Mark Smich: Innocent Dupe? Alternative Theories

[Alethea Dice]

So, did DM have a black GMC truck?

Not that anyone's been able to determine.

I can see MS going along with vehicle thefts but petty criminals typically don't turn into serial murderers do they? :thinking: MOO.

Typically, yes, gang bangers do often end up killing someone eventually.

JMO

 

[MsSherlock]

Not that anyone's been able to determine.



Typically, yes, gang bangers do often end up killing someone eventually.

JMO

AD, FWIW, I have never seen any reference to MS being a "gang banger". MS did graffiti, but has it been officially linked to a gang?

 

[Juballee]

AD, FWIW, I have never seen any reference to MS being a "gang banger". MS did graffiti, but has it been officially linked to a gang?

In my opinion, their are only two types of graffiti; that done by street artists meant to improve the landscape with some art and/or beauty, and that done by egotistical brats who want to mark their territory with spray paint the same way that animals mark their territory by peeing on everything, and they do not care if ruins the landscape for others.

Even if his graffiti was not established enough to tie it officially to a gang, wasn't it determined in a blog that the connection between DM and MWJ was that MWJ hung out at MS's house regularly enough to be (social media comment-worthy) friends with MS's sister? Wouldn't that be MS's gang connection?

And now that I think about it that way, and we're on the thread of MS being a dupe, I would think that it would be more likely that the one who would have been able to dupe or pressure MS into committing a truck theft and murder would have been his pal MWJ.


Here's my scenario for this thread: MS is a fairly regular guy, he smokes a little pot, gets into a little trouble here and there but nothing too serious. He is friends with a guy he gets his drugs from, even though the guy is a total gangster, shaved head, face tattoos and everything. He probably thinks that it makes him a bit of a badass to hang out with such a tough gangster, and he probably tries to impress the gangster by telling him about how he is also friends with a rich guy who has vehicles and planes and properties and all kinds of crazy tools and machines that most people have never even heard of, like a portable incinerator even! He is building a huge hanger that is currently empty and even knows a girl who went missing.

The gangster likes what he hears and hatches a plan whereby he will give MS a gun and a plan on how to jack a vehicle the next time that they go out car shopping together, with the instructions that if anything goes wrong, to kill the owner and dispose of the body in the incinerator, no doubt the suspicion would fall on the guy with the missing friend, especially when MS was instructed to leave all the evidence at DM properties. I would guess that he forgot to give instructions on how to scatter the ashes after so that LE could not find them. Then I imagine that TB's truck would be too hot for the gangster to drive yet, so he could have easily gave orders to MS to stick the truck in one of those trailers he told him about, and to stick it at another property. And if DM gives you any trouble, show him the gun and remind him that you know where his mother lives and how to make people disappear.

I guess in my scenario, MS is more pressured than duped, but I think in real life, more people do stupid things because of pressure rather than by being tricked into things, like in a sitcom or something.

All of this is my opinion only.

 

[SnooperDuper]

AD, FWIW, I have never seen any reference to MS being a "gang banger". MS did graffiti, but has it been officially linked to a gang?

He was hanging with minstrels. Maybe MWJ is more of a circus clown and a bouncer than a gangster.

 

[MsSherlock]

And if DM gives you any trouble, show him the gun and remind him that you know where his mother lives and how to make people disappear.

IMHO, since MWJ is charged with trafficking a gun to DM, which happened to be used in the death of WM, resulting in a murder charge that DM is flying solo on, I don't think MS had the gun...do you have a link to show MS has been charged with possession of a firearm or that MWJ is charged with selling him one. IIRC, DM was the only one with a gun. MOO
I don't think you can ever underestimate the complete lack of motivation by a heavy pot smoker. IMHO, it's almost laughable to think that MS was some mastermind that arranged and/or carried out an elaborate plot to frame DM.

 

[bessie]

I'd like to interrupt for a moment to give kudos to all of you for your logical and thoughtful arguments from all angles. It's been awhile since I've read a discussion in this case that held my interest (and didn't give me a headache).

:thumb:

 

[Alethea Dice]

IMHO, since MWJ is charged with trafficking a gun to DM, which happened to be used in the death of WM, resulting in a murder charge that DM is flying solo on, I don't think MS had the gun...do you have a link to show MS has been charged with possession of a firearm or that MWJ is charged with selling him one. IIRC, DM was the only one with a gun. MOO
I don't think you can ever underestimate the complete lack of motivation by a heavy pot smoker. IMHO, it's almost laughable to think that MS was some mastermind that arranged and/or carried out an elaborate plot to frame DM.

I'm sure MWJ had more than one gun to sell. JMO

Where did you hear that MS is a "heavy pot smoker"? Not that it has anything to do with his preferences, but his drug charges were for cocaine and magic mushrooms. TIA

 

[Alethea Dice]

AD, FWIW, I have never seen any reference to MS being a "gang banger". MS did graffiti, but has it been officially linked to a gang?

His good friend MWJ claims to have ties to the Nortenos, who are affiliated with the Nuestra Familia. Coincidentally, the Nuestra Familia call their recruits, who are responsible for raising money, wolfpacks.

http://www.insideprison.com/nuestra-familia-prison-gang.asp

And, yes, they are in Canada. (Sorry, I couldn't find an allowable link for Ontario.)

http://www.timescolonist.com/news/local/stolen-items-found-in-raid-of-victoria-home-two-arrested-1.984181

http://highlands.bc.ca/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Item/1095?fileID=2025

 

[MsSherlock]

His good friend MWJ claims to have ties to the Nortenos, who are affiliated with the Nuestra Familia. Coincidentally, the Nuestra Familia call their recruits, who are responsible for raising money, wolfpacks.

http://www.insideprison.com/nuestra-familia-prison-gang.asp

And, yes, they are in Canada. (Sorry, I couldn't find an allowable link for Ontario.)

http://www.timescolonist.com/news/local/stolen-items-found-in-raid-of-victoria-home-two-arrested-1.984181

http://highlands.bc.ca/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Item/1095?fileID=2025

Alethia, IMO, MWJ's ties to the Norteno's has never been verified but simply greatly assumed on various crime forums. Perhaps it's simply part of the rap culture MWJ was involved with- thus the tattoo's, instagram comments etc. But that's MWJ, not MS. As per MS's charges, it's obvious that he was involved in heavier drugs, perhaps he was strung out 24/7- still doesn't mean that he's got a motive or is capable of murdering anyone. All it really shows me is that he may not have been in a good place mentally and probably more vulnerable to DM's whims.

We still have the facts that LE have presented to us. MWJ trafficked a gun to DM, not MS. And if DM had bought that gun for MS why wouldn't DM, being the outstanding citizen that he is, co-operate with LE right from the get go? NO, DM didn't. He waited until LE busted MWJ and friends to experience another murder charge or two. I can't imagine that DM would be buying a gun for MS. Seems to me that MS would be able to make the acquisition on his own if he ever had the need. I still think MS was a very unsophisticated, unmotivated druggie who was quite content with his stoner life and the perfect scapegoat for someone who had discovered that he could get away with murder. MOO

 

[matou]

“It’s absolutely shocking,” said Fred James, Mr. Smich’s next-door neighbour. “We thought it might be a petty-crime thing, but never something like this. It’s awful to hear that he’s been charged with this horrendous crime.”
.......snip......
Mr. James said he would often see Mr. Smich sitting on his front porch with a group of men in their mid-to-late twenties, but he didn’t see them cause any harm. He just noticed “the occasional smell of marijuana.” Mr. James and neighbours said they had seen police called to the house on previous occasions.

I wonder if DM was one of the fellas hanging with him on his porch?

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ith-murder-in-tim-bosma-case/article12066002/

 

[matou]

Is Smich such a mess that he would murder a young woman and then a few months later spray graffiti on an overpass with a friend and get busted? Does he save his major crimes for Dellen and his petty bs crimes for his lower-class friends? JMO

http://www.insidehalton.com/news-story/2904155-adults-arrested-for-overpass-graffiti/

 

[Kamille]

According to AB, MWJ and DM hung out on occasion without MS around. Now what could DM have in common with a gangsta like MWJ?

And finally, one last piece of information about how Matthew Ward-Jackson is connected to Dellen Millard. Friends of Iish and Mark Smich tell me that Iish often hung at Smich’s place. They were on good enough terms that Iish would even comment on one of Smich’s sister’s Instagram accounts and interacted on Facebook with Smich’s BFF, Cora. Iish also knew Dellen Millard, who hung out Chez Smich from time to time as well. So, that’s the connection.

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/tag/matthew-ward-jackson

 

[Kamille]

Does anyone actually believe that MS was the driving force behind acquiring a Dodge Ram 3500 truck? Does he seem like the type that would need or want such a vehicle? Did he have any large trailers to tow? Was he part of the Baja crowd? Did he have an interest in cars or trucks at all?

Did he purchase the burner phone that made the contacts to Dodge Ram owners to arrange for test drives? Did he make the calls and set up the appointments? Why would DM be the driver on these test drives if MS was the one interested in the vehicle? Can't remember but who did SB say was doing all the talking in her driveway? And who was representing himself as the interested party to the "guy that got away" the day before? Why wouldn't DM offer MS his on staff mechanic to go on a test drive with him?

So are we to believe that DM said to MS, "I need parts for my Ram so I'm going to steal one and kill the owner, you in?" And MS said "Sure, sounds like fun." Or was it more like, "I need parts for my Ram so I'm going to car jack one. I need you to drive my vehicle once I get on the test drive and steal the truck."?

MOO

 

[MsSherlock]

Does anyone actually believe that MS was the driving force behind acquiring a Dodge Ram 3500 truck? Does he seem like the type that would need or want such a vehicle? Did he have any large trailers to tow? Was he part of the Baja crowd? Did he have an interest in cars or trucks at all?

Did he purchase the burner phone that made the contacts to Dodge Ram owners to arrange for test drives? Did he make the calls and set up the appointments? Why would DM be the driver on these test drives if MS was the one interested in the vehicle? Can't remember but who did SB say was doing all the talking in her driveway? And who was representing himself as the interested party to the "guy that got away" the day before? Why wouldn't DM offer MS his on staff mechanic to go on a test drive with him?

So are we to believe that DM said to MS, "I need parts for my Ram so I'm going to steal one and kill the owner, you in?" And MS said "Sure, sounds like fun." Or was it more like, "I need parts for my Ram so I'm going to car jack one. I need you to drive my vehicle once I get on the test drive and steal the truck."?

MOO

Same questions I have Kamille. IMHO, MS is looking more like the innocent dupe who was just dumb enough and strung out enough to be of use to DM, the master manipulator and planner. "If" in fact, MS was the sole occupant of the Yukon, all we know is that it was following closely behind TB's truck when it left TB's place. No mention of the Yukon in the Brantford siting of TB's truck.

Earlier on Friday, police announced they had found Bosma's cellphone in an industrial area of Brantford. They also reported that Bosma's truck had been seen in downtown Brantford on Monday night.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamil...e-arrest-in-tim-bosma-investigation-1.1323654

Downtown Brantford would mean that whoever was driving TB's truck took a strange route to get back to the Cambridge area. The 403 would have been a much more practical route. IMHO, there's a possibility that the Yukon took the 403 to the Oaks Rest truck area (where TB's cell phone was eventually found) to wait to match up with the person driving TB's truck, that was simply suppose to be stolen- but now there was a dead truck owner. MOO

At that point, IMHO, DM may have had a freaking out auto theft accomplice and the perfect scapegoat. MS had a mark on his face when he was arrested- guess there's even the possibility that things got physical between DM & MS. MOO

 

[MsSherlock]

And, on thinking about my previous comment, it definitely makes more sense that if MS was the one driving the Yukon, that DM may have been able to instruct him to get on the 403 west and get off at the Rest Oaks Acre exit. That would have been easier. MS by all accounts is a City boy, unfamiliar with Ancaster and Cambridge areas. DM on the other hand was familiar with both and the chances of MS screwing things up would be minimal. Also- if by chance MS got pulled over on the 403, DM would have been nowhere in sight. The CCTV at Trinity and 53 would provide the evidence for that one. Turn left to Brantford- go straight to the 403. MOO

 

[MsSherlock]

I'm also curious about MS's famous music video. MWJ's video's all fall into line with MWJ's persona. The girls, the money, the fame and glory of being a famous rapper- MS's video? Was he just sitting around one day, stoned out of his mind and came up with the brilliant idea that he should star in a slasher flick? Or that he should even make that sort of investment in his future? Curious to see how he got connected up with the producer. Amazing that it was just sitting up there on youtube when it was time for us to find out who MS was. MOO

 

[matou]

I think it's very curious that Smich is starring in a video with him as a bloody killer (likely connection between Jaydolo and MWJ somehow) and then is charged with killing two people he has no connections to. Maybe someone saw that video and thought: he is the perfect scapegoat if ever I need to get rid of Laura. I will start hangin' with him and help him out by giving him a place to stay, etc. JMO

I'm also curious about MS's famous music video. MWJ's video's all fall into line with MWJ's persona. The girls, the money, the fame and glory of being a famous rapper- MS's video? Was he just sitting around one day, stoned out of his mind and came up with the brilliant idea that he should star in a slasher flick? Or that he should even make that sort of investment in his future? Curious to see how he got connected up with the producer. Amazing that it was just sitting up there on youtube when it was time for us to find out who MS was. MOO

 

[cansleuther]

MS had a mark on his face when he was arrested- guess there's even the possibility that things got physical between DM & MS. MOO

MS doesn't have any marks on his face in the pictures of his sister's wedding on May 19 - DM was already arrested and in jail at that point.

 

[MsSherlock]

MS doesn't have any marks on his face in the pictures of his sister's wedding on May 19 - DM was already arrested and in jail at that point.

Thanks Cansleuther- then it's a good possibility that they were "take down" markings. MOO

 

[cansleuther]

I'm also curious about MS's famous music video. MWJ's video's all fall into line with MWJ's persona. The girls, the money, the fame and glory of being a famous rapper- MS's video? Was he just sitting around one day, stoned out of his mind and came up with the brilliant idea that he should star in a slasher flick? Or that he should even make that sort of investment in his future? Curious to see how he got connected up with the producer. Amazing that it was just sitting up there on youtube when it was time for us to find out who MS was. MOO

Apparently MS is very close friends with the producer.

A woman who called the Toronto Sun claiming to be JayDolo’s mother said Smich is “like a brother” to her son, JayDolo the rapper, and referred to Smich as being like family.

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/23/tim-bosma-case-what-we-know-about-accused-mark-smich