Maricopa Jane Doe Thread #7

[SassyAnne]

anything is possible, I am going try due to the fact that I am not in a position to do much of anything else. this girl deserves a name.

 

[phenolred]

I'll have more time to work on this once my daughter goes back to school on Monday. I've had some personal things come up and will be spending now through the weekend moving in with family.

Phenol, have you made positive contact to be sure it's the right guy? I don't want to end up annoying somebody who really has nothing to do with this case (especially when they're a complete stranger).

I havent made contact myself BUT the police report indicates the name of the car lot and it is the same as this one so IM SURE it is him what are the chances there is a man working there with the same 1st and last name of the man that worked there in 99...so its GOT to be him I found a local number as well
Sky Harbor Auto Sales

2246 E van Buren St
Phoenix, AZ 85006

(602) 244-2424

Business Type:
Automobiles, New and Used

 

[ArizonaGiGi]

The reporter just called me to do a short phone interview.
She asked me
1) How I found Websleuths. Told her about local missing man and that I had done an internet search of his name, Michael Tapley, and that WS popped up.
2) She asked me what types of things I do on or for WS cases. I told her that I am fairly new (April 08) and only keep up with four threads, MJD being one of them.
3) She asked me what about MJD got me interested in the case. I told her that since MJD was in AZ, my state, I was interested in the case, but that MJD herself caught my heart because she is a pretty, young and innocent looking girl and that I have 3 girls near her age so felt a connection.

That's about all and she said she was calling others. And, I'm a terrible sleuther - no I didn't ask her when the story would be out. I hadn't had my coffee yet, sorry :crazy: I'm just hoping that I didn't sound like a complete idiot.

 

[SassyAnne]

Hi ya all! I know that the possibility of MJD being foreign has been explored. some of you have even thought that she could be Russian. What if her family HAD lived in the U.s. and they were illegals and deported? I wonder if there is way to get info on deportation cases. we could do follow ups and see if any of them had made missing person reports in their country and in ours? what do ya all think?

 

[lorelei]

Hi ya all! I know that the possibility of MJD being foreign has been explored. some of you have even thought that she could be Russian. What if her family HAD lived in the U.s. and they were illegals and deported? I wonder if there is way to get info on deportation cases. we could do follow ups and see if any of them had made missing person reports in their country and in ours? what do ya all think?

I am not sure that immigration records are available to the public, its usually considered private information for the most part. I will look it up though and see what the rules are on deportation records. I think that it would be worse than trying to find a needle in a haystack though, since there are so many people deported each year and we don't have any idea where MJD is from (in US or possibly overseas). I'll try to figure out if those records are public though.

 

[SassyAnne]

long shot, but hey, when my brain gets to popping with questions, my fingers start walking. lol Ty Lorelei

 

[lorelei]

long shot, but hey, when my brain gets to popping with questions, my fingers start walking. lol Ty Lorelei

I'm the same way I think I did try to look up missing persons sites for other countries but didnt have much luck. It seemed like either countries didn't have the sites or I couldn't find them/read them due to not knowing the language.

I tried to figure out about the deportation records but I had sort of a hard time finding the info explained very clearly. It looks like maybe we'd have to file Freedom of Information Act requests for individual named people. I am not completely sure but I don't think that they give out lists with names of everyone, its either general statistics (ie # deported to X country type of stuff) or you need to have a certain person in mind I think.

 

[SassyAnne]

I found an ask a lawyer website, so I am hoping that they can give me info on deportation laws. I have always had an overactive imagination and can ask some bazaar questions. lol. thanks for not telling me to shut up. lol. have a good night lorelei

 

[phenolred]

someone responded to my request for contact info for Robin Angers. They listed name alias's addreses and phone #'s I dont know if it is actually her but it might be worth a try.....here is a link to the info

http://www.city-data.com/forum/people-search/400556-looking-robin-angers-lived-phoenix-arizona.html

 

[SassyAnne]

Can anyone get me list of missing ppl databases please? I just finally got a look at MJD's tattoo. It does look like a butterfly and it most definitely could be covering another tat. I was wondering about the making of that tat. If it had been professional, it could have narrowed MJD's age. I am 30yr. old and up till two years ago ppl thought that I was still 16 or 17. I am so thankful that I have my mom's genes, but it really rots when my friends think that she is my sister and hits on her. Lorelei did you find anything on deportation laws? I have hit nothing but dead ends. I will try calling the INS and the FBI on immigration laws on monday.

 

[believe09]

Can anyone get me list of missing ppl databases please? I just finally got a look at MJD's tattoo. It does look like a butterfly and it most definitely could be covering another tat. I was wondering about the making of that tat. If it had been professional, it could have narrowed MJD's age. I am 30yr. old and up till two years ago ppl thought that I was still 16 or 17. I am so thankful that I have my mom's genes, but it really rots when my friends think that she is my sister and hits on her. Lorelei did you find anything on deportation laws? I have hit nothing but dead ends. I will try calling the INS and the FBI on immigration laws on monday.

This should get you started: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31441

 

[SassyAnne]

thanks believe09

 

[lorelei]

Can anyone get me list of missing ppl databases please? I just finally got a look at MJD's tattoo. It does look like a butterfly and it most definitely could be covering another tat. I was wondering about the making of that tat. If it had been professional, it could have narrowed MJD's age. I am 30yr. old and up till two years ago ppl thought that I was still 16 or 17. I am so thankful that I have my mom's genes, but it really rots when my friends think that she is my sister and hits on her. Lorelei did you find anything on deportation laws? I have hit nothing but dead ends. I will try calling the INS and the FBI on immigration laws on monday.

I'm still a bit confused:crazy:. Basically we could access the records but we'd need individual names and personal info on the people to get their records. USCIS has a form to fill out to get records- I think it would be this one.
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.5af9bb95919f35e66f614176543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=6f2a4154d7b3d010VgnVCM10000048f3d6a1RCRD&vgnextchannel=db029c7755cb9010VgnVCM10000045f3d6a1RCRD
The link to download the form is at the very very bottom of that page- form G-639. If you look at it, you are supposed to fill out the persons full name, DOB, alien registration number, etc. I think that all we would be able to access without permission from the individual would be deportation records because those are public- all/most other immigration records are private and require a signature of consent from that person for us to see their records. Even though the deportation records are public I don't think they are released without filling out a person-specific request like this form.

In terms of MJDs age- they did look at her X rays to determine her age. When people are younger they have growth plates at the end of the bones that are a softer tissue, new bone forms from those plates when you're growing. Once you're past like 18-20ish those plates have completely stopped growing new bone and solidify into the ends of the long bones. I'd guess since the x rays showed her to be 13-15, she must have had those plates still for sure and she couldn't be any older than possibly late teens.
I can't help much on the tattoo though sorry, I am terribly scared of needles so have a hard time looking at tattoos for long & don't know much about them lol.

ETA- I think those plates are called epiphyseal plates, they mention that an ME looked at MJDs xrays in the ME report, I think its one of the last pages of the report.

 

[believe09]

I'm still a bit confused:crazy:. Basically we could access the records but we'd need individual names and personal info on the people to get their records. USCIS has a form to fill out to get records- I think it would be this one.
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.5af9bb95919f35e66f614176543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=6f2a4154d7b3d010VgnVCM10000048f3d6a1RCRD&vgnextchannel=db029c7755cb9010VgnVCM10000045f3d6a1RCRD
The link to download the form is at the very very bottom of that page- form G-639. If you look at it, you are supposed to fill out the persons full name, DOB, alien registration number, etc. I think that all we would be able to access without permission from the individual would be deportation records because those are public- all/most other immigration records are private and require a signature of consent from that person for us to see their records. Even though the deportation records are public I don't think they are released without filling out a person-specific request like this form.

In terms of MJDs age- they did look at her X rays to determine her age. When people are younger they have growth plates at the end of the bones that are a softer tissue, new bone forms from those plates when you're growing. Once you're past like 18-20ish those plates have completely stopped growing new bone and solidify into the ends of the long bones. I'd guess since the x rays showed her to be 13-15, she must have had those plates still for sure and she couldn't be any older than possibly late teens.
I can't help much on the tattoo though sorry, I am terribly scared of needles so have a hard time looking at tattoos for long & don't know much about them lol.

ETA- I think those plates are called epiphyseal plates, they mention that an ME looked at MJDs xrays in the ME report, I think its one of the last pages of the report.

You got it in terms of what was used to narrow her age...poor baby.

 

[believe09]

thanks believe09

You are welcome! We love fresh eyes here-this is where you will learn that there is no central data base for missing/uid's and it is everyone's best guess and circumstances that cause them to list on one site vs another....

 

[believe09]

Our girl has been uploaded to the DOJ initiative database for UID's which will run against NamUs in 2009. I found her dentals on the data base and they are distinctive: https://identifyus.org/?p=case&i=53&🤬🤬🤬=10&s=DateFound_DESC&from=search She has fillings and 4 impacted wisdom teeth...this has to narrow down our field!!!

 

[Zanko]

With the Medical Examiner's most recent update of those compared and "ruled out as a match". I've updated my photo comparisons. Here are the links. There are five pages. Most have been ruled "not a match". If you have anyone you'd like me to add as a consideration, PM me her name.

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z99/Zanko123/MECompareMJD1.jpg
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z99/Zanko123/MECompareMJD2.jpg
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z99/Zanko123/MECompareMJD3.jpg
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z99/Zanko123/MECompareMJD4.jpg
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z99/Zanko123/MECompareMJD5.jpg

 

[lorelei]

Our girl has been uploaded to the DOJ initiative database for UID's which will run against NamUs in 2009. I found her dentals on the data base and they are distinctive: https://identifyus.org/?p=case&i=53&🤬🤬🤬=10&s=DateFound_DESC&from=search She has fillings and 4 impacted wisdom teeth...this has to narrow down our field!!!

Thanks, that definitely could be helpful! Do you have any idea what those comments mean on the dental thing- all the teeth with fillings have little comments of the lette/rs O, L, D, or M. It looks like O may mean 'other features' but from th/e key I can't see what the other letters mean? Anybody understand dental charts?

ETA- what is NamUs? I have seen this UDRS website before recently, but have never heard of NamUs.

Edited Again-- I looked it up I guess I just couldnt' remember the name,I'd def. seen it before. Here is the link in case others hadn't heard of it
http://www.namus.gov/

 

[Zanko]

From the first thread about Maricopa Jane Doe, posted originally by KT CAN post number: 313

Quote:
Regarding her dental chart:

N = no fillings or restorations
#1,16,17,32 = impacted wisdom tooth
#3 = occlusal filling (top of tooth)
#13 = not sure what they mean by NO, tooth could be missing
#14 = occlusal lingual filling (top & side of tooth facing tounge); FO stands for filling and ???
#18 = mesial occlusal filling (top & front of tooth between teeth)
#19 = occlusal distal filling (top & back of tooth between teeth)
#30 = occlusal filling (top of tooth); FO stands for filling and ???

total of 5 fillings, 4 wisdom teeth
End Quote

 

[VASHLEY88]

From the first thread about Maricopa Jane Doe, posted originally by KT CAN post number: 313

Quote:
Regarding her dental chart:

N = no fillings or restorations
#1,16,17,32 = impacted wisdom tooth
#3 = occlusal filling (top of tooth)
#13 = not sure what they mean by NO, tooth could be missing
#14 = occlusal lingual filling (top & side of tooth facing tounge); FO stands for filling and ???
#18 = mesial occlusal filling (top & front of tooth between teeth)
#19 = occlusal distal filling (top & back of tooth between teeth)
#30 = occlusal filling (top of tooth); FO stands for filling and ???

total of 5 fillings, 4 wisdom teeth
End Quote

That namUS page has been up for a while, hasn't it? I had researched her dental work some time ago from that page. She had quite a bit of dental work. I heard/read somewhere that F,O on dental charts stood for a filling that had partially fallen off or was not sealed properly, from eating too many sticky candies or something. I don't know how accurate that is, but I'm pretty sure it has something to do with a cavity/filling.