Manorville Butcher ** ONLY **

[LikeAHunter]

I did incorrectly state she went missing from DC. What i mean was her last known address was in D.C.

And Valerie Mack was last seen in NJ but was from Philly. Could be that the killer travels along the east coast, or it could be that the sex workers travel the coast. But either way, to your original question, remains of JT and VM were both found in Manorville (locations of remains in same general area) and off the Parkway. And they were dismembered in remarkably similar ways.

 

[Soulmagent]

And Valerie Mack was last seen in NJ but was from Philly. Could be that the killer travels along the east coast, or it could be that the sex workers travel the coast. But either way, to your original question, remains of JT and VM were both found in Manorville (locations of remains in same general area) and off the Parkway. And they were dismembered in remarkably similar ways.

Just be be fair ,I just heard about Valerie today.

 

[Soulmagent]

And Valerie Mack was last seen in NJ but was from Philly. Could be that the killer travels along the east coast, or it could be that the sex workers travel the coast. But either way, to your original question, remains of JT and VM were both found in Manorville (locations of remains in same general area) and off the Parkway. And they were dismembered in remarkably similar ways.

I am kinda embarrassed right now. Plus stunned.

 

[LikeAHunter]

I am kinda embarrassed right now. Plus stunned.

No need to be embarrassed! This case has dragged on for so long with very little official info released—and very little actual investigation for years—that it’s easy to lose track.

 

[LR1]

This is the thing that nags at me. There is NO WAY Bittrolff killed three sex workers in three months back in the 90s—dubbed The Left Shoe Murders—and then just stopped. SKs don’t work that way. And even if you want to argue that he was going through a very, very long cooling off period, I still wouldn’t buy it because those three victims were killed with RAGE. Someone who holds that much rage doesn’t just get it out of his system in his 20s with three murders in three months and then wash his hands of all that rage and bloodlust.

I’ve always heavily leaned toward Bittrolff as The Manorville Butcher. And I went back and forth for a while over whether LISK and The Manorville Butcher were one and the same, but as time goes on and little pieces of new info come to light, I think we actually do have one killer. (But I could change my mind on that again!)

I’ve really had it with SCPD (I know, we all have) and I can’t understand why they won’t go into more detail about Bittrolff. Is he still a top suspect? Has he been ruled out for ANY of the LISK or MB murders (being out of town or whatever)? Is there anything at all that doesn’t line up and makes him unlikely to be LISK and/or MB?

Seriously… SK Bittrolff is discovered a couple years after the LISK case blows up, he lives in the same town where the torsos of JT and VM were found (within 10 years of his Left Shoe Murders), and yet we’re left in the dark as to whether or not LE is even exploring a possible connection.

Furthermore, and now I’m really complicating things, it seems to me like there could be some similarities between the way the victims of Bittrolff’s Left Shoe Murders were found and the way the victims of The Eastbound Strangler were found. But I suppose that’s a thought for another thread…

I think you can count on them having explored the possible connections. I'm actually of the opinion that his identity and apprehension was brought about by the logical investigative path one would take a few years into this case and fresh out of leads. Their subsequent silence in the matter leaves open the possibility that he could be responsible for much more than he's been convicted of. The exception of course is Biancavilla's statements given to reporters after sentencing some four years ago. I'm thinking in his position he'd be somewhat tuned in to the state of the investigation at that point in time. They tell us things but perhaps things can also be gleamed from what's not being said. Finding no evidentiary connection is not a rule out, he was a serial killer targeting similar victims in the same area after all. The partial remains showing up on ocean parkway a couple years after his three linked victims is of note. So along with the similar victim and location aspect you might also have a similar timeframe. The uncertainty lies with the size of population and the proclivity of murdered sex workers in these last decades.

 

[Soulmagent]

No need to be embarrassed! This case has dragged on for so long with very little official info released—and very little actual investigation for years—that it’s easy to lose track.

I am kinda shell shocked, in a familiar way. I think the icky feeling is embarrassment .I pray .

 

[LikeAHunter]

I think you can count on them having explored the possible connections. I'm actually of the opinion that his identity and apprehension was brought about by the logical investigative path one would take a few years into this case and fresh out of leads. Their subsequent silence in the matter leaves open the possibility that he could be responsible for much more than he's been convicted of. The exception of course is Biancavilla's statements given to reporters after sentencing some four years ago. I'm thinking in his position he'd be somewhat tuned in to the state of the investigation at that point in time. They tell us things but perhaps things can also be gleamed from what's not being said. Finding no evidentiary connection is not a rule out, he was a serial killer targeting similar victims in the same area after all. The partial remains showing up on ocean parkway a couple years after his three linked victims is of note. So along with the similar victim and location aspect you might also have a similar timeframe. The uncertainty lies with the size of population and the proclivity of murdered sex workers in these last decades.

I’m pretty sure he was discovered because his brother’s DNA was run through the normal channels after an arrest, and came back as a partial match to the DNA found with the victims.

And I would HOPE they thoroughly investigated him at that point, but I don’t trust anything the SCPD or SCDA does or says… especially at that time. That’s what drives me crazy. If you can rule him out on certain victims then tell us. If you can’t rule him out, then tell us. I know LE needs to hold back certain info, but I can’t see how announcing that he’s been ruled out—or not—could compromise the investigation. But maybe I’m just missing something…

 

[LR1]

I’m pretty sure he was discovered because his brother’s DNA was run through the normal channels after an arrest, and came back as a partial match to the DNA found with the victims.

And I would HOPE they thoroughly investigated him at that point, but I don’t trust anything the SCPD or SCDA does or says… especially at that time. That’s what drives me crazy. If you can rule him out on certain victims then tell us. If you can’t rule him out, then tell us. I know LE needs to hold back certain info, but I can’t see how announcing that he’s been ruled out—or not—could compromise the investigation. But maybe I’m just missing something…

Yeah obviously it wouldn't have happened without the brother being made to submit a sample but I don't think these databases spit out partial matches as a routine. It takes some intuitiveness and will from LE and the crime lab and being NY no doubt lawyers as well.

It's not only LE being hush hush about him the media is also showing little interest in his possible involvement. I've not seen one question regarding him in the few interviews the commissioner granted during her stint at SCPD. We still have little to no info on the comings and goings of the guy during the time of these murders. It makes me think he was sort of laying low with few people in his social orbit.

 

[PillowofWinds]

https://home.iape.org/features/head...estruction-of-evidence-in-bittrolff-case.html

Then suspected officer still on the County payroll
MURPHY, MICHAEL LIEUTENANT (POLICE) POLICE $191,674.00 base $35,194.00 overtime $280,187.00 total 02/13/1989 start...that was in 2020.