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There was a murder in my friend’s family. Then she committed suicide. These events occurred in 2017 & 2018. What blows my mind is that it’s now 2021, and the murder case has not been solved when it’s such a no-brainer.

The articles below will fill you in on what happened, but I need to add a few things:

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2) The night before the murder, he and Andrea argued and slept in separate rooms. He was the only person home when she was murdered. I believe she was found in the trunk of the car, so someone with a key to the trunk must have placed her there.

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Police: Few concrete leads one year after Montgomery County woman found dead in fiery SUV

Four siblings look back on their mother’s life as a way to move forward - Greater Olney News, LLC

https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/washingtonpost/name/kim-hawvermale-obituary?id=1792678
 
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Hi, if you have inside information about this death, it's a good idea to become a Verified Insider. A VI can make statements without having to provide links from MSM or LE bulletins, etc. I'm not sure if your relationship with the deceased would be considered a VI but it's a good idea to see so your posts don't get deleted.

Verification Process for Professional or Insider Posters

BTW, I read an obit-type article regarding KH and it said she died in her sleep.

Havermale Will Be Missed
 
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Hello, I knew Andrea as a child (our parents were good friends--my mom is still in touch with Andrea's mom). I've also wondered why this case is languishing and getting ZERO media attention.I'd like to help but don't know how. I just joined websleuths for this reason! Does anyone have ideas on how to move this forward?
 
The OP said;
"I believe she was found in the trunk of the car, so someone
with a key to the trunk must have placed her there."

This is incorrect, using the articles the OP cited, the
vehicle was a Honda Pilot, an SUV, NOT a sedan type
vehicle and therefore that deceased being found in the
rear of the vehicle does not require 'someone with a key
to the trunk'.

The articles the OP cited specify the vehicle was found
"ablaze in the wooded backyard" (of the deceaseds
residence) on Saturday, June 17, 2017, the fire being
noticed allegedly "around 8:30 a.m.".

The location of the 56 year old deceased in the rear of
the vehicle is consistent with the deceased having
retreated inside to the inside rear of the vehicle if the
fire or smoke had initially manifested more at the front
of the vehicle (when penetrating to its interior) and if
that deceased had been unable or unwilling to exit the
vehicle.

The deceased in the vehicle is recorded by the "Office
of the Chief Medical Examiner in Baltimore" as having
died of "smoke inhalation and thermal burns". So note,
no suggestion of violent trauma to the body, no
suggestion of incapacitating agents found in the body
(i.e. no evidence of drugging or unconsciousness).

Therefore if it is wished to 'move this forward', I suggest
confirming the make, model and ascertaining the year
and interior electrical fitout of that particular vehicle.
Did it have (electrical) central locking? Were the windows
electrically operated? Did the vehicle ECU record the
vehicle as having then being in a start or running cycle?
Did the Montgomery County Police or the Montgomery
County Fire Marshal’s Office in fact bother to attempt to
check the vehicle ECU/Sensing and Diagnostic Module/
Airbag Module, and if so, which officer or expert actioned
this, using what software and what device, when?
Was the vehicle starting key/remote found on the body
or found about in the front of the vehicle (i.e. therefore,
possibly left/discarded in the front by the deceased as
she retreated to the rear?). Was the vehicle in 'Park',
'Neutral' or in (a drive) Gear? Was the ground the vehicle
was found on level or a slight slope, did the fire burn
along the ground beyond the vehicle or only under the
vehicle (indicating possibly, the vehicle was driven a
short distance and/or fuel leaked onto the ground where
the vehicle had been driven and/or leaked from the
fuel tank as far as to the (underneath) front of a
stationary vehicle)? Did the investigation ascertain if
the ground surrounding the vehicle was badly burnt or
burnt such that the ground surrounding the vehicle
may have been saturated with fuel (thereby even if the
doors could have been opened, perhaps the deceased
encounted such flames about the vehicle that the
deceased found exit from the vehicle as being too
painful or impossible)? Was the ground surrounding
the vehicle in the "wooded backyard" covered with
dry grass/foilage that could have fed and exacerbated
the vehicle fire and smoke? Did anybody attempt to
obtain a copy of the 'police report' that it is alleged
that "ABC7 obtained from law enforcement sources".

Posit or disprove this theory:
The deceased found in the vehicle woke early that morning
and left the residence alone to drive and do, whatever, visit
parents for 'Fathers Day' weekend, shopping, etc. and a
fire thereafter occurred because;
The vehicle, a Honda Pilot, is noted for certain of its'
year builds having a Recall Fault, due to catching fire,
"'engine compartment fires" being cited, faults with a
"battery sensor" being cited. Certain of its' year builds
are also subject to Recall Faults, due to "fuel tanks that
may leak", e.g.;
Honda recalls 2.1 million vehicles worldwide over fire risk
https://www.cars.com/research/honda-pilot-2016/recalls/

An engine compartment fire, that quickly affected the
battery and/or electrical relays therein, could cause the
relays to melt (with possible activation) and/or fail to work
(if door locking activated, then) posssibly not allowing
the door to be openable. Ditto for any electrical windows.
And/Or maybe fuel from a leaking fuel tank ignited and
caused the fire/smoke to simply quickly surround the
vehicle to the extent the deceased could have opened
doors but judged or found that that only allowed fire or
smoke to bloom into the vehicle.

From the OP's cited articles, it was reported;
"Investigators determined that a non-accidental incendiary
fire was the cause of the vehicle fire." (These 'Investigators'
were not specifically identified).

What is known, from page 4 or thereabouts of;
Code:
https://mdsp.maryland.gov/firemarshal/Documents/Fire Deaths - 2017.pdf
is that the 'Office Of The Maryland State Fire Marshal'
records this about this 56 year olds death in Montgomery
County, Maryland;
"Investigators revealed the fire most likely was
intentionally set."

To speak bluntly, they were in fact not certain what the
cause of the fire was, and at this late date, now probably
never will know certainly what the cause of the fire was.
IMO, the family should consider engaging a lawyer, or
move on from the matter, assuming the family wants it
pursued at all. Well meaning friends of the deceaseds
family should ascertain if the family in fact, want this
matter to be raised here at all. Innuendos against
John Hawvermale (the deceaseds husband), named by
the OP, not identified as a POI by police, should be
disregarded, given there is no evidence against him and
there is some evidence as to an accidental cause for the
fire, as I have suggested above.
That's how I see it.
Code:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf1MIGh5Zz8
 
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@Squeakylove , @Hazelcove , are you aware of any movement in this horrible situation?

Don't see the description of the vehicle suggested above, but since 1999 all our Hondas have had integrated lock systems.

jmho ymmv lrr
 
There was a murder in my friend’s family. Then she committed suicide. These events occurred in 2017 & 2018. What blows my mind is that it’s now 2021, and the murder case has not been solved when it’s such a no-brainer.

The articles below will fill you in on what happened, but I need to add a few things:

<modsnip>

2) The night before the murder, he and Andrea argued and slept in separate rooms. He was the only person home when she was murdered. I believe she was found in the trunk of the car, so someone with a key to the trunk must have placed her there.

<modsnip>





Police: Few concrete leads one year after Montgomery County woman found dead in fiery SUV

Four siblings look back on their mother’s life as a way to move forward - Greater Olney News, LLC

https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/washingtonpost/name/kim-hawvermale-obituary?id=1792678
Hello! I was just reading these articles and this is so tragic and so sad. This case is sounds very suspicious and I think the husband should be looked at again. Especially if she didn't have any enemies or problems outside of the home.
I find that In these kinds of cases, it's usually the ones closest to the victim that cause their demise. I don't understand how and why he's not the prime suspect. He shows a lot of guilt just by "claimmng up" as it states in the article. He also has a criminal defense attorney. If you're innocent or have nothing to hide, then why the lawyer? Why not cooperate? So many questions and no answers.
In my heart I feel that the person who did this horrific crime had much anger towards the victim. Like it stated in the article and also from you, that they argued the night before and slept in different rooms.
To be able to have put an unconscious (my opinion) but alive and breathing person into a trunk and set fire to it is a monster. They wanted them to suffer. The medical examiner proves that. Were there any other injuries? Head trauma? I didn't see anything stated. Just smoke inhalation and thermal injuries.
 
The OP said;
"I believe she was found in the trunk of the car, so someone
with a key to the trunk must have placed her there."

This is incorrect, using the articles the OP cited, the
vehicle was a Honda Pilot, an SUV, NOT a sedan type
vehicle and therefore that deceased being found in the
rear of the vehicle does not require 'someone with a key
to the trunk'.

The articles the OP cited specify the vehicle was found
"ablaze in the wooded backyard" (of the deceaseds
residence) on Saturday, June 17, 2017, the fire being
noticed allegedly "around 8:30 a.m.".

The location of the 56 year old deceased in the rear of
the vehicle is consistent with the deceased having
retreated inside to the inside rear of the vehicle if the
fire or smoke had initially manifested more at the front
of the vehicle (when penetrating to its interior) and if
that deceased had been unable or unwilling to exit the
vehicle.

The deceased in the vehicle is recorded by the "Office
of the Chief Medical Examiner in Baltimore" as having
died of "smoke inhalation and thermal burns". So note,
no suggestion of violent trauma to the body, no
suggestion of incapacitating agents found in the body
(i.e. no evidence of drugging or unconsciousness).

Therefore if it is wished to 'move this forward', I suggest
confirming the make, model and ascertaining the year
and interior electrical fitout of that particular vehicle.
Did it have (electrical) central locking? Were the windows
electrically operated? Did the vehicle ECU record the
vehicle as having then being in a start or running cycle?
Did the Montgomery County Police or the Montgomery
County Fire Marshal’s Office in fact bother to attempt to
check the vehicle ECU/Sensing and Diagnostic Module/
Airbag Module, and if so, which officer or expert actioned
this, using what software and what device, when?
Was the vehicle starting key/remote found on the body
or found about in the front of the vehicle (i.e. therefore,
possibly left/discarded in the front by the deceased as
she retreated to the rear?). Was the vehicle in 'Park',
'Neutral' or in (a drive) Gear? Was the ground the vehicle
was found on level or a slight slope, did the fire burn
along the ground beyond the vehicle or only under the
vehicle (indicating possibly, the vehicle was driven a
short distance and/or fuel leaked onto the ground where
the vehicle had been driven and/or leaked from the
fuel tank as far as to the (underneath) front of a
stationary vehicle)? Did the investigation ascertain if
the ground surrounding the vehicle was badly burnt or
burnt such that the ground surrounding the vehicle
may have been saturated with fuel (thereby even if the
doors could have been opened, perhaps the deceased
encounted such flames about the vehicle that the
deceased found exit from the vehicle as being too
painful or impossible)? Was the ground surrounding
the vehicle in the "wooded backyard" covered with
dry grass/foilage that could have fed and exacerbated
the vehicle fire and smoke? Did anybody attempt to
obtain a copy of the 'police report' that it is alleged
that "ABC7 obtained from law enforcement sources".

Posit or disprove this theory:
The deceased found in the vehicle woke early that morning
and left the residence alone to drive and do, whatever, visit
parents for 'Fathers Day' weekend, shopping, etc. and a
fire thereafter occurred because;
The vehicle, a Honda Pilot, is noted for certain of its'
year builds having a Recall Fault, due to catching fire,
"'engine compartment fires" being cited, faults with a
"battery sensor" being cited. Certain of its' year builds
are also subject to Recall Faults, due to "fuel tanks that
may leak", e.g.;
Honda recalls 2.1 million vehicles worldwide over fire risk
https://www.cars.com/research/honda-pilot-2016/recalls/

An engine compartment fire, that quickly affected the
battery and/or electrical relays therein, could cause the
relays to melt (with possible activation) and/or fail to work
(if door locking activated, then) posssibly not allowing
the door to be openable. Ditto for any electrical windows.
And/Or maybe fuel from a leaking fuel tank ignited and
caused the fire/smoke to simply quickly surround the
vehicle to the extent the deceased could have opened
doors but judged or found that that only allowed fire or
smoke to bloom into the vehicle.

From the OP's cited articles, it was reported;
"Investigators determined that a non-accidental incendiary
fire was the cause of the vehicle fire." (These 'Investigators'
were not specifically identified).

What is known, from page 4 or thereabouts of;
Code:
https://mdsp.maryland.gov/firemarshal/Documents/Fire Deaths - 2017.pdf
is that the 'Office Of The Maryland State Fire Marshal'
records this about this 56 year olds death in Montgomery
County, Maryland;
"Investigators revealed the fire most likely was
intentionally set."

To speak bluntly, they were in fact not certain what the
cause of the fire was, and at this late date, now probably
never will know certainly what the cause of the fire was.
IMO, the family should consider engaging a lawyer, or
move on from the matter, assuming the family wants it
pursued at all. Well meaning friends of the deceaseds
family should ascertain if the family in fact, want this
matter to be raised here at all. Innuendos against
John Hawvermale (the deceaseds husband), named by
the OP, not identified as a POI by police, should be
disregarded, given there is no evidence against him and
there is some evidence as to an accidental cause for the
fire, as I have suggested above.
That's how I see it.
Code:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf1MIGh5Zz8
Your thoughts on this is very interesting. I did not know the vehicle was an SUV. That changes my theory a bit on the case. I had thoughts on the husband due to their fights, him "clamming up" (as stated in articles) when speaking to Investigators and retaining an attorney. This made him look uncooperative. Like he had something to hide. Idk...if I had more facts, more resources and correct information I could dive into this more. But your theory makes sense.
 
He shows a lot of guilt just by "claimmng up" as it states in the article. He also has a criminal defense attorney. If you're innocent or have nothing to hide, then why the lawyer? Why not cooperate?

What you wrote about not talking to police and retaining an attorney as “showing a lot of guilt” is a common misconception. Although our impulse when innocent is to be helpful to an investigation, whatever you say to LE can be used to build a case against you, even if you are innocent. It is your constitutional right to remain silent. Hiring an attorney who can advise you is the wise thing to do, and again, is your constitutional right, not evidence of guilt. This isn’t just my opinion. It has been repeated over and over on WS as well as in links such as the one below from the ACLU.

In this particular case, the husband was forthcoming with the information that they had argued the night before and slept separately as a result. I imagine at some point he could see that this was going to be used to build a case against him, got an attorney and stopped talking.

The recent case of Debbie Collier in GA was initially treated as a homicide and personal. Ultimately, it was ruled a suicide. So it’s not unheard of for LE to get tunnel vision. That’s why it’s wise, if innocent, to hire an attorney, and have them present when questioned, and follow their advice



 
Hello! I was just reading these articles and this is so tragic and so sad. This case is sounds very suspicious and I think the husband should be looked at again. Especially if she didn't have any enemies or problems outside of the home.
I find that In these kinds of cases, it's usually the ones closest to the victim that cause their demise. I don't understand how and why he's not the prime suspect. He shows a lot of guilt just by "claimmng up" as it states in the article. He also has a criminal defense attorney. If you're innocent or have nothing to hide, then why the lawyer? Why not cooperate? So many questions and no answers.
In my heart I feel that the person who did this horrific crime had much anger towards the victim. Like it stated in the article and also from you, that they argued the night before and slept in different rooms.
To be able to have put an unconscious (my opinion) but alive and breathing person into a trunk and set fire to it is a monster. They wanted them to suffer. The medical examiner proves that. Were there any other injuries? Head trauma? I didn't see anything stated. Just smoke inhalation and thermal injuries.
Mrs. Hawvermale was a lovely woman who liked everyone. I hope the police will find and prosecute whoever killed her.
 

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