Massapequa connection to LISK

[OnTheCase27]

Or is "do they HOPE, she has encountered ..." the operative term here? Because just picking up the sex offender list doesn't look like they have any new information, rather, they ran out of leads and try with the basic standard now, they should have employed like two years ago.

Your right after this long they probably have so little information they are just hoping now.

 

[Peter Brendt]

Your right after this long they probably have so little information they are just hoping now.

However, on a second thought, if we could find out, which sex offenders they showed to KO, we could try and profile what police thinks. Theory says, we can ignore what they cover, at least in high priority, and can concentrate on what they don't cover. Unless of course, we would have an impression of inherit incompetence of the SCPD and wouldn't trust anything, they try to cover.

 

[nugzter]

However, on a second thought, if we could find out, which sex offenders they showed to KO, we could try and profile what police thinks. Theory says, we can ignore what they cover, at least in high priority, and can concentrate on what they don't cover. Unless of course, we would have an impression of inherit incompetence of the SCPD and wouldn't trust anything, they try to cover.

My point exactly. I went through literaly hundreds of sex offenders from the surrounding counties. ONLY the VIOLENT sex offenders that were not in jail during the GB4 timeframe. Using the map function and severity of the crimes, I was able to narrow the list from 60 some-odd "suspects" to now a top 20. Some real bad and "possible" serial criminals. If we use some mathamatics, based soley on the NY Sex offender Regestry. And strat to narrow it down to real possabilities,at least we have come as far as LE. As far as KO's questioning is concerned, we should be on the same path. Maybe thinking INSIDE the box is not a bad option. Sorry for my spelling and grammer. Sunday is the start of my weekend, a few brews, and my wife is asleep, so my lighting is bad...excuses, excuses... It is an avenue worth looking into.

 

[Peter Brendt]

My point exactly. I went through literaly hundreds of sex offenders from the surrounding counties. ONLY the VIOLENT sex offenders that were not in jail during the GB4 timeframe. Using the map function and severity of the crimes, I was able to narrow the list from 60 some-odd "suspects" to now a top 20. Some real bad and "possible" serial criminals. If we use some mathamatics, based soley on the NY Sex offender Regestry. And strat to narrow it down to real possabilities,at least we have come as far as LE. As far as KO's questioning is concerned, we should be on the same path. Maybe thinking INSIDE the box is not a bad option. Sorry for my spelling and grammer. Sunday is the start of my weekend, a few brews, and my wife is asleep, so my lighting is bad...excuses, excuses... It is an avenue worth looking into.

Well, it would more likely be the NYC sex offender registry and the first sex attacks/attempted attacks would be rather somewhere around 1995. But then, if you get me the list, I can take a look whether something rings a bell. Just pm, since the names are not in msnbc.

 

[To Kill a Mockingbird]

If I remember correctly from one of the 48 Hrs shows, Ko said thay had worked together at least when her sister started out. I also recall KO mentioned something to the effect she was gonna try to lure the killer to her through advertisments. Don't quote me on that. It has been a few months since I last watched the videos.

KO stopped that. she went into therapy - for the guilt of her sister
a) getting into prostitution from KO's...influence
b) for the drugs
c) for the stress

 

[Peter Brendt]

KO stopped that. she went into therapy - for the guilt of her sister
a) getting into prostitution from KO's...influence
b) for the drugs
c) for the stress

Well, that's a good thing. I hate to imagine, what would happen if she actually would find that guy without having some good backup.

 

[Justiceforever]

KO stopped that. she went into therapy - for the guilt of her sister
a) getting into prostitution from KO's...influence
b) for the drugs
c) for the stress

I am so happy to hear that. When I look back, I shudder at the risks involved in that business. Best wishes to KO.

 

[hawkshaw]

About 2 years before Gilgo happened I was retained by a SCPD detective to get the dirt on a young woman he said he was involved with. She was a prostitute working out of the same Holiday Inn Express where at least 2 Gilgo girls were connected to. I was supposed to go there and make a 'date' with her. I was to record the transaction and he was to use it in a civil action she was allegedly bringing against him. He also said he was anticipating a criminal action in another state. He had Backpage photos of her which clearly indicated she was engaged in prostitution. He was able to tell me how I was to make the date and what steps I would have to take to get up to the room.

The method he contacted me was totally legit and credible, but it would have to be that way if there was any chance of getting me to go along with it. They call this a "Honey Trap." If I went there and went into the room and the DA/detectives came barging into the room while I was there I could be arrested for soliciting a prostitute and placed on the Sex Registery as a Sex Offendor. Needless to say I didn't bite. Never took a dime from the guy, nor did he offer any compensation for the little work I did on the case for him.

The thing that struck me as weird was when I found out later the Holiday Inn connection.

To this day I don't know if I was being set-up, or if it was legit. I guess the only way I would ever know that was to go make the meet and see if I was arrested. But that would have meant a lot of aggravation and a lot of money, and a spot on a sex registery that is almost impossible to erase no matter how much money you spend.

 

[Theforeigner]

Please stop turning around words in my mouth. She offered domination/bdsm and then as extra keywords the submissive side of the game, for example "naked maid". You have now stalked me over two cases and half a dozen threads and I quickly grow tired of that.

The fact that you apparently perceive beeing rightfully corrected when you repeately post incorrect information, as beeing stalked, I feel sorry for you.

And by the way, you also a cupple of days ago, stated, as if it was a fact, that the person who called Amber Costello several times the day she disappeared, that "he was a regular" .
That is NOT correct Peter, the correct info is that Dave Schaller, after listening to Amber talking to this person that day said somthing veri simelar to " that it sounded as if she knew him". Neither Schaller or anyone else have ever been able to identify who he was OR what previous relation he might have had to Amber, at least not that have been released to the public.
SO unless you have inside info, which the rest of us don't have, your statement that this caller was a regular is misinformation.

The thing you IMO so often do is that you present your perceptions of case information as if they were facts, and that IS indeed a problem, whetwer you like it or not. We need to keep the facts as correct as possible, especially at a forum like this where many people try to work together on the same case.

 

[Peter Brendt]

The fact that you apparently perceive beeing rightfully corrected when you repeately post incorrect information, as beeing stalked, I feel sorry for you.

Yeah, like in the Ridgway threads to bump in when someone said something nice but wrong about me, which wasn't correct but always corrected by me. So you had to pop up and hack on that. But never mind, "righteous" seems to be the operative term here instead of "rightfully" anyway.

And by the way, you also a cupple of days ago, stated, as if it was a fact, that the person who called Amber Costello several times the day she disappeared, that "he was a regular" .
That is NOT correct Peter, the correct info is that Dave Schaller, after listening to Amber talking to this person that day said somthing veri simelar to " that it sounded as if she knew him". Neither Schaller or anyone else have ever been able to identify who he was OR what previous relation he might have had to Amber, at least not that have been released to the public.
[/QUOTE]

So to calm down your "righteous" feelings. DS said, she sounded like she knew him. What is a John, a prostitute knows ... wait, maybe a regular? You play here with words to distract from the complete picture. The same thing you did, when I mentioned, it was not ALC but another victim, who offered domination/bdsm and then, admittedly not for the first time, messed up the MB and MW. Sorry, that's an inevitable effect of all those abbreviation craze. But the fact per se, that it wasn't ALC remains.

SO unless you have inside info, which the rest of us don't have, your statement that this caller was a regular is misinformation.

In other words, you are calling me a liar based on turning around words. That betrays intention. Lets face it, you don't like me, I don't like you. Still, you could try to come back to the realm of reality and we could try to work the case instead of your "righteous" feelings.

The thing you IMO so often do is that you present your perceptions of case information as if they were facts, and that IS indeed a problem, whetwer you like it or not. We need to keep the facts as correct as possible, especially at a forum like this where many people try to work together on the same case.

I always pointed out, that my perceptions are my perceptions, my opinions are my opinions and my deductions are my deductions. So obviously, your rewording of that situation is a regular misinformation with the intent if libel.

 

[mysterymom7]

You are right. this one took place four months after SG went missing and only one month before ALC. It also took place a THREE MINUTE DRIVE from where the bodies were found!

VENDETTA AT THE BEACH
Long Island's Own Goes To The Beach!
A F R E E, 18+ VENDETTA BEACH PARTY!

General Info

date: Saturday, August 28, 2010
time: 09:00 AM to 07:00 PM
where: Robert Moses Parking Field 5
address: Robert Moses State Park Fire Island National Seashore
cost: $10 per carload to park. Otherwise this is a FREE party
dress code: Clothing Optional or Sexy Beach attire
RSVP: RSVP on FetLife (*optional but recommended!)

Description

This is a bring a BYO event:
Bring Your Own Blanket
Bring Your Own Submissive
Bring Your Own Dominant
Bring Your Own Food
Robert Moses is on Fire Island National Seashore. The Beach just east of Parking Field 5 is clothing optional.

Robert Moses State Park
This is NOT in LONG BEACH!!!!!!

One MONTH? No, try 5 days before.

 

[MrsPC]

And here is a party-planner who organizes BDSM parties in both NYC and Bethpage (town that borders Massapequa);

http://vendettaparty.com/

Notice the calendar on their website. They had parties in 2010 on Long Island but then they suddenly STOPPED having parties when the victims were found along Ocean Parkway (last party was March 2011!!!!).

Definition of VENDETTA
1: blood feud
2: an often prolonged series of retaliatory, vengeful, or hostile acts or exchange of such acts <waged a personal vendetta against those who opposed his nomination>

I looked at the WHOIS info on this website and found the owner's name and then crossreferenced his address in Farmingdale NY and he also owns a landscaping/lawn company....

interesting (considering the burlap factor)

 

[CriminalMinds]

I looked at the WHOIS info on this website and found the owner's name and then crossreferenced his address in Farmingdale NY and he also owns a landscaping/lawn company....

interesting (considering the burlap factor)

VERY---as Lt. Kenda says "Well, my, my, my,..."

 

[Redbird]

Now stories of women running down the highway saying they had been raped and tortured by a group of men trying to kill them doesn't sound so crazy, does it? Will have to look into this tomorrow.

 

[ps149]

I looked at the WHOIS info on this website and found the owner's name and then crossreferenced his address in Farmingdale NY and he also owns a landscaping/lawn company....

interesting (considering the burlap factor)

And the family seems to have a landscaping company in Center Moriches too (just South of Manorville).

 

[ps149]

I looked at the WHOIS info on this website and found the owner's name and then crossreferenced his address in Farmingdale NY and he also owns a landscaping/lawn company....

interesting (considering the burlap factor)

Even more interesting...

Look at the street view photography on Google Maps for his home address.

There is a FREEZER TRUCK from a commercial meat distributor parked in front of his house and a conversion van with tinted windows parked in the rear of the house. If you move up the block on Google Maps towards the Deli and look back at the truck with the streetview you can even see that there is a driver in the freezer truck sitting there staring at his house like he is waiting for someone to come out.

 

[Tugela]

It is CRUCIAL that we know whether or not Femdom was offered. Femdom is just one type of BDSM. Can someone repost the specifics from her ad?

Femdom would be an entirely new clue in that it could suggest a different type of suspect.

Once again, simply knowing that she offered BDSM is too generalized.

Speaking of femdom; Question for PETER-

would the person who fits your profile even ever allow a woman to be his dominant partner?

I think that is pretty much the ONLY form offered by regular prostitutes, because anything else is simply too dangerous outside of tightly controlled situations.

 

[Tugela]

So, police are still saying they don't believe Gilbert's death is related to the serial killings...and we've pretty much exhausted our discussions about Gilbert IMO...

So lets get back to the other victims again for a bit.

I've always been intrigued with the Massapequa factor.

Barthelemy's voicemail was checked from somewhere in Massapequa the day the disappeared. She had also been at a motel in Massapequa.

The serial killer's calls to Barthelemy's sister were traced to Manhattan and Massapequa.

I know that surely police checked all Massapequa sex offenders out...but in looking at the list...one surely stands out if you look at his place of employment.

From the New York Sex Offender Registry - these are all the offenders from the Massapequa 11758 zip code

http://www.criminaljustice.ny.gov/S...rue&LastName=&County=&Zip=11758&Submit=Search

and from that list take a closer look at Lorne Kubat

http://www.criminaljustice.ny.gov/SomsSUBDirectory/offenderDetails.jsp?offenderid=20644

He resides in Massapequa but works in Manhattan

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=247+...hnear=247+W+35th+St,+New+York,+10001&t=m&z=15

This is just a few blocks from the Port Authority and its right there at the 34th St Penn Station which is one of the areas the killer's calls were traced to.

Could it be that simple? A registered sex offender?

Kubat is also an ex-cop

http://www.parentsformeganslaw.org/.../LAW_ENFORCEMENT/EX_COP_JAILED_IN_TEEN_SEX_CA

The problem with that is that LISK is totally outside his MO. Just because he is registered as a sex offender does not make him a potential suspect.

His convictions were for sexual interactions with teenagers who were minors. They were girls he knew, the conviction was for third degree rape, which in that context means that it was consensual sex but the girls did not have the legal right to consent. No violence or coercion was involved according to the record.

It is quite a leap to suggest that because of that he could be killing prostitutes and dumping their bodies out in the bush in sacks. If you were going to make a leap like that, you could pretty much include just about every one in the county as a suspect.

It is far more likely that the killer is a regular client of prostitutes, and has been for a long time.

 

[Tugela]

My point exactly. I went through literaly hundreds of sex offenders from the surrounding counties. ONLY the VIOLENT sex offenders that were not in jail during the GB4 timeframe. Using the map function and severity of the crimes, I was able to narrow the list from 60 some-odd "suspects" to now a top 20. Some real bad and "possible" serial criminals. If we use some mathamatics, based soley on the NY Sex offender Regestry. And strat to narrow it down to real possabilities,at least we have come as far as LE. As far as KO's questioning is concerned, we should be on the same path. Maybe thinking INSIDE the box is not a bad option. Sorry for my spelling and grammer. Sunday is the start of my weekend, a few brews, and my wife is asleep, so my lighting is bad...excuses, excuses... It is an avenue worth looking into.

I don't think looking at RSO lists will help much, must likely the murderer does not have much of a record at all, outside of solicitation arrests perhaps.

Sometimes people who commit these sorts of crimes have a record of sexual violence, but mostly they are unknown to LE in that aspect. That is why they get away with with their activities for so long.

 

[OnTheCase27]

Even more interesting...

Look at the street view photography on Google Maps for his home address.

There is a FREEZER TRUCK from a commercial meat distributor parked in front of his house and a conversion van with tinted windows parked in the rear of the house. If you move up the block on Google Maps towards the Deli and look back at the truck with the streetview you can even see that there is a driver in the freezer truck sitting there staring at his house like he is waiting for someone to come out.

I could see the driver but I was unable to tell if he was looking at the house. Some very interesting information here. The Landscaping company has offices in CT, NJ and 4 in NY. All these locations would afford owner/manager the opportunity to visit all the sites and drive in and out of the city frequently.