marijuana-depersonalization

[Jetaime]

Bookworm474, I want you to know that I am not making light of your post... because every idea & new thread is relevant (IMHO), but ABSOLUTELY not. I know many, many marijuana smokers who are functioning, hard working, tax paying, law abiding citizens (other than leisure marijuana use)who ADORE their children. I have experimented with marijuana in my teenage years, but personally I never liked it. I can tell you that the less than handful of times I've smoked it- I was still able to legitimately mourn the loss of my childhood dog (Chow), cry about being 'caught' with red eyes by my step father etc. Marijuana may make you feel high/funny but no..... it can NOT make you depersonalize or forget about your deceased baby. J.M.O.

 

[Padua]

No. She would be too busy killing a bag of doritos and a sack of Oreos.

 

[bookworm474]

I'm in my 60's and came up during the era when a whole lotta, lotta people smoked pot regularly. I still know some who still do!

I've never seen the depersonalization effect you mention. But I haven't studied the subject or anything like that. Has there been a study done on this? If so, could you please provide a link - I'd like to read it.

On the other hand, I have a friend who was diagnosed with schizophrenia when he was in his early 20's. He was hospitalized, began meds, and did very well on them. Once in a while after that he would start to get "hinky" - usually getting paranoid was one of the first signs - and when I'd ask him if he was off his meds or what, he'd say he had been smoking pot lately.

Eventually, he discussed this with his shrink, who told him to knock off the pot. The doc told him it wasn't good for his condition.

Other than that, it seemed to have a fairly benign effect on the people I knew.

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Evidently some research is out there. Individuals are individuals when it comes to substances. The thing is... seems she started hanging with a different group and that stuff was around. So I am just wondering because I heard Dr..McGRaw on CNN say that she would have had to have been is a pretty DETACHED state to do what everyone thinks she did. So from detached I looked around about drug effects for SOME people and ran into the depersonalization comments at WIKI.

Casey drover her self to a very low level and she relied on her habits, lying, stealing and avoiding accountability. But, she was trying to fit into a different group at the same time wanting to break ties with her comfort Zone
so I wonder why.

Her body wasn't ready for any drugs I suspect and may be she didn't get to into that but for a short time. With a weak mind it could have been a factor. Just will never know. I guess I'd ask this. Would a mentally ill, or bi-polar, or fantasy driven female improve by smoking a drug she was not use to. She could have some schizophrenia characteristics and the drug would have made it worse. I do think most of her 'Reasons' were psychological, but suspect there was a new variable. Could have just been TL. Casey lacks common sense. So many false beliefs.

http://www.drugabuse.gov/infofacts/marijuana.html
Chronic marijuana use, especially in a very young person, may also be a marker of risk for mental illnesses - including addiction - stemming from genetic or environmental vulnerabilities, such as early exposure to stress or violence. Currently, the strongest evidence links marijuana use and schizophrenia and/or related disorders.4 High doses of marijuana can produce an acute psychotic reaction; in addition, use of the drug may trigger the onset or relapse of schizophrenia in vulnerable individuals.

 

[princesspjs]

Please remember that not everything is "fact" just because it is in print.

I think that is how Sally K somehow slid into this whole drama and was deemed an "expert" in grieving.

I still haven't found anything about her past achievements that has made her an expert at anything. I think that allowing her to testify as an expert without anyone looking at her "credentials" was a very big mistake. If someone had checked them, they would have found that none exist.

This trial has made me realize just how easy it is for information to come into a DP trial that is supposedly deemed "expert opinion" that is nothing more than opinion. In this case, it probably worked in the defense's favor that she looked, sounded and acted like a kook so no one on the jury will probably give her much merit to begin with.

What is scary to me is to realize that testimony like that, given by someone who earned her degrees 40+ years ago, without having done any research of their own, in addition to the fact that this woman didn't even interview ICA, never asked about the facts in this case AND she hadn't even reviewed the many months worth of video footage of ICA that she could have watched before taking the stand - if this happened in a different case (where it wasn't so clear as to who was responsible for the murder), it actually could send an innocent person into a DP sentence!

 

[princesspjs]

Oh yeah....we were talking about weed. I don't think that has anything to do with what is wrong with ICA.

She is just evil because that is what she is.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

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I guess I'd ask this. Would a mentally ill, or bi-polar, or fantasy driven female improve by smoking a drug she was not use to. She could have some schizophrenia characteristics and the drug would have made it worse. I do think most of her 'Reasons' were psychological, but suspect there was a new variable. Could have just been TL. Casey lacks common sense. So many false beliefs.

Respectfully snipped and I do apologize if I am misinterpreting your words as I find them a bit difficult to follow..

but if you are saying that Casey is mentally ill, bipolar, fantasy driven, or schizophrenic, so smoking marijuana when she was not used to it might have made symptoms of any of the above worse..

I must ask, where is the evidence/testimony that she was any of these things?

 

[Sharai]

No. She would be too busy killing a bag of doritos and a sack of Oreos.

Yeah, man............

 

[katydid23]

I do not think she could have juggled all of those lies successfully if she was smoking much weed. It really affects the short term memory and concentration. I think she was around others who were smoking pot, but did not smoke that much herself. imoo

 

[Sharai]

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Evidently some research is out there. Individuals are individuals when it comes to substances. The thing is... seems she started hanging with a different group and that stuff was around. So I am just wondering because I heard Dr..McGRaw on CNN say that she would have had to have been is a pretty DETACHED state to do what everyone thinks she did. So from detached I looked around about drug effects for SOME people and ran into the depersonalization comments at WIKI.

Casey drover her self to a very low level and she relied on her habits, lying, stealing and avoiding accountability. But, she was trying to fit into a different group at the same time wanting to break ties with her comfort Zone
so I wonder why.

Her body wasn't ready for any drugs I suspect and may be she didn't get to into that but for a short time. With a weak mind it could have been a factor. Just will never know. I guess I'd ask this. Would a mentally ill, or bi-polar, or fantasy driven female improve by smoking a drug she was not use to. She could have some schizophrenia characteristics and the drug would have made it worse. I do think most of her 'Reasons' were psychological, but suspect there was a new variable. Could have just been TL. Casey lacks common sense. So many false beliefs.

http://www.drugabuse.gov/infofacts/marijuana.html
Chronic marijuana use, especially in a very young person, may also be a marker of risk for mental illnesses - including addiction - stemming from genetic or environmental vulnerabilities, such as early exposure to stress or violence. Currently, the strongest evidence links marijuana use and schizophrenia and/or related disorders.4 High doses of marijuana can produce an acute psychotic reaction; in addition, use of the drug may trigger the onset or relapse of schizophrenia in vulnerable individuals.

Aside from what Dr. McGraw (who is that?) stated about her having to be detached, what about KC's behavior causes you to think she was detached? In my opinion KC's behavior is more in line with cluster B personality disorders, anti-social, borderline, histrionic, and narcissistic. Her behavior is very self centered, she presents with an attitude of superiority, she chronically lies, and so forth. I think she has no ability to understand how another human being might feel and/or respond to anything she might do or say. Nah, I have to humbly disagree with you, I don't think smoking or injesting marijuana got KC into the deep jam she is in today.

 

[katydid23]

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Evidently some research is out there. Individuals are individuals when it comes to substances. The thing is... seems she started hanging with a different group and that stuff was around. So I am just wondering because I heard Dr..McGRaw on CNN say that she would have had to have been is a pretty DETACHED state to do what everyone thinks she did. So from detached I looked around about drug effects for SOME people and ran into the depersonalization comments at WIKI.

Casey drover her self to a very low level and she relied on her habits, lying, stealing and avoiding accountability. But, she was trying to fit into a different group at the same time wanting to break ties with her comfort Zone
so I wonder why.

Her body wasn't ready for any drugs I suspect and may be she didn't get to into that but for a short time. With a weak mind it could have been a factor. Just will never know. I guess I'd ask this. Would a mentally ill, or bi-polar, or fantasy driven female improve by smoking a drug she was not use to. She could have some schizophrenia characteristics and the drug would have made it worse. I do think most of her 'Reasons' were psychological, but suspect there was a new variable. Could have just been TL. Casey lacks common sense. So many false beliefs.

http://www.drugabuse.gov/infofacts/marijuana.html
Chronic marijuana use, especially in a very young person, may also be a marker of risk for mental illnesses - including addiction - stemming from genetic or environmental vulnerabilities, such as early exposure to stress or violence. Currently, the strongest evidence links marijuana use and schizophrenia and/or related disorders.4 High doses of marijuana can produce an acute psychotic reaction; in addition, use of the drug may trigger the onset or relapse of schizophrenia in vulnerable individuals.

I think you may have a point there. I grew up in the 60's in the Berkeley California area so have been around and smoked my share. Usually pot did not affect any of my friends that badly other than munchies and laziness.

HOWEVER I do remember one of my good friends had a really bad reaction the first and only time she tried pot. We were about 14 and she did not take too many hits at all---but within an hour she was in a panic and having an anxiety attack and crying that she could not feel her legs. We were all shocked because it was just regular old Mexican bud, nothing mixed with it.

We were sharing the same joint, just barely buzzed and she was acting like she was having an acid trip or something. It took hours for her to come down. Years later when I went to my 5 yr reunion I found out that this friend had been diagnosed w/schizophrenia in college. [ That was the label back then, don't know what it would be called now.]

ETA: I do not know what, if anything Casey would be diagnosed with. But I do believe she does have some mental health issues of some kind.

 

[MsFacetious]

Schizophrenia is still Schizophrenia today.

Dr McGraw would be Dr Phil McGraw... the TV show?? Not a practicing Dr, but still a TV Dr.

Without going into details, I"ll just say that in my 53 years I've had lots of experience with folks using this. Never heard of what you're asserting. Perhaps it is true, but in my personal experience, never have I seen any such thing.

Now who were you again? What were we talking about?

Ditto.

I have MS and know several people who use Marijuana. (I am not one of them, though Montel Williams is.)

They are more "personalized" and "empathetic" than I am.

They can keep their facts, stories and information FAR FAR straighter than I can.

It actually improves their brain fog.

One ran out the other day for a day and said "I don't understand, why people don't believe it helps... my bain frog really does improve with the marijuana!" :floorlaugh:

Their motivation increases while they are using it. Cleaning the house, washing the car, working longer, being MUCH nicer...

All of the above could be because it assists them with their symptoms... so they feel much better... but there definitely isn't a group of effects that applies to everyone who smoke pot.


Just like I can take 3 Benadryl and not even be tired... my husband can't even stay awake after one and he's twice my size.

Any substance effects people differently. One reason I am terrified of all of them.

To be entirely honest, I think Casey would have been calmer and MORE able to deal with Caylee if she had been using marijuana regularly. If she really needed it for pain or something and then ran out that might be ugly. But I don't even think she really used that regularly.

Now ecstasy I could be completely talked into the idea of her using that... simply because I have seen indications of it. I have seen pictures of her with a lollipop (ecstasy?), making out with people while everyone else is drinking. I have never seen a picture of her with a pipe or joint...