Man Shot HIMSELF While Handcuffed?

[Kimberlyd125]

Police have released a video in which an officer dramatizes how someone could shoot themselves while in the back of a police car. The officer was the same height and build as Carter, police said.
They also have released the interview room video of a witness who said police were standing outside the car when a shot was fired.

http://fox2now.com/2012/08/21/arkansas-medical-examiner-rules-death-of-handcuffed-suspect-a-suicide/

 

[mysterygirl]

Oh wow. Both witnesses are black so race won't be a factor there!

After knowing about the suspect getting out of the car, being uncuffed the first time and witnesses saying that the cops were both outside when he shot himself............I have to think that this guy really did shoot himself.

High on meth, stranger things have happened.

This is why jumping to conclusions serves no one............

 

[tlcya]

Jesse Jackson to visit Jonesboro for Carter case

http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2012/aug/21/jesse-jackson-visit-jonesboro-carter-case/


:waiting:

It's about to get REAL interesting.

The FBI is investigating. What does JJ think he will accomplish???

JMO

this frustrates me. I could understand if this were being swept under the rug and folks felt a need to call attention to that, but this is being investigated on a federal level so I am confused by JJ's need to insert himself. I have my own opinions about what motivates such moves. :shakehead:

Just as in the Trayvon Martin case, I want things thoroughly investigated. That is occurring in both these cases and I see no need for folks such as JJ and AS, etc to come running out of the woodwork to hitch a ride on the story and get face time.

Sorry for rant.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

this frustrates me. I could understand if this were being swept under the rug and folks felt a need to call attention to that, but this is being investigated on a federal level so I am confused by JJ's need to insert himself. I have my own opinions about what motivates such moves. :shakehead:

Just as in the Trayvon Martin case, I want things thoroughly investigated. That is occurring in both these cases and I see no need for folks such as JJ and AS, etc to come running out of the woodwork to hitch a ride on the story and get face time.

Sorry for rant.

I totally agree.

Great post/rant.

 

[jjenny]

"(CBS/AP) LITTLE ROCK, Ark. -The girlfriend of a man who was fatally shot in the back of an Arkansas patrol car told an investigator that he called her from the car and said he had a gun with him, police said Wednesday."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...e-say-ark-police/?tag=cbsnewsSectionContent.5

 

[Kimberlyd125]

So you have 2 witnesses that saw the whole thing, and a girlfriend that says he told her he had a gun in the car.


Looks like the investigation may be proving LE's version of events.

JMO

 

[Kimberlyd125]

From your link jjenny:

Police spokesman Sgt. Lyle Waterworth said the department is still investigating Carter's death. Waterworth said evidence and witness statements support the medical examiner's conclusion that Carter killed himself.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Also released were details from Carter's cell phone. Police say text messages on Carter's phone show he had stolen the gun in question from a woman or individual in Jonesboro. Police say other text messages show he had the gun on him to bring to another individual, Brandon Renald Baker. Baker is currently in the Greene County Jail on aggravated burglary charges, and admitted to police on Tuesday that he did request the gun from Carter.

http://m.kait8.com/autojuice?target...arkansas-crime-lab-didnt-perform-residue-test

***there is TONS of info in this article. I didn't have time to read it all but will later.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

CORR is still calling for Cheif Yates' resignation.
Even after all the details are coming out. Makes me wonder what their real agenda is.

JMO


http://m.kait8.com/autojuice?target...arkansas-crime-lab-didnt-perform-residue-test

 

[Kimberlyd125]

In a four-page release issued late Wednesday afternoon, the Jonesboro Police Department said it has blood evidence, text messages and witness statements to support its conclusion that Chavis Carter, 21, committed suicide July 28 even though he was handcuffed.





Though Jesse Jackson, who traveled to Jonesboro Wednesday afternoon, had said at Monumental Baptist Church in Memphis Wednesday morning that police provided a "Houdini" explanation of how a left-handed man could raise his handcuffed arms to his right temple and shoot himself, the department contended that "high velocity blood spatter was present on Carter's right hand." The department's statement said the blood spatter indicated Carter's hand was in "very proximity" to the contact wound.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/new...ys-case-of-man-who-died-in-in-in/?partner=RSS

 

[MayraMM]

A cheap gun, hands cuffed; I can see how he could have accidentally shot himself as he was trying to manipulate the gun. There are a couple of issues, tho. Being left handed, if his intention was suicide, why did he shoot from the right. If it was accidental, what was he trying to do with the gun? Maybe he hid it the first time around, then after being searched, cuffed and put back in the car, he figured he was safe to hide the gun on his person again, or maybe he was trying to hide it better. Which then brings up why he did any of that at all. I thought by now everyone knew about dashcams in police cars.

To me, tho, the real question is why did he hide the gun and not the weed?

 

[jjenny]

Who knows why he did allegedly these things. It isn't necessarily rational.
They did find meth and other drugs in his system after all.

 

[elfie]

I hope it was an accident, and not a suicide. Not really the worst circumstances worthy of taking his own life. I think blood spatter evidence would vindicate the officers at the scene. Too bad the pathologist didn't collect the powder evidence, though.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I'm thinking suicide. Maybe due to the out of state warrant.

Either way, I think it's clear that is was a suicide or an accident by Mr. Carter. Not a homicide by the LE officers.

So the "no justice no peace" marches and the call for the police chief to step down are way off key IMO.

Even if they had tested Chavis' hands, it would not prove anything except he was close to the gun. Not if he pulled the trigger.

(I read that in one of the articles linked upthread)

 

[sweetheart29]

I am left handed but shoot with my right. The reason for that is most rifles are for right handed people and if I shoot with left the shells are eject out on my arm hot shells will burn you. So I learned to shoot right had so when I shootmy pistols I shoot right handed. As fOr why he hid the gun and the not pot is easy pot is a misdemeanor and stolen gun is a felony. But why did he shoot himself? Who knows.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2012/sep/04/police-expect-suit-chavis-carter-death/?news-arkansas

Police expect suit in Chavis Carter death




http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-08-28/chavis-carter-shooting-investigation/57374966/1

Ark. officer in squad car shooting back on duty

An Arkansas police officer who twice frisked a man who authorities say subsequently shot himself to death while handcuffed in a patrol car has returned to active duty but must undergo more training and face an official reprimand.

Benjamin Irwin, a Memphis, Tenn., lawyer representing Carter's family said he found it troubling that Marsh was returning to work so soon.

The internal investigation found no wrongdoing on the part of the other officer, Keith Baggett, Yates said.

Statements from eyewitnesses, text messages and video and physical evidence established that Baggett didn't violate any policy or procedure, Yates said.

"Based upon these facts and circumstances I made the decision to return them to active duty status," Yates said in an email.

Police said an investigation into Carter's death and drug-trafficking associated with the case is ongoing. The FBI has said it is monitoring the case.

 

[tlcya]

Given the rather incredible circumstances of this shooting I am glad it was investigated thoroughly.

While it is still a very unusual and unlikely set of circumstances in my mind, I do feel more comfortable with believing this man did indeed shoot himself, either purposefully or accidentally.

I do feel the investigation was necessary though, simply because the circumstances of this young man's death were so very unusual.