Max's Death - Dina's Independent Experts Summary Reports

[time]

Ah ... let's just lump 'em all in!

I think they all know full well it will not be reopened. If Dina wanted to solve any mystery about Max's death, then she would try to find out if it was explainable through accident scenarios. I strongly believe that if a panel of experts were brought in, this is exactly what they would conclude.

"I think all of this malarkey is another giant, smoky, expensive, convoluted screen to get the focus off of RZ and the crafty “suicide”. JMHO!"

I definitely think that could be Dina and Nina's goal.

 

[Inparadise]

I think they all know full well it will not be reopened. If Dina wanted to solve any mystery about Max's death, then she would try to find out if it was explainable through accident scenarios. I strongly believe that if a panel of experts were brought in, this is exactly what they would conclude.

"I think all of this malarkey is another giant, smoky, expensive, convoluted screen to get the focus off of RZ and the crafty “suicide”. JMHO!"

I definitely think that could be Dina and Nina's goal.

I still think that there is a civil suit in the works.........what I have been told by some acquaintences that are friends of Dina's is that "she must win at all costs, and she will stop at nothing to prove that she is right", leads me to believe this.

 

[time]

I still think that there is a civil suit in the works.........what I have been told by some acquaintences that are friends of Dina's is that "she must win at all costs, and she will stop at nothing to prove that she is right", leads me to believe this.

Well, I can believe that also. It reminds me that she complained to police that Jonah would destroy HER. Some people are consumed by winning or revenge. And, in this case, Dina knows full well she is a primary suspect in many people's minds... I think that is why she has tried to destroy Rebecca's character in her media blitz.

But this brings me back to what Quester said - I'm not sure a civil case is the intended goal here. It could be part of the bigger plan, but I think the motivation is to make people think she is innocent and others are guilty. In my opinion, that can never be proven of course because it is not true. I also think there is a side benefit from all this - getting attention. Perhaps that feels like power - the power to control the message and the media for a while. To possibly instill fear (although I do not think that happened). The power to dig at others publicly and they are going to broadcast it no matter what the other side says in rebuttal.

 

[time]

Sorry, I really should have posted that in the civil suit thread... but I guess the expert reports report part of some bigger plan (that may be to support a civil case) or ....

 

[Inparadise]

Well, I can believe that also. It reminds me that she complained to police that Jonah would destroy HER. Some people are consumed by winning or revenge. And, in this case, Dina knows full well she is a primary suspect in many people's minds... I think that is why she has tried to destroy Rebecca's character in her media blitz.

But this brings me back to what Quester said - I'm not sure a civil case is the intended goal here. It could be part of the bigger plan, but I think the motivation is to make people think she is innocent and others are guilty. In my opinion, that can never be proven of course because it is not true. I also think there is a side benefit from all this - getting attention. Perhaps that feels like power - the power to control the message and the media for a while. To possibly instill fear (although I do not think that happened). The power to dig at others publicly and they are going to broadcast it no matter what the other side says in rebuttal.

Having a "captive" audience empowers her.........I saw her at the Coronado City Council meeting, and it was like she couldn't get enough. The same was true the evening before where she "held court" for the media in a downtown San Diego hotel.

 

[MyBelle]

I think they all know full well it will not be reopened. If Dina wanted to solve any mystery about Max's death, then she would try to find out if it was explainable through accident scenarios. I strongly believe that if a panel of experts were brought in, this is exactly what they would conclude.

"I think all of this malarkey is another giant, smoky, expensive, convoluted screen to get the focus off of RZ and the crafty “suicide”. JMHO!"

I definitely think that could be Dina and Nina's goal.

Max's case doesn't have to be opened as a homicide for Dina to get to the truth and she's pretty much there.

While you choose not to believe the experts she brought in, she nonetheless has three experts who believe Max's injuries are consistent with assault/child abuse. Any case that has experts believing there is compelling evidence of child abuse must be fully investigated to determine whether others are still at risk.

Dr. Bove has said he would be willing to examine other "accident" scenarios but apparently none have been given to him to examine.

I think Dina's goal is achievable and look forward to seeing Max get the justice he deserves. <modsnip>

JMO

 

[time]

I think a better approach would be to start with the evidence and see what it suggests as far as an accident scenario. Dina could have asked Bove to do this, not prove whatever scenario was given him or see if it is possible.

I don't know what three expert you are talking about - others have asked you the same question.

1. The doctor from Rady's and other there perhaps were operating on a misdiagnosis - there is nothing claiming they still believed that misdiagnosis after the autopsy. I dont' see anything coming from Rady that they support Melinek's theory

2. Dr. Bove clearly says in his report he did not come to any conclusion pertaining to an assault or homicide. To say this or that could have happened does not prove any theory of assault.

3. Melinek agrees - she is the only expert who does and has backtracked on national television

4. Wecht's doesn't agree

5. No one officially investigating Max's death agrees.

Where are you coming up with the 'hideous crime of child abuse'. There is NO evidence of that, period.

 

[MyBelle]

I think a better approach would be to start with the evidence and see what it suggests as far as an accident scenario. Dina could have asked Bove to do this, not prove whatever scenario was given him or see if it is possible.

I don't know what three expert you are talking about - others have asked you the same question.

1. The doctor from Rady's and other there perhaps were operating on a misdiagnosis - there is nothing claiming they still believed that misdiagnosis after the autopsy. I dont' see anything coming from Rady that they support Melinek's theory

2. Dr. Bove clearly says in his report he did not come to any conclusion pertaining to an assault or homicide. To say this or that could have happened does not prove any theory of assault.

3. Melinek agrees - she is the only expert who does and has backtracked on national television

4. Wecht's doesn't agree

5. No one officially investigating Max's death agrees.

Where are you coming up with the 'hideous crime of child abuse'. There is NO evidence of that, period.

I'm more interested in discussing the known facts <modsnip> Dr. Bove did provide a conclusion that the evidence he examined fit with an assault, not an accident.

A child abuse investigation was opened but not completed. There is absolutely no evidence that Max was misdiagnosed at Rady Hospital.

Wecht never investigated Max's death nor has he claimed to do so.

JMO

 

[inthedark14]

I'm more interested in discussing the known facts <modsnip> Dr. Bove did provide a conclusion that the evidence he examined fit with an assault, not an accident.

A child abuse investigation was opened but not completed. There is absolutely no evidence that Max was misdiagnosed at Rady Hospital.

Wecht never investigated Max's death nor has he claimed to do so.

JMO

I know I've said this before, but WHY was the investigation not completed?! Could it be because the investigation was found to be not necessary? I haven't seen anything from MSM or LE stating ANYTHING about a unfinished, incomplete child abuse investigation. I know I keep saying this, but that doesn't make it any less true...even if a suspect/perpetrator is deceased, LE will conduct their investigation and state that the deceased person was the CAUSE of the death of person being investigated. That obviously did not happen in this case.

Always MOO

 

[*Lash*]

A comment made by Dina in her letter to Chief Scanlon in response to COPD's refusal to reopen Max's investigation.

And why, by the way, did Detective Atkins direct CPS not to call me after they were contacted about Max by doctors at Rady Children's Hospital on Thursday, July 14,2011? This instruction to CPS by Detective Adkins is documented.

http://www.maxshacknai.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Dina_Shacknai_Response_To_COPD.pdf

 

[MyBelle]

I know I've said this before, but WHY was the investigation not completed?! Could it be because the investigation was found to be not necessary? I haven't seen anything from MSM or LE stating ANYTHING about a unfinished, incomplete child abuse investigation. I know I keep saying this, but that doesn't make it any less true...even if a suspect/perpetrator is deceased, LE will conduct their investigation and state that the deceased person was the CAUSE of the death of person being investigated. That obviously did not happen in this case.

Always MOO

CPS is a state agency. I don't know that they publicly comment on investigations or announce when they end.

The only investigation I am aware of that wasn't initiated is a homicide investigation into Max's death but a child abuse investigation may very well be ongoing. Other children are part of the household.

JMO

 

[time]

A comment made by Dina in her letter to Chief Scanlon in response to COPD's refusal to reopen Max's investigation.

"And why, by the way, did Detective Atkins direct CPS not to call me after they were contacted about Max by doctors at Rady Children's Hospital on Thursday, July 14,2011? This instruction to CPS by Detective Adkins is documented."

Interesting... perhaps it was because she was under investigation.

 

[MyBelle]

Interesting... perhaps it was because she was under investigation.

More likely it was due to the sensitive nature and confidentiality of the investigation.

JMO

 

[time]

More likely it was due to the sensitive nature and confidentiality of the investigation.

JMO

Well, both of those could be true. I'm not sure it would be so sensitive if Rebecca wasn't murdered. Now, it appears even Jonah was in fear for his life. I wonder why.

And, why is Dina complaining about it if it was the best thing for Max?

 

[MyBelle]

Well, both of those could be true. I'm not sure it would be so sensitive if Rebecca wasn't murdered. Now, it appears even Jonah was in fear for his life. I wonder why.

And, why is Dina complaining about it if it was the best thing for Max?

BBM. You keep referring to a murder that more than a year later remains a closed case of suicide.

I never suggested a child abuse investigation was in any way the best thing for Max. Max was a victim.

JMO

 

[Carioca]

Apologies if this has been answered already, but am curious if any ideas who signed the CPD in Max's name, signature on left, since patient incapable of signing and is also a minor? Looks like maybe "E Gary (or Day) Ro? Says on form First signature: Patient Representative: ed. Relationship/Title: m - TYA!

 

[Nom de plume]

Apologies if this has been answered already, but am curious if any ideas who signed the CPD in Max's name, signature on left, since patient incapable of signing and is also a minor? Looks like maybe "E Gary (or Day) Ro? Says on form First signature: Patient Representative: ed. Relationship/Title: m - TYA!

uh...."dinasour head"...."Doug"?....."Ron"? :waitasec:

Bring on the Rorschach test!

 

[bourne]

Apologies if this has been answered already, but am curious if any ideas who signed the CPD in Max's name, signature on left, since patient incapable of signing and is also a minor? Looks like maybe "E Gary (or Day) Ro? Says on form First signature: Patient Representative: ed. Relationship/Title: m - TYA!

Hi Carioca, what does CPD stand for? Do you know what this is a form for? It says Coronado Fire Department, then it says billing form and ver billing dated 7/1/2004?

It looked like a kid or someone very nervous signed the left patient representative signature. The date on this document is 07/11/2011 at 10:12. Is that am or pm?

If it's 10:12am, then presumably only Rebecca and her sister XZ were present at the Spreckels mansion. So I would think since Max was injured and could not sign the document, that either one of them signed the form. But the "Relationship/Title" is puzzling because "m" is the abbreviation for "mother" in medical forms. And the signatures don't remotely look like Rebecca Nalepa Zahau or XZ.

Do you think one of the Shacknai teens signed it? GS or ES? Definitely does not look like Jonah Shacknai signed it.

If this was at 10:12pm, then I'd say the "m" is the mother Dina Romano. I could see the Ro as being the beginnings of the word "Romano".

But if I had to guess, right off the bat, it looks like EDay Ra or EDoug Ro. lol Don't know what the "m" for relationship/title would mean in this case though.

 

[K_Z]

That's the EMS run report, ending at Coronado Sharp ER.

Max was transported by EMS, with family following. Family wouldn't sign off the EMS run report-- the hospital accepts the patient for admission to ER. When the EMS crew (Colley, Porter, and Orr from appearances) got to the ER, they signed off the patient responsibility to representatives from the ER. That appears to me to be an RN's signature accepting the patient, with Matt Colley witnessing the signature. In essence, officially ending the responsibility of the EMS crew.

It may look a little rushed in the signature-- remember, Max was in a full arrest with CPR in progress to the ER. The EMS report says he regained a pulse shortly after arriving in the ER. So the ER team was accepting a patient (child!) in full arrest-- a hectic time. And typically EMS crews need to be "released" back to service asap-- their priority is to complete paperwork, and clean and restock the rig as soon as possible to be available for new runs.

And in the "form notes" above, it says the first signature is patient representative: ed. (Emergency department)

Anyway, that's how I read it! I could be wrong. I don't know their particular routines, but that's my best impression without seeing more of the records.

 

[K_Z]

Oh, and the timestamp of 10:12 next to the date is when the run began. Not the time the ER signed the form.