Marauding pit bulls attack six - 10 year old boy, Critical

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  • #201
IdahoMom said:
Ahem- an update on the kids...

http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-pitbull10.html

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A McHenry County girl mauled by pit bulls continued her recovery Wednesday, while the 10-year-old boy attacked by the dogs remained in critical condition, hospital officials said.

Jourdan Lamarre, 10, was upgraded from fair to good condition, officials at Advocate Lutheran General Hospital said.

She was one of two children attacked last weekend by three pit bulls near northwest suburban Cary.

Her friend, 10-year-old Nick Foley, is still in critical condition, hospital officials said. Despite her continuing recovery, it's not clear when Jourdan may be released from the hospital, a spokeswoman there said.
A Ticket!!!! His dogs practically kills 2 kids, and had to be shot and they can't decide if he should only get a ticket!!!??? Give me a break!

"Authorities have said there's no evidence of prior problems involving the dogs. No decision has been made yet on possibly ticketing Sword for letting the dogs outside unleashed, McHenry County State's Attorney Louis Bianchi said."
 
  • #202
SadieMae said:
A Ticket!!!! His dogs practically kills 2 kids, and had to be shot and they can't decide if he should only get a ticket!!!??? Give me a break!

"Authorities have said there's no evidence of prior problems involving the dogs. No decision has been made yet on possibly ticketing Sword for letting the dogs outside unleashed, McHenry County State's Attorney Louis Bianchi said."
It doesn't matter if he had a prior dog problem , this guy deserves to be charged with attempted manslaughter or assault with a deadly weapon at minimum!!!:behindbar :behindbar :behindbar
 
  • #203
Casshew said:
News coverage is much more reliable than anything you say. :hand:

kgeaux ~ you are obviously an aware and responsible pet owner :blowkiss:

Cass, I hate to say it, but with your comment here with a blowkiss blows everything you've said!!!! JMO :D, but oh so true!!!!!!

Sorry Cass, but I'm calling you OUT....

ETA: you've spoken so strongly against the dogs, but when a poster who you know posts they have a pit, you say you're glad they are responsible, and aren't saying the dog should be destroyed...please explain!!!!!! You obviously are not against the dogs as your posts state........
 
  • #204
it always strikes me as so strange (and predictable) the way PB defenders blame the "evil lying media" for defaming the good name of the sweet, innocent pit bull. hey folks, it's not some underground "conspiracy theory"... i think enough people have seen or known about mauling cases THAT HAVE BEEN CLOSE ENOUGH TO HOME and happened to SOMEONE THEY KNOW... to know the truth. so,, quit trying to deny the truth!

(but to the responsible people who love their PB's but take precautions, thanks for at least not being in denial about it & making an effort to make sure those around you are safe!)
 
  • #205
so... i guess all the pro-PB folks are going to say the media "lied"-- and it wasn't REALLY a pit bull..... LOL.
 
  • #206
http://www.wlky.com/news/3243296/detail.html

Once the girl was transported to Kosair, doctors there told the sheriff that child's hair and scalp had to be found and delivered or she would die. Shoffer said he had to cut the dog's stomach open to find the scalp, which was then rushed to the hospital, WLKY reported.

Family members told WLKY that the doctors reattached the majority of the scalp, but added that the girl still might face more surgeries.
 
  • #207
Casshew said:
News coverage is much more reliable than anything you say. :hand:
Wow Casshew, this is a low blow. I'm not sure how personal attacks support your argument?
You've got to give some credit to culytone in that he has pretty much taken on this whole forum by himself. Whether you support one side or the other you at least have to admit that he makes a good argument and that I hope that there are more pit bull owners out there like him....responsible and informed.
 
  • #208
SadieMae said:
A Ticket!!!! His dogs practically kills 2 kids, and had to be shot and they can't decide if he should only get a ticket!!!??? Give me a break!

"Authorities have said there's no evidence of prior problems involving the dogs. No decision has been made yet on possibly ticketing Sword for letting the dogs outside unleashed, McHenry County State's Attorney Louis Bianchi said."
Wow, just a ticket...that is crazy! I really aggree that people need to be much more responsible for their actions than this?!?!? Wow!
 
  • #209
Wow, this discussion has really gone on and on.....
Overall, from my experience as a Child Protection Investigator for a very large city, I think there are much bigger things to worry about as far as protecting our children go....lets talk about those things instead: chemical dependency, mental health, poverty!
If anyone has any solutions to combat the things above....let me know!:truce:
 
  • #210
Hugh said:
After several of these attacks the UK goverment outlawed the owning of these dogs under the Dangerous Dogs Act. Any dogs found are destroyed and the owners fined or imprisoned. I think they are magnificent physical specimens but they are bred to fight and therefore although I can admire them they should not really be around in this day and age.
I't amazing how many horrible people are owning these dogs (and these are the owners that make the news---keep in mind that we won't be hearing about the good ones!)
Just look at animal precint on Animal Planet, most specifically the Detroit and NY ones. These dogs definitley represent the largest population of abuse and neglect. I really wish we had more of a law nationally that would set harsher penalties for irresponsible owners. (Of ANY dog breed! I've had my fair share of mishaps with other breeds.)

I personally know and would bet that there are many good owners of pit bull type dogs out there though. I wish we could hear more about them. And don't get me wrong, this news report is HORRIFIC! I just honestly wonder since we hear about these horrible stories all of the time, that there has got to be some good ones too, right?
 
  • #211
Sassygerl said:
Cass, I hate to say it, but with your comment here with a blowkiss blows everything you've said!!!! JMO :D, but oh so true!!!!!!

Sorry Cass, but I'm calling you OUT....

ETA: you've spoken so strongly against the dogs, but when a poster who you know posts they have a pit, you say you're glad they are responsible, and aren't saying the dog should be destroyed...please explain!!!!!! You obviously are not against the dogs as your posts state........


I think Cass's position is clear. She would like there to be no pits, but if someone has one, she's happy that they are responsible. She's just being sweet to me.

Sassy,I do think there is a reason why the American Veternairy Association and other large groups that work with dogs on a daily basis refuse to condemn pit bulls. My own city/parish council recently tried to ban pit bulls from the parish, but when they did research on the matter they were astounded to find: 1) pits were not responsible for the larger number of maulings or deaths, ever, in any given year. Other large breeds bounced that "honor" back and forth. 2)the number of attacks per capita--the number of pits who attack compared to the number of pits in the USA is extremely small. Extremely. Almost all other large breeds attack more often than pits do. and 3) the research done by veteranary groups did not back up the perception the public has that pits are dangerous just because of their breed.

The city parish council had to recind its plan, because they would have had to ban ALL dangerous breeds, and that was basically a list containing all large breeds. I think the only big dog not on the list was the greyhound!

Now, I'm not crazy. (believe it or not!) I know that pits do attack and that they are such strong and persistant dogs that they are not easily stopped and the attacks often end in disfigurement or death. I also know that for every pit that attacks, there are over a million more who are living peaceful, submissive, obedient lives. A lot of research was forced on me when my son rescued the little pup he brought home. I started off terrified, cuz I knew that little bundle would grow to be strong and BIG. But the research I did was calming and encouraging. And my doggie has proven the research true.

BTW, pits were not "inbred" to produce dogs that attack PEOPLE. Pits are naturally aggressive toward animals, not toward people. If a dog is consistently aggressive to people, you can bet your booty that he has not been trained. Or that other measures were taken to force him to become aggressive--we know people who do pit bull rescues and you would not believe the abuse that is done to these animals to try to make them aggressive. This ignorant backasswards part of the country is still having problems with idiots fighting their dogs, so I've seen alot of hurt dogs that have been fed iron filings, blood, that are given massive doses of steroids--I've seen enough evidence of animal abuse to last a lifetime.

A good rule to keep in mind when buying any large dog is to know your breeder. In breeding is DANGEROUS in any breed, even yorkies!
 
  • #212
forthekids said:
I't amazing how many horrible people are owning these dogs (and these are the owners that make the news---keep in mind that we won't be hearing about the good ones!)
Just look at animal precint on Animal Planet, most specifically the Detroit and NY ones. These dogs definitley represent the largest population of abuse and neglect. I really wish we had more of a law nationally that would set harsher penalties for irresponsible owners. (Of ANY dog breed! I've had my fair share of mishaps with other breeds.)

I personally know and would bet that there are many good owners of pit bull type dogs out there though. I wish we could hear more about them. And don't get me wrong, this news report is HORRIFIC! I just honestly wonder since we hear about these horrible stories all of the time, that there has got to be some good ones too, right?

editing to add: you know why so many horrible people gravitate toward owning pitbulls? because it makes them feel tough and "gansta" Idiots.

There are many good stories. I've read of pits jumping into rushing rivers to pull their little charges out of the water. They can be wonderful dogs.

My great grandparents lived out on a very large farm. We recently discovered an old photo of all the extended family posing out on the front porch and front grounds of the house. Alongside the family is a pitbull. (I never knew!) My grandma remembered that the dog used to come to the door of the kitchen every day right before lunch, and her mom would fix Pop's lunch in a pail, give it to the dog and the dog would run out into the fields and deliver the lunch to Pop. After lunch, he'd bring the pail back to the house so it could be washed! What a smart dog!
 
  • #213
SadieMae said:
I don't care who wants to own a pit bull, that's their decision. But if a neighbor of mine gets one, I'll be first to tell them to check to make sure they have plenty of insurance, and if their dog ever got loose and attacked anyone in my family or my dogs, I won't wait for the police to shoot it. I've already had that experience of my dogs being attacked by a pit bull. .
I think that is perfectly reasonable. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I have been bitten by a wiredhair fox terrier. I don't have anything against the breed, or other dogs of the breed, just the one that bit me. However, I would never get one, and that negative association will always be there for me so you won't see me rushing to pet one.

SadieMae said:
Curly, you are probably a responsible owner and you have researched and know the breed. I don't know anything about the breed other than what I read or have heard about them, all negative. I personally don't know anyone who owns one at the moment. I'd say, and correct me if I'm wrong, the majority of owners know nothing about the breed or how to properly train it. All they know is they have a pit and they probably got it from some backyard breeder or puppymill. I think the only way to save the breed is selective breeding of the least aggressive dogs only. It will take time for sure. In researching the history of the Great Dane, they at one time had a pretty bad rap for being vicious attack dogs. The aggressive behavior was bred out of them, and as cruel as it sounds, puppies showing aggressiveness were destroyed. It was posted that pits were nannies to babies a long time ago. I believe that, but poor breeding has created a dog people don't trust and fear.
I am not in a position to know if it is a majority, but that would not suprise me. That is what I have been driving at, the problem is a disproportionate number of bad owners versus other breeds. It would only take a 100-200, maybe less, really bad owners nationwide to generate 99% of all the bad stories that you hear; I am sure there are way more bad owners than that. I appreciate that you are considering alternatives to an all out ban.
 
  • #214
SadieMae said:
A Ticket!!!! His dogs practically kills 2 kids, and had to be shot and they can't decide if he should only get a ticket!!!??? Give me a break!

"Authorities have said there's no evidence of prior problems involving the dogs. No decision has been made yet on possibly ticketing Sword for letting the dogs outside unleashed, McHenry County State's Attorney Louis Bianchi said."
Personally, I think that he should go to jail.
 
  • #215
LinasK said:
No, I understand the issue completely!
Case proven! Pit Bulls are an unacceptable risk to society IMO! And no, I don't think drug dealers will decide to go get Presa Canarios to have around, but they sure won't be getting Golden Retrievers!!!
Good, so we agree that they wouldn't get Golden Retrievers. What kind of dogs do you think that they would get?

Maybe not a drug dealer, but why wouldn't someone who runs a dog fighting ring get Presa Canarios? People here have acknowledged that there are all kinds of backyard pit bull breeding operations now. So now jump to a time when pit bulls are very hard to come by (after a ban). Dogs are very prolific. They reach reproductive age in less than 1 year, they have litters, not just single puppies. They can have more than one litter per year. Dog fighters don't seem to have a problem with inbreeding. The numbers will increase exponentially in a matter of a few years. So, if one person applies some of their dog fight winnings to buy a male and a female Presa Canario (or whatever breed they choose), the whole cycle starts over. The end result will be thousands of aggressive Presa Canarios, some will kill people. The media will report all about every incident and so on and on and on. The problem is that the cause of the whole problem is still there, making thousands of dollars by exploiting the dogs and destroying the reputation of whatever breed is accessible and willing to fight other dogs. We can't forget that criminals are good at what they do and if there is money to be made, it will be.
 
  • #216
By posting pictures, you are doing exactly what the media does: evoking a rection based not on logic and facts, but emotions from individual incidents. I am not in denial. Pit bull attacks can be horrible. The pictures are horrible. I fully acknowledge that pit bulls can attack people; that pit bulls kill people.

As I have stated, The average number of dog related deaths every year is 17. Pit bulls have been, on average, responsible for 2.5 of those. Where are the stories, the articles and the pictures about the other 14.5 killings each year? You are seeing only what the media wants you to see. People have accused me of only seeing what I want to see, which is not true. Even if it were, it is better than seeing what the media has decided you should see: the cases when a pit bull is responsible.
 
  • #217
Outlawing pit bulls isn't the answer. Street thugs will simply move onto a different breed and there are plenty of big dogs with lots of fighting potential.

Tougher sentences for dog fighting and animal abuse is needed.
 
  • #218
Linda7NJ said:
Outlawing pit bulls isn't the answer. Street thugs will simply move onto a different breed and there are plenty of big dogs with lots of fighting potential.

Tougher sentences for dog fighting and animal abuse is needed.


Yes, they definately would. However, only pits will go after a target to the death (of the pit) if necessary. They don't back down no matter what. No other breed does this, which is why the pit is so popular for that purpose.
 
  • #219
forthekids said:
Wow Casshew, this is a low blow. I'm not sure how personal attacks support your argument?
You've got to give some credit to culytone in that he has pretty much taken on this whole forum by himself. Whether you support one side or the other you at least have to admit that he makes a good argument and that I hope that there are more pit bull owners out there like him....responsible and informed.
Low blow? :confused: Personal attack?!:confused: Cass can consider news coverage more reliable than a pitbull owner's- I think that is HER judgement to make.

It is curlytone's prerogative to take on the whole world if he/she wants...that doesn't make him/her 100% right! (Note the use of 100%!)
 
  • #220
forthekids said:
Wow Casshew, this is a low blow. I'm not sure how personal attacks support your argument?
You've got to give some credit to culytone in that he has pretty much taken on this whole forum by himself. Whether you support one side or the other you at least have to admit that he makes a good argument and that I hope that there are more pit bull owners out there like him....responsible and informed.
forthekids... curly is a name on an internet message board - the news media is the news media, responsible for what they print. I am posting article after article - mainstream news.

Hence, the articles are more reliable than what cury is posting IMO

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Sassy, I want the breed banned world wide, but Kgeaux is the best case scenario - did you read her post? she trusts her dog with her life but NOT anyone elses - she controls who can be near and never lets situations of danger arise because she recognizes her breed could snap.
A commited person like that deserves a blowkiss. :blowkiss:

and heres one for you too :blowkiss:
 
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