Maybe she didn't abandon the car - Gas cans will solve the case.

[GumShoe209]

I think Casey was just living from day to day. She ran out of gas and had Tony take her to parents house for gas cans. George had locked the shed -- and he got the cans back on the 24th. She got Amy to go buy a gas can -- Cindy said early on she didn't abandon that car there because Cindy drove by it everyday - twice. Did she want Cindy to find it?

 

[s1rebecca]

Her fixation on gas cans has fascinated me from the beginning of this case. My first thought, was that she had burned the body, but there would have been some sort of evidence of that in the car, I think....even if it were traces on her clothes or seat cushions, which I am sure have been extensively evaluated by the FBI. After reading the transcript from Amy, I think CA may have been stealing gas to use in whoever's car she was driving. She was using Tony's jeep while he was in New York, right?? She had severed all ties with her parents at this point, and she had no job - thus the need to steal gas to put into whoever's vehicle she was driving at the time. How would she have been able to ask for gas money when she was lying to everyone about having a job?? Long story short - I think the gas cans were necessary to fuel the car she was currently bumming from someone. Now, where did she steal the gas from??? I can only say two words: 'rubber hose' - as in I bet she had one that she used to siphon gas from other cars, and I wish I had one to beat the truth out of her. :furious:

I was thinking that too yesterday. And why keep getting new gas cans, why not keep one in your trunk. I think I have run out of gas maybe once or twice in my life, why did she always run out of gas? I also wonder was she syphoning gas into those cans because she had no money. But that must be wrong because when they found her wallet LA said there was about $220 in there.

 

[Black Magic Woman]

Yes, that is what I am reading in the reports. Tony even states that KC stayed the night on the 26th, then claims she left early in the morning, stating that she would be back. She never made it back, as he received a call or text from her asking if he could come pick her up at the Amscot, as she ran out of gas. He picked her up around 11:00am. Very confusing I know. I'm trying to make some sense out of what in the world was she doing up so early, where was she going, and most important, where was she from 7:00am when car was spotted, until 11:00am when Tony actually picked her up?....something is really wrong with this.

Dont forget.. she was also boinking that police officer that got fired (and no telling who else). She could have been at another guys house in these hours, but according to Tony she had obviously also been to her parents to steal food.

 

[s1rebecca]

Any idea if someone siphoning gas would use a hose and/or a funnel? Could she have been stealing gas from her friends or strangers?
And on a truly disgusting note...anyone think if she had these tools to steal gas that she could have placed the decomposed body in the containers? LP stated that the body would have been like carrying a 30 pound bag of stew, liquified I would assume...maybe it took several gas cans to hold the remains and she emptied out the remains into several different areas maybe even water? I doubt KC would endanger herself by going near gator infested areas.
I have never owned a gas can myself, but I wouldn't put it past KC to know how to steal gas or at least how to use the tools to do it. I am thinking the contents of all those gas cans are key.

The bones and skull would not liquefy, I don't think that she would have used the gas cans for that.

 

[Black Magic Woman]

This is pure speculation based on known dates and statements made by various people.

According to Tony L’s statement on the week of June 22nd with no exact date given, Casey ran out of gas and again on the week of June 28th again not sure of the date but it was the day he picked her up from the Amscot Building Casey ran out of gas again. There was one day he took Casey to HopeSpring Dr to get a gas can but he is not sure of that date either.

That may have been the day that Casey broke into the shed and stole them. Per GA on the police report it was June 21 or the 22 that is must have been broken into but looking at the calendar it most likely was June 20th. The A’s were more apt to be at home during the weekend plus June 20th is a Friday that matches a text or mypsace message about the two Fridays running out of gas.
Casey probably told Tone she ran out of gas but that was her means of ‘buying’ gas. GA makes his report to LE around 10:00Am on June 24th and that same afternoon is when Casey comes back to the house with them in the trunk of car. CA has relayed the gas can theft to Casey in some way. Maybe by text or voice mail.
GA claims he took them out the trunk of Casey’s car and LA says that Casey gave them back to GA with an attitude. The ‘who opened the trunk’ and ‘who took the cans out’ is different but the date is the same. June 24th. If Caylee had not been stored in the trunk but only transported in the trunk there would be a good chance that there would not be any smell at this point. Nothing is mentioned buy GA about the cans being empty but you can bet that was the case.
Casey needed the gas to fuel the car. Either she did not have any money or she did not want to run the risk of having to stop for gas with a body in her trunk.
If Casey transported Caylee in the trunk of the car sometime after the 22nd of June but prior to the 24th of June when she returned the cans there might not have been any smell in the car yet. There may have been something on the cans that if they had been set down in the back yard before being put in the shed that could explain the hits in the yard with the cadaver dogs. During the transport of Caylee’s body fluids must have leaked into the trunk and now after June 24th when bringing them back to GA and June 27th when the car is dumped is when the trunk had started to smell pretty bad.
This is when Casey tells Amy that her ‘Dad must of run over something’ story on the June 27th. Casey is setting up a cover story in case anyone noticed anything amiss plus it also gives her good cover for not driving the car. Casey dumps the car at Amscot before 7:00Am on June 27th based on the statement from the manager at the Amscot building. Casey has Tony pick her up on the same morning but he says it was around 11:00 AM. I question the time. Would not Tony have been in classes at that time. Perhaps it was a wee bit early in the morning than he remembers. The ‘groceries’ are Tyson chicken and Freezer pops Tony Never Says They Are Frozen just that they are in plain looking bags and she had some clothes. He mentions that the bags look like she got them from home. Casey was heading towards Tony’s jeep as he pulled into the parking lot so Tony never got out of his car and was not near it to smell anything.
Somewhere between the June 27th and June 30th Casey must have told Tony that there is a larger problem with her car than just her running out of gas. Otherwise why would she need to be driving Tony’s jeep for a week and tell him her dad took the car to a mechanic or some dealership to be fixed.
Casey continues the dead animal smell with Amy and now and adds the smell is coming from the engine when she mentions it on the 28th of June. Casey then expands the running out of gas routine by mentioning the ‘two Fridays in a row’ and adds the ‘squirrels plastered to the front of the car’ as the now mystery solved about the car smell. She does not tell Amy that anything is wrong with her car.
June 30th Casey shows up at Amy’s door at 9:45 and proceeds to mention needing a gas can. So off to Target they went to buy one. Casey now needed a gas can so she can steel more gas to fuel Tone’s jeep that she is now driving. No mention of Amy taking her anywhere to get gas but Casey has Tony’s jeep so she did not need Amy for transportation that week. Any does notice that Casey is always driving Tony’s jeep. It would not be until Tony returned on July 5 that Casey would need a car and then only for 3 days until July 8th when Amy goes to P. Rico for a week. Casey tells Amy that her car broke down although we don’t know exactly when and asks to borrow hers. Now Casey has a car until Amy returns on July 15th.

What she was planning on doing later about having a car is beyond me.
Maybe and this is just based on other things that we know that Casey has done.
Casey may have driven by the Amscot building and saw the car was gone and figured her plan had worked. Someone stole the car.
She had told Tony she was planning on getting a new car. Maybe she felt that she could claim that the car was stolen and the insurance money would get her a new vehicle. The fact that Casey gave Amy an explanation for the smell meant that somehow Casey figured she would not have to worry about the car anymore or she would not have to worry about the car smelling anymore. Heck Casey may have thought that once the A’s got the car back [if she figured it would be towed] and she waited long enough that CA would come around and everything would go back to the way it was. CA & GA to raise Caylee buy her a new car and Casey could continue with her party girl plans.

I guess Casey never heard of skunks. Now they can put a hurting on a car as far as smell goes and in some cases I have known a few people who have their insurance companies consider them 'a total loss'.

WOW....I can't believe you can think that clearly at 4am, I'm impressed! the decomp on the gas cans in the yard makes alot of sense and so does the rest of your theory. I still want to know if those guys that helped her push the car ever came forward with a statement? someone mentioned in another thread and I'm really interested in hearing what they said about a smell.

 

[MiraclesHappen]

Thank You Reannan:blowkiss:

 

[CaptLogic]

I'm starting to think Tony helped her and is not entirely truthful. He may be worried about being an accessory.

 

[AmyinTheHam]

Ok I think the gas cans do have a significant role in this story.

My questions are: Did TonE drive her over to her parents to get the gas cans on the 20th? Where was her car? Because we would assume if Caylee was in that trunk from the 15 or 16th by the 20th it would already have an odor. Did TonE take her back to her car after they left the Anthony's?

And it was my understanding that KC went on the 30th to Target with AH and then went back to her house with the gas can. No mention if it was empty or full, just that they got one at Target. Did KC plan on taking TonE back with her to the car when he got out of school or something? Why did she not let AH drive to Target (AH said she offered didn't she) and drop her by the car on their way back? That would be my logic.

Somehow she wanted TonE involved...perhaps he does know more.

And the nightmares he says she had. Did he say when they started? I am guessing they started when that car got towed. I don't think she expected that at all. She was already trying to get away from Lee early July when she knew the car was gone, but the rest of the Anthony family did not know yet...

 

[mom2chloe]

The bones and skull would not liquefy, I don't think that she would have used the gas cans for that.

Hence the need for the shovel maybe? Retrieve the solid matter to dispose of separately. Anyone know if she had used the gas cans to dispose of the liquid portion of the remains, if gas were later added to those same cans, would that destroy or compromise any DNA evidence?

 

[passin_through]

I believe Tony and Casey went to hopespring and got gas cans on the 20th, and in Lee's statement he backs up Casey giving george the cans back on the 24th.

I've not finished the thread so forgive if it's already been discussed.

Ok, Lee says that TonE told him that he took Casey to her parents to get gas cans, correct? He states that to be the 20th because of Amy's text message about *what are the odds of running out of gas 2 fridays in a row*, so that's the Black Jeep at the Anthony's. Casey's car is out of gas, so it's not going to be there, right?

Then we have the neighbor, Brian who sees Casey back into the garage on the 20th. Is this before or after Casey ran out of gas? If after, why didn't Casey return the cans then? If before, when could the Anthony's have thought Casey was in J-ville as they stated? Because obviously Casey was returning to the home often, and apparently cartin' stuff off, food, clothes etc.

 

[MagnoliaMom]

Early on IIRC Casey told Lee something about purses.......I think about the missing sim card.....I've always thought this purse in the car was not her 'everyday' purse.......& yes, When Cindy emptied the bag Casey's wallet was there, w/her DL & *maybe* a phony ID (per LEE), credit cards & money.

Maybe it wasn't her purse at all. Maybe it was a stolen purse.

 

[CaptLogic]

Is it possible she simply left Tony's to get clothes + food and leech of the parents. Then was driving back around 11-12 and really ran out of gas? Or was on her way back and just really got tired of the smell in the car. From google maps, the Amscot looks like it's in between Hopespring and Tony's Sutton place apartment address. It's about 17 minutes from Hopespring and 6 minutes to Sutton from the Amscot.

How likely is it that she would be able to get in her house during her time "missing" to get stuff from the parent's freezer on the 27th since her Father goes to work late?

 

[Baznme]

Is this the same neighbor she borrowed the hammer from ?? If so he spends much time in his front yard, & has *excellent* memory ???......remembers dates, times, drivers, cars, trucks, colors, pulled in, backed in, AND hammers.

IIRC JG has a silver truck.

Same neighbor KC borrowed the shovel from. If you read the transcript, you can see how he was able to recollect the info.

 

[Macushla]

OK, really, really reaching here - but her focus on gas cans is bugging me. I know there were a number of wild fires in and around Central Florida this summer. Could any of them (within say an hour's drive from Orlando) have been started by Casey disposing of Caylee? I think I will do some backtracking to see when/where some of these fires started.

Never mind, all the fires in the area were in May, none in late June or even July

 

[suki]

If this has been touched already - sorry.

I was reading everyone's responses and began to wonder how she happened to run out of gas by a dumpster. I mean, did she park her car and it suddenly gave out of gas? Usually you give out of gas other places than in a parking lot. And most folks will look at the gauge often if it is getting low. I'm just wondering how the car got to the place it did - by the dumpster. Was it put there because of the smell in her car, she though the dumpster would overpower the smell?

 

[maza]

This is pure speculation based on known dates and statements made by various people.

According to Tony L’s statement on the week of June 22nd with no exact date given, Casey ran out of gas and again on the week of June 28th again not sure of the date but it was the day he picked her up from the Amscot Building Casey ran out of gas again. There was one day he took Casey to HopeSpring Dr to get a gas can but he is not sure of that date either.

That may have been the day that Casey broke into the shed and stole them. Per GA on the police report it was June 21 or the 22 that is must have been broken into but looking at the calendar it most likely was June 20th. The A’s were more apt to be at home during the weekend plus June 20th is a Friday that matches a text or mypsace message about the two Fridays running out of gas.
Casey probably told Tone she ran out of gas but that was her means of ‘buying’ gas. GA makes his report to LE around 10:00Am on June 24th and that same afternoon is when Casey comes back to the house with them in the trunk of car. CA has relayed the gas can theft to Casey in some way. Maybe by text or voice mail.
GA claims he took them out the trunk of Casey’s car and LA says that Casey gave them back to GA with an attitude. The ‘who opened the trunk’ and ‘who took the cans out’ is different but the date is the same. June 24th. If Caylee had not been stored in the trunk but only transported in the trunk there would be a good chance that there would not be any smell at this point. Nothing is mentioned buy GA about the cans being empty but you can bet that was the case.
Casey needed the gas to fuel the car. Either she did not have any money or she did not want to run the risk of having to stop for gas with a body in her trunk.
If Casey transported Caylee in the trunk of the car sometime after the 22nd of June but prior to the 24th of June when she returned the cans there might not have been any smell in the car yet. There may have been something on the cans that if they had been set down in the back yard before being put in the shed that could explain the hits in the yard with the cadaver dogs. During the transport of Caylee’s body fluids must have leaked into the trunk and now after June 24th when bringing them back to GA and June 27th when the car is dumped is when the trunk had started to smell pretty bad.
This is when Casey tells Amy that her ‘Dad must of run over something’ story on the June 27th. Casey is setting up a cover story in case anyone noticed anything amiss plus it also gives her good cover for not driving the car. Casey dumps the car at Amscot before 7:00Am on June 27th based on the statement from the manager at the Amscot building. Casey has Tony pick her up on the same morning but he says it was around 11:00 AM. I question the time. Would not Tony have been in classes at that time. Perhaps it was a wee bit early in the morning than he remembers. The ‘groceries’ are Tyson chicken and Freezer pops Tony Never Says They Are Frozen just that they are in plain looking bags and she had some clothes. He mentions that the bags look like she got them from home. Casey was heading towards Tony’s jeep as he pulled into the parking lot so Tony never got out of his car and was not near it to smell anything.
Somewhere between the June 27th and June 30th Casey must have told Tony that there is a larger problem with her car than just her running out of gas. Otherwise why would she need to be driving Tony’s jeep for a week and tell him her dad took the car to a mechanic or some dealership to be fixed.
Casey continues the dead animal smell with Amy and now and adds the smell is coming from the engine when she mentions it on the 28th of June. Casey then expands the running out of gas routine by mentioning the ‘two Fridays in a row’ and adds the ‘squirrels plastered to the front of the car’ as the now mystery solved about the car smell. She does not tell Amy that anything is wrong with her car.
June 30th Casey shows up at Amy’s door at 9:45 and proceeds to mention needing a gas can. So off to Target they went to buy one. Casey now needed a gas can so she can steel more gas to fuel Tone’s jeep that she is now driving. No mention of Amy taking her anywhere to get gas but Casey has Tony’s jeep so she did not need Amy for transportation that week. Any does notice that Casey is always driving Tony’s jeep. It would not be until Tony returned on July 5 that Casey would need a car and then only for 3 days until July 8th when Amy goes to P. Rico for a week. Casey tells Amy that her car broke down although we don’t know exactly when and asks to borrow hers. Now Casey has a car until Amy returns on July 15th.

What she was planning on doing later about having a car is beyond me.
Maybe and this is just based on other things that we know that Casey has done.
Casey may have driven by the Amscot building and saw the car was gone and figured her plan had worked. Someone stole the car.
She had told Tony she was planning on getting a new car. Maybe she felt that she could claim that the car was stolen and the insurance money would get her a new vehicle. The fact that Casey gave Amy an explanation for the smell meant that somehow Casey figured she would not have to worry about the car anymore or she would not have to worry about the car smelling anymore. Heck Casey may have thought that once the A’s got the car back [if she figured it would be towed] and she waited long enough that CA would come around and everything would go back to the way it was. CA & GA to raise Caylee buy her a new car and Casey could continue with her party girl plans.

I guess Casey never heard of skunks. Now they can put a hurting on a car as far as smell goes and in some cases I have known a few people who have their insurance companies consider them 'a total loss'.

Ok.. so is this right? for just the Car and Gas-can timeline:waitasec:

June 20: Casey says she runs out of gas
June 20: Tony says he and Casey pick up Gas Cans from Anthony's house
June 20: date Lee says gas cans were missing
June 22-24: days that George says the cans were missing
June 24: Casey returns cans to George (see Lee's statement)
June 26? 27? : Casey leaves car at Amscot (is there a time?)
June 26? 27? Casey leaves keys and wallet in the car??
June 27: Amscot employee reports seeing car at 7:00 am; backed in by dumpster?
June 27: Casey texts friends "what are the odds i run out of gas 2 fridays.."
June 27: Tony picks Casey up at 11:00 a.m. at Amscot?
June 28: Amscot manager calls main ofc re: car; told to wait 24 hours to tow
June 28: Casey calls Jesse re: needing help to get gas and car
June 30: Casey shows up at Amy’s at 9:45 to get a gas can;
Amy then takes Casey to Target for gas can?
June 30: Amscot tows car (is there a time?)
June 30: Casey has Tony's jeep until July 5
July 15: George picks up Casey's car; takes gas w/ him?

 

[CarrieBean]

If this has been touched already - sorry.

I was reading everyone's responses and began to wonder how she happened to run out of gas by a dumpster. I mean, did she park her car and it suddenly gave out of gas? Usually you give out of gas other places than in a parking lot. And most folks will look at the gauge often if it is getting low. I'm just wondering how the car got to the place it did - by the dumpster. Was it put there because of the smell in her car, she though the dumpster would overpower the smell?

I believe she claimed to run out of gas at the turn off, and a couple of guys helped her push the car to Amscot.

 

[Cher352]

Ok I think the gas cans do have a significant role in this story.

My questions are: Did TonE drive her over to her parents to get the gas cans on the 20th? Where was her car? Because we would assume if Caylee was in that trunk from the 15 or 16th by the 20th it would already have an odor. Did TonE take her back to her car after they left the Anthony's?

And it was my understanding that KC went on the 30th to Target with AH and then went back to her house with the gas can. No mention if it was empty or full, just that they got one at Target. Did KC plan on taking TonE back with her to the car when he got out of school or something? Why did she not let AH drive to Target (AH said she offered didn't she) and drop her by the car on their way back? That would be my logic.

Somehow she wanted TonE involved...perhaps he does know more.

And the nightmares he says she had. Did he say when they started? I am guessing they started when that car got towed. I don't think she expected that at all. She was already trying to get away from Lee early July when she knew the car was gone, but the rest of the Anthony family did not know yet...

Interesting thought, KC didn't want Amy near the car due to smell but she wouldn't have minded TonE ??

 

[CaptLogic]

If this has been touched already - sorry.

I was reading everyone's responses and began to wonder how she happened to run out of gas by a dumpster. I mean, did she park her car and it suddenly gave out of gas? Usually you give out of gas other places than in a parking lot. And most folks will look at the gauge often if it is getting low. I'm just wondering how the car got to the place it did - by the dumpster. Was it put there because of the smell in her car, she though the dumpster would overpower the smell?

Well I saw the photo for the lot, if it was on the street it's possible it was pushed straight into the parking lot then was uphill, so they may have let it roll backwards. But even still, who would be pushing on that trunk with the smell? Maybe it didn't smell that much at that point?

More than likely she parked it.

 

[Baznme]

I've not finished the thread so forgive if it's already been discussed.

Ok, Lee says that TonE told him that he took Casey to her parents to get gas cans, correct? He states that to be the 20th because of Amy's text message about *what are the odds of running out of gas 2 fridays in a row*, so that's the Black Jeep at the Anthony's. Casey's car is out of gas, so it's not going to be there, right?

Then we have the neighbor, Brian who sees Casey back into the garage on the 20th. Is this before or after Casey ran out of gas? If after, why didn't Casey return the cans then? If before, when could the Anthony's have thought Casey was in J-ville as they stated? Because obviously Casey was returning to the home often, and apparently cartin' stuff off, food, clothes etc.

I don't think Brian saw KC's car in the garage on the 20th, I think he saw the "truck" with a white male driving and her on that day. She stopped to pick something up.