Maybe she didn't abandon the car - Gas cans will solve the case.

[magic-cat]

2am and my brain is shutting down.

I can't figure why anyone would leave a purse in an abandoned car, other than for bait.

Delinquent walks by car...sees purse...smashes window...opens trunk...puts squirrels in trunk...

Listed in the items that Lee fetched from Tony's place on the night of July 15th was a BIG PURSE...so she had all of her necessities in THAT purse, because when they got that stuff to the house they dumped it all out and her wallet was right there inside THAT purse. SO the purse in the car was just part of her decoy. There was nothing of value in there I would almost guarantee. THE most valuable item found in that vehicle was MAMA, Caylee's doll that she never went anywhere without...and MAMA's clothes seem to be missing...

 

[Cerenity2u]

But it must of been very early, for she had to have driven from Tony's to GA & CA's place, grabbed some groceries and some clothes and then on her way back, she runs out of gas, all before 7 AM. Then it takes her FOUR hours to ring Tony to come pick her up.

So, could she still have had Caylee's body in the trunk when she ran out of gas unexpectedly? Did she need to suddenly get rid of Caylee's body somewhere, maybe the dumpster? Maybe it took her that long to compose herself before ringing Tony.

I think this is very possible. Maybe she had to leave the area to compose herself, so she went for a long walk away from the dumpster site...would explain why KC was not seen by the manager of Amscot, she only saw the car. I also believe, but not 100% sure, that she text Amy or called Amy during some of these 4 hrs.

 

[magic-cat]

I wonder similar things, like why not drop tony at the airport, head to target, get a gas can, then head for Amy's and say hey I need you to drive Tony's Jeep home, gonna get my car back.

It is just all weird to me.

MAYBE she wanted someone elses fingerprints on the can instead of hers? Someone she could try to "set up"...who better than a friend that you REALLY felt nothing for, or one of 2 ex-bo's who were both still "pining" for you?

 

[magic-cat]

Now that we have the timeline of the car being spotted on the morning of the 27th at 7:00am, that would mean that KC must of left Tony's place very, VERY early that morning to go to wherever she was going for whatever reason. There is still at least a 4 hrs difference from spotting of car and Tony actually picking her up. Now if we could just figure out what she was doing in those 4 hrs, and what was her means of transportation, considering her car was out of gas at Amscot?

Unless Tony is LYING? It could happen...

 

[shadow of my mind]

This is pure speculation based on known dates and statements made by various people.

According to Tony L’s statement on the week of June 22nd with no exact date given, Casey ran out of gas and again on the week of June 28th again not sure of the date but it was the day he picked her up from the Amscot Building Casey ran out of gas again. There was one day he took Casey to HopeSpring Dr to get a gas can but he is not sure of that date either.

That may have been the day that Casey broke into the shed and stole them. Per GA on the police report it was June 21 or the 22 that is must have been broken into but looking at the calendar it most likely was June 20th. The A’s were more apt to be at home during the weekend plus June 20th is a Friday that matches a text or mypsace message about the two Fridays running out of gas.
Casey probably told Tone she ran out of gas but that was her means of ‘buying’ gas. GA makes his report to LE around 10:00Am on June 24th and that same afternoon is when Casey comes back to the house with them in the trunk of car. CA has relayed the gas can theft to Casey in some way. Maybe by text or voice mail.
GA claims he took them out the trunk of Casey’s car and LA says that Casey gave them back to GA with an attitude. The ‘who opened the trunk’ and ‘who took the cans out’ is different but the date is the same. June 24th. If Caylee had not been stored in the trunk but only transported in the trunk there would be a good chance that there would not be any smell at this point. Nothing is mentioned buy GA about the cans being empty but you can bet that was the case.
Casey needed the gas to fuel the car. Either she did not have any money or she did not want to run the risk of having to stop for gas with a body in her trunk.
If Casey transported Caylee in the trunk of the car sometime after the 22nd of June but prior to the 24th of June when she returned the cans there might not have been any smell in the car yet. There may have been something on the cans that if they had been set down in the back yard before being put in the shed that could explain the hits in the yard with the cadaver dogs. During the transport of Caylee’s body fluids must have leaked into the trunk and now after June 24th when bringing them back to GA and June 27th when the car is dumped is when the trunk had started to smell pretty bad.
This is when Casey tells Amy that her ‘Dad must of run over something’ story on the June 27th. Casey is setting up a cover story in case anyone noticed anything amiss plus it also gives her good cover for not driving the car. Casey dumps the car at Amscot before 7:00Am on June 27th based on the statement from the manager at the Amscot building. Casey has Tony pick her up on the same morning but he says it was around 11:00 AM. I question the time. Would not Tony have been in classes at that time. Perhaps it was a wee bit early in the morning than he remembers. The ‘groceries’ are Tyson chicken and Freezer pops Tony Never Says They Are Frozen just that they are in plain looking bags and she had some clothes. He mentions that the bags look like she got them from home. Casey was heading towards Tony’s jeep as he pulled into the parking lot so Tony never got out of his car and was not near it to smell anything.
Somewhere between the June 27th and June 30th Casey must have told Tony that there is a larger problem with her car than just her running out of gas. Otherwise why would she need to be driving Tony’s jeep for a week and tell him her dad took the car to a mechanic or some dealership to be fixed.
Casey continues the dead animal smell with Amy and now and adds the smell is coming from the engine when she mentions it on the 28th of June. Casey then expands the running out of gas routine by mentioning the ‘two Fridays in a row’ and adds the ‘squirrels plastered to the front of the car’ as the now mystery solved about the car smell. She does not tell Amy that anything is wrong with her car.
June 30th Casey shows up at Amy’s door at 9:45 and proceeds to mention needing a gas can. So off to Target they went to buy one. Casey now needed a gas can so she can steel more gas to fuel Tone’s jeep that she is now driving. No mention of Amy taking her anywhere to get gas but Casey has Tony’s jeep so she did not need Amy for transportation that week. Any does notice that Casey is always driving Tony’s jeep. It would not be until Tony returned on July 5 that Casey would need a car and then only for 3 days until July 8th when Amy goes to P. Rico for a week. Casey tells Amy that her car broke down although we don’t know exactly when and asks to borrow hers. Now Casey has a car until Amy returns on July 15th.

What she was planning on doing later about having a car is beyond me.
Maybe and this is just based on other things that we know that Casey has done.
Casey may have driven by the Amscot building and saw the car was gone and figured her plan had worked. Someone stole the car.
She had told Tony she was planning on getting a new car. Maybe she felt that she could claim that the car was stolen and the insurance money would get her a new vehicle. The fact that Casey gave Amy an explanation for the smell meant that somehow Casey figured she would not have to worry about the car anymore or she would not have to worry about the car smelling anymore. Heck Casey may have thought that once the A’s got the car back [if she figured it would be towed] and she waited long enough that CA would come around and everything would go back to the way it was. CA & GA to raise Caylee buy her a new car and Casey could continue with her party girl plans.

I guess Casey never heard of skunks. Now they can put a hurting on a car as far as smell goes and in some cases I have known a few people who have their insurance companies consider them 'a total loss'.

 

[CaptLogic]

Aloha all, been following along and am thinking about her "back up plan" that she said she was stealing for and also the call or was it text to the marine in CA about going to see him to tell him something important, maybe the possibly idling car, purse on the seat, shady checkcashing place could all add up to baby and mom both missing and or presumed dead? But she just couldnt drag herself away from all the fun she`was having or didnt have enough cash saved up for her oneway to CAL? Just a couple thoughts to ponder Am glad to see the timeline really getting tighter by each post, you all are incredible!!!!

Well jeez, what did she spend all of Amy's money on!? a tattoo and nails? If she wanted to disappear and go to California, she certainly had the means. I guess she was too caught up with the playing house and the parties.

 

[CaptLogic]

I'm not so sure the gas cans were for the car. You don't need more than one gas can for the car.

Yup. Why two cans? Unless you needed extra gas for a long trip. Or to burn something up.

 

[CaptLogic]

Now that we have the timeline of the car being spotted on the morning of the 27th at 7:00am, that would mean that KC must of left Tony's place very, VERY early that morning to go to wherever she was going for whatever reason. There is still at least a 4 hrs difference from spotting of car and Tony actually picking her up. Now if we could just figure out what she was doing in those 4 hrs, and what was her means of transportation, considering her car was out of gas at Amscot?

Well, I'm not sure I believe Tony so much. His statements are ridiculous to read. I doubt his is accurate. Also, someone messed with Cindy/KC's laptop. It was either Tony or Lee. I'm guessing Tony. Maybe Tony and KC took some pics or something, etc. that Tony erased. Or maybe Lee did it after talking to KC. But one of them did. If it was Tony, then maybe the dates and times are off slightly.

I still can't get over that text that Tony told Amy about from KC saying she'll be in jail for eternity if they never or ever find Caylee.

Also, when Tony went to pickup the cans with KC on the 20th, did he ever say where they went after that? Where was the car out of gas at on the 20th? This seems missing. Also in our timeline there are a few dates around this time that are missing as far as where Casey is staying.

 

[redtailhawk]

I can't figure why anyone would leave a purse in an abandoned car, other than for bait.

Delinquent walks by car...sees purse...smashes window...opens trunk...puts squirrels in trunk...

Hahahahaha!!! oooooo I just choked on my coffee....thanks for starting my day with a huge laugh!

....drats....5:48 AM and off to work...arg

 

[2goldfish]

Now that we have the timeline of the car being spotted on the morning of the 27th at 7:00am, that would mean that KC must of left Tony's place very, VERY early that morning to go to wherever she was going for whatever reason. There is still at least a 4 hrs difference from spotting of car and Tony actually picking her up. Now if we could just figure out what she was doing in those 4 hrs, and what was her means of transportation, considering her car was out of gas at Amscot?

I just wonder if possibly the car was not spotted at 7 am. remember the woman at amscot was being asked about this several weeks later and perhaps had her days mixed up. I notice there is a lot of tendency to think unless KC says it, it is the truth. I am not saying everyone else is lying. But being asked several weeks after the fact maybe a lot of people dont remember all that clearly. for example obs it was there 7 am the following two days, and that went in her head as being there at 7 am all three days? is there video showing when the car appeared? else we could think perhaps the times we are being told are off.

 

[Pink Panther]

Listed in the items that Lee fetched from Tony's place on the night of July 15th was a BIG PURSE...so she had all of her necessities in THAT purse, because when they got that stuff to the house they dumped it all out and her wallet was right there inside THAT purse. SO the purse in the car was just part of her decoy. There was nothing of value in there I would almost guarantee. THE most valuable item found in that vehicle was MAMA, Caylee's doll that she never went anywhere without...and MAMA's clothes seem to be missing...

Well her wallet, ID and cash was retrieved from the purse that she had left in Tony's appartment on July 15th so...yes, it is likely that there was little of value in the purse that she left in the car.

 

[GumShoe209]

I just wonder if possibly the car was not spotted at 7 am. remember the woman at amscot was being asked about this several weeks later and perhaps had her days mixed up. I notice there is a lot of tendency to think unless KC says it, it is the truth. I am not saying everyone else is lying. But being asked several weeks after the fact maybe a lot of people dont remember all that clearly. for example obs it was there 7 am the following two days, and that went in her head as being there at 7 am all three days? is there video showing when the car appeared? else we could think perhaps the times we are being told are off.

She probably left early so Tony wouldn't smell the car... she parked next to dumpster, just so people would think it was the dumpster. Tony said the Tysons and pops were in a regular bag. Maybe that's when she bought the Arm and Hammer and was trying to clean the trunk for four hours and the 'white bag' was left in trunk -- thinking it would get rid of smell --maybe she left some raw meat in the bag for good measure... she planned on going back to get the car, but by the time she got the gas cans it was too late -- she couldn't have known if it was stolen or towed. That was why she was having nightmares and sweating. Probably thought it was stolen and dumped after two weeks and no call from mom and dad saying it was towed.

 

[angelmom]

She probably left early so Tony wouldn't smell the car... she parked next to dumpster, just so people would think it was the dumpster. Tony said the Tysons and pops were in a regular bag. Maybe that's when she bought the Arm and Hammer and was trying to clean the trunk for four hours and the 'white bag' was left in trunk -- thinking it would get rid of smell --maybe she left some raw meat in the bag for good measure... she planned on going back to get the car, but by the time she got the gas cans it was too late -- she couldn't have known if it was stolen or towed. That was why she was having nightmares and sweating. Probably thought it was stolen and dumped after two weeks and no call from mom and dad saying it was towed.

I think these are all good points. I also wonder if when she stole the food is when she found the leftover pizza and threw that in for good measure (since no one else claims to remember ordering it).

But the other thing about the gas that I wonder is did she just plan to spill a bunch hoping that it would cover the smell. She could claim that a gas can had tipped over in her car and that it reeked. If someone said, "What's that horrible smell???!!!" I can totally see her looking them in the eye and saying "All I smell is gas." That would make sense to me why she was so anxious to get gas for an abandoned car - not to put in the tank but to spill in the trunk.

 

[Faenorwyn]

Ya know, something else is bugging me too. What were her long term plans? Did she have a plan at all? If she stole the money from Amy, why not use it to leave the country? Or at least the state? She had to know that eventually she would have to produce Caylee. Why not run off to another state? Afterall she was already at odds with her parents. No one would have even known Caylee was missing for a very, very long time.....if ever. All she had to do was sever all ties with everyone she knew. As far as the gas cans, why did she steal gas cans from her parents house? She had stole a bunch of money from Amy, $400 IIRC. Why not use some of that to buy a gas can? They aren't that expensive or hard to come by!! I can't see her tortching the car because too many people KNEW about her trying to get a gas can, know what I mean? I am seriously scratching my head over this.

 

[TallyHo]

She probably left early so Tony wouldn't smell the car... she parked next to dumpster, just so people would think it was the dumpster. Tony said the Tysons and pops were in a regular bag. Maybe that's when she bought the Arm and Hammer and was trying to clean the trunk for four hours and the 'white bag' was left in trunk -- thinking it would get rid of smell --maybe she left some raw meat in the bag for good measure... she planned on going back to get the car, but by the time she got the gas cans it was too late -- she couldn't have known if it was stolen or towed. That was why she was having nightmares and sweating. Probably thought it was stolen and dumped after two weeks and no call from mom and dad saying it was towed.

New here, but these were my thoughts as well - obviously the car smelled so bad that no one would even steal it!!!

 

[mom2chloe]

Only problem I can see with that is that 90% of cars over the year, say 1985, have screens inserted into the tank pipe to prevent this very thing. You can't get a hose in there.

Any idea if someone siphoning gas would use a hose and/or a funnel? Could she have been stealing gas from her friends or strangers?
And on a truly disgusting note...anyone think if she had these tools to steal gas that she could have placed the decomposed body in the containers? LP stated that the body would have been like carrying a 30 pound bag of stew, liquified I would assume...maybe it took several gas cans to hold the remains and she emptied out the remains into several different areas maybe even water? I doubt KC would endanger herself by going near gator infested areas.
I have never owned a gas can myself, but I wouldn't put it past KC to know how to steal gas or at least how to use the tools to do it. I am thinking the contents of all those gas cans are key.

 

[mom2chloe]

If she didn't intend to abandon it, why didn't she have tl take her to get gas/cans immediately? and who drives around with frozen food from home? I think the gas can bs was just a way to get gas for tl's car. her car was way too staged with the purse and all.

Any idea if the As have a freezer in their garage? Maybe she placed the body there while they were on vacation and retrieved the remains along with the groceries she took from the house, also frozen foods IIRC?

 

[mom2chloe]

I would give everything I own to know if there is any security video of Casey leaving her parents car at the Amscott. I can see a situation where she runs out of gas at the Amscott with Caylee's body in the trunk. She panicks, looks frantically around, and sees a convenient dumpster. She tosses the body into the dumpster and leaves in such a hurry that her purse and keys are left in the vehicle. Why else would she have left her purse in the car? If I place myself inside her twisted mind (a disgusting place to be), I can see her thinking, well.....if I ever get caught, I can say I was carjacked. Her behavior of leaving the car at the Amscott with her purse, and then trying to get gas cans a few days latter when she was driving around in Tony's jeep just tells me she was flat broke and was somehow using those cans to get gas for whatever she was driving. Maybe you can't siphon gas easily anymore (I plan on trying tomorrow), but I bet she could wear a short skirt and get some guy at a gas station to buy her sob story and purchase a can of gas for her. I know her type in that respect.

I am certain she wouldn't have any trouble obtaining gas! She could have gone to every gas station and told the same sob story, acquiring gallons of gas...or true to KC style, she could have just been in the habit of stealing gas, after all she was frequently driving someone else's car, why not gas and dash as often as you can, especially if you are low on cash.

 

[icherish]

Probably would have moved it to woods or a grove before torching. A lot of that done here in FL with stolen cars.

Her leaving at Amscot was her way of saying "Hey that is where I left it, just ask Tony"

Burning is the only way she could of gotten rid of all the evidence.

I think she would also have needed an accomplice to burn it. She'd have to take it far out into woods or a grove so as not be detected...but how would she get back? I can't see her trekking on foot from the middle of nowhere.

 

[CarrieBean]

Ya know, something else is bugging me too. What were her long term plans? Did she have a plan at all? If she stole the money from Amy, why not use it to leave the country? Or at least the state? She had to know that eventually she would have to produce Caylee. Why not run off to another state? Afterall she was already at odds with her parents. No one would have even known Caylee was missing for a very, very long time.....if ever. All she had to do was sever all ties with everyone she knew. As far as the gas cans, why did she steal gas cans from her parents house? She had stole a bunch of money from Amy, $400 IIRC. Why not use some of that to buy a gas can? They aren't that expensive or hard to come by!! I can't see her tortching the car because too many people KNEW about her trying to get a gas can, know what I mean? I am seriously scratching my head over this.

I don't know if this girl is capable of thinking of the future. And I don't think she is capable of running off on her own and starting a new life.