;Torture and rape. Then he shot her in the head. He cut her up and put her in a burn barrel.&#8221;

If the "Torture and rape" part is why the juror voted guilty, then yes, it would be an issue. Considering that the article goes on to talk about how juror's were not to consider that, it makes it look like that is how it was meant. But again, poorly worded and open for interpretation IMO

The beliefs of the juror quoted makes it sound like they were rubber stamping the verdict announced by Ken Kratz in his prejudicial news conference before even a scintilla of evidence was heard.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

It's a poorly worded article IMO

I went and found the original from InTouch...

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/steven-avery-making-a-murderer-87155

One juror, when asked why they voted guilty and what they thought happened to murder victim Teresa Halbach, said “Torture and rape. Then he shot her in the head. He cut her up and put her in a burn barrel.”

If the "Torture and rape" part is why the juror voted guilty, then yes, it would be an issue. Considering that the article goes on to talk about how juror's were not to consider that, it makes it look like that is how it was meant. But again, poorly worded and open for interpretation IMO

I will give that alleged comment by a juror some weight if this person makes a public statement saying this is why they voted guilty.

At the same time I don't think that a juror who changes their mind after being influenced by a TV show or other outside sources should be believed. JMO

 

[IDK]

The beliefs of the juror quoted makes it sound like they were rubber stamping the verdict announced by Ken Kratz in his prejudicial news conference before even a scintilla of evidence was heard.

This is how I read the article as well. I'm sure the juror will not come forth publicly to reiterate his views. As many here have reported, sentiment against SA is high in the Manitowoc area. It would take a rare breed to speak up publicly in support of Steven Avery, IMO.

 

[proudfootz]

The power of the press to make someone a hero or make them a scapegoat is frightening.

Ken Kratz's press conference is a good example of the danger of 'fake news' coming from the mainstream news outlets - which is far more insidious than the recent hysteria about websites read by a few hundred or so people. Because it's 'mainstream' people are lulled into a false sense of security that the information is accurate.

 

[Safeguard]

The power of the press to make someone a hero or make them a scapegoat is frightening.

Ken Kratz's press conference is a good example of the danger of 'fake news' coming from the mainstream news outlets - which is far more insidious than the recent hysteria about websites read by a few hundred or so people. Because it's 'mainstream' people are lulled into a false sense of security that the information is accurate.

Absolutely. You can see this effect in the first forum topic for TH when she went missing (2005). Before KK went public with his gruesome fable, that thread had a number of people who were not convinced SA killed her.

Right after the "news" conference, there was a huge shift to "Villagers With Torches Lit" on that thread. It's a spectacular and breathtaking view of how anyone could be set up, to be viewed as a monster if that's what LE wants out there.

If I have learned anything from being a member here, it is to never believe I am getting the whole true story from the press. Ever.

The original Teresa Halbach missing thread is worth reading again imo:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...anitowoc-31-Oct-2005&highlight=Teresa+halbach

 

[dexter75]

Which brings up a good point. She had no reason whatsoever to go to Steven Avery's door that day. That was not the address she was given. If she was going to go to anyone's door, it would have been Barb's.

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[dexter75]

Yep. It is in BoD's interviews (CASO reports). She parked directly across from the Dassey's driveway facing west. The van was parked at the edge of the Dassey's property. It is unknown if she knocked on BJ's door. What is known is that she was last seen walking towards SA's trailer, whether it was from the direction of the van or the Dassey's is not clear.

Ooooh, ok. Bobby's.
Well then, if Bobby said so&#128580;
I'm with Missy on this , makes zero sense why she would go knocking on SA's door.
I still have much to catch up on here as far as reading goes...busy, BUSY life.
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[dexter75]

So to those who believe using *67 indicates that SA was "luring" TH to the salvage yard, please explain this. If Theresa had answered the call, how would Steven have continued his "luring" behavior? Do you feel he would have disguised his voice? Pretended to be someone else? Or as Missy theorized (which I think is quite possible), would he have just confirmed whose number he was calling?

How would he have conducted the call? I'm interested in what you have to say. IMO, it would have been something completely innocent such as "Hello, is this Ms. Halbach? Steve Avery here, just confirming your appointment at the salvage yard this afternoon."

Great question&#128521;

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[proudfootz]

Absolutely. You can see this effect in the first forum topic for TH when she went missing (2005). Before KK went public with his gruesome fable, that thread had a number of people who were not convinced SA killed her.

Right after the "news" conference, there was a huge shift to "Villagers With Torches Lit" on that thread. It's a spectacular and breathtaking view of how anyone could be set up, to be viewed as a monster if that's what LE wants out there.

If I have learned anything from being a member here, it is to never believe I am getting the whole true story from the press. Ever.

The original Teresa Halbach missing thread is worth reading again imo:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...anitowoc-31-Oct-2005&highlight=Teresa+halbach

Sadly, the people who were fooled by Kratz's 'news' conference had no idea the so-called confession was coerced and the 'facts' were supplied to the suspect by the interrogators themselves.