MD MD - Anne Furst, 83, & Helen Larkin, 56, Aberdeen, 17 Oct 1989

  • #101
Ask anything you want!!

With respect to location of I-95, not sure. I know if you get off the exit where the Red Roof Inn is, they were close to that. Don't know if that helps.

If you stood in the front yard, there was a large window in the front but it just looks like a normal home. I had a picture of the house but can't find it now. Neighbors were absolutely visible on all sides. When we found my mom and grandmom, we were screaming and the next door neighbors came out right away.


If you go to google, you can see the residence (I think it was shot in 2008, for google earth. but there is a more updated satellite image.) Go to ground view and zoom.

Do you mind me asking which neighbors? the ones north, or south- or across the street?
 
  • #102
Ask anything you want!!

With respect to location of I-95, not sure. I know if you get off the exit where the Red Roof Inn is, they were close to that. Don't know if that helps.

If you stood in the front yard, there was a large window in the front but it just looks like a normal home. I had a picture of the house but can't find it now. Neighbors were absolutely visible on all sides. When we found my mom and grandmom, we were screaming and the next door neighbors came out right away.

So you are saying there were neighbors that lived across the street, and would have been visible from your grandparents house, right?

I saw a video someone posted to youtube, the video is entitled Maxa Road, 1975. Were you aware of it, and if so, does it mean anything to you?

What is the address on Maxa?
 
  • #103
My aunt, uncle and cousin attended the wake. The funeral was put off due to the murders. We ended up having a funeral for all three a few weeks after.

I was wondering about any other relatives local to that area who would have attended your grandfathers wake or funeral?
 
  • #104
I believe there are houses across the street. There are definitely houses behind. That is where one of the neighbors lived and heard the brick go through the door.

I was not aware of the youtube video. I just watched it and nothing is familiar to me. I believe their street number on Maxa Road was 818.

So you are saying there were neighbors that lived across the street, and would have been visible from your grandparents house, right?

I saw a video someone posted to youtube, the video is entitled Maxa Road, 1975. Were you aware of it, and if so, does it mean anything to you?

What is the address on Maxa?
 
  • #105
My aunt, uncle and cousin attended the wake. The funeral was put off due to the murders. We ended up having a funeral for all three a few weeks after.

Your aunt, uncle, and cousin were all local to the area, is that correct?

And on a different topic- do you by any chance know if Rt 22s gas stations 7-11 etc were checked for surveillance tapes at the time? I know you are waiting to get the case files, but thought you might know?
 
  • #106
I don't think I answered this, did I?

The brick was a 'paver' which I believe came from a neighbors yard. I wish I could somehow get the original Crime Stoppers video to all of you. It's really crazy to see. It talks about the paver and has great footage of the house as well as the interview with the neighbor that heard the brick go through.

Was the brick from your grandparents yard?
 
  • #107
I don't think I answered this, did I?

The brick was a 'paver' which I believe came from a neighbors yard. I wish I could somehow get the original Crime Stoppers video to all of you. It's really crazy to see. It talks about the paver and has great footage of the house as well as the interview with the neighbor that heard the brick go through.

Add this to your list when requesting the file. Have you called Crimestoppers to see if they archived it anywhere?
 
  • #108
I believe there are houses across the street. There are definitely houses behind. That is where one of the neighbors lived and heard the brick go through the door.

I was not aware of the youtube video. I just watched it and nothing is familiar to me. I believe their street number on Maxa Road was 818.


Just pulled up my mapping program and went back to the date in question. Looks like there are homes across the street, as well as next door and behind. So the neighbor who heard the glass break would likely be either the neighbor NW of their residence, or possibly the SW neighbor (given the placement of the rooms in the home?) Is that correct? Is that the same neighbor who came out when they heard you screaming?
TIA if you can answer this, maxa.
 
  • #109
If I was in there shoes (DISCLAIMER: I would NEVER do something like this) and I was just out to steal money I think I would wait until shortly after the service started then go in and get out fast.

I agree with this...Right after the service, I would think the thiefs would be after the money put in memorial envelopes.

Since nothing else was stolen, I am leaning toward somebody they know. Maxa's mom let them in. She knew him (or her). I still can't shake the feeling this was about money (or the grandparent's will). Somebody who felt cheated out of his or her birthright.
 
  • #110
A paver from a neighbor's house. Okay that changes my line of thinking.

If it was somebody intimately related to the family, s/he wouldn't be prowling around the neighbor's house looking for something to throw through the door. There's too big a risk of being seen. Plus, somebody intimately involved with the family would know where to find something to throw through the window.

So, that leaves me with one of two suspects...
1) A prowler looking for a random house to break into (unlikely since nothing was stolen)
2) A neighbor who knew where to find such items. That kind of leads me back to the druggy neighbors.

Another thought - Whoever did this would have been covered with blood. S/he had to clean up somewhere.
 
  • #111
Family was completely cleared by LE, everyone.
 
  • #112
Yes very inreresting theory. But with nothing stolen I am still not buying it.

They wanted money. CASH!
For a reason they thought there was cash stored in the home.
Hidden somewhere.
They were not there to steal items and take them and sell them.
Or pond them at a pond shop. They wanted the cash they thought was stashed somewhere inside the home.

They were not there to burglarized the home.
If they wanted it to appear there was a robbery committed.
They would have ransacked the place. To make it look like someone broke in killed the women and then stole items.

They did-not do that. They just wanted hard currency.

Perhaps to buy drugs for there habit. or to pay off a drug debt they owed.

Your mother being found in the chair.
She could have gone through some interrogation.

Can you tell us, when she was found. Was there a pool of blood under her seat?....And not all over the room, but mainly by and around the chair she was setting in?

And they were trying to force her to tell them what they wanted to know, or believed she knew something about cash hidden around the house........Your gm heard the commotion and was getting out of bed to investigate when all hell broke loose.

Its just a theory. Base on what i have read and the answers you have given, and the interviews...ANY visual aids and or documents you can include are always welcome.

They will show us more of this puzzle.
Only the killer/ers know for certain what happened.
But yes, the crime stoppers video showing things would help


 
  • #113
This paver in question.
Is that a brick??

And the sliding glass door that was broken.
Do you recall if they kept a piece of board or bar in the track at the bottom so the door could not be opened. Like a security feature. And did anyone notice if it was still there or missing??
 
  • #114
I just wanted to make a quick comment here, and others can maybe disagree but doesn't it take a long while to get funds from an insurance policy? I know my husband's mother took the better part of a year (come to think of it, it might have been longer) to obtain funds from his stepfather's insurance policy after he died a few years back. Now given that situation was a suicide (and the policy was very old so there was no suicide clause or whatever you call it in it) but still, I thought even a straight forward policy would still take a good bit of time. So thinking that they would have stacks of insurance policy cash hanging around the house the night of the funeral sounds very presumptuous on the intruder's part.

That being said, if this was a couple people who were not privy to insurance matters (or perhaps I'm the one who isn't privvy), then they very well might have made such an assumption. But that's quite a risk to take to just assume that cash will be there then. Of course maybe they were just waiting for any old money or valuables, assuming that no one would be home due to the service earlier that day. But then why did they wait until so late in the day to go inside when I would assume that the funeral service time would probably have been posted somewhere so they probably could have estimated better if their purpose was just to rob a grieving family?

If I was in there shoes (DISCLAIMER: I would NEVER do something like this) and I was just out to steal money I think I would wait until shortly after the service started then go in and get out fast.

I definitely think it is an interesting theory, MrTT so I'm not trying to sound difficult but was just kind of thinking out loud (well, out loud in text! hehe). Maybe someone who knows more about insurance policies and payout times than me can chime in. :)

Insurance policy was a bad example.
I forgot to add the etc etc at the end.

Forget about an insurance policy and just concentrate on CASH only.

And please I know your not being difficult.
I want to hear what you and others have to say regarding any theory. This is cold cases. And more often then not we have to think outside the box. and a lot of times we have to think wayyyyyy outside the box. Because nothing inside the box has resolved the case.

Thank you for your comment.
 
  • #115
What do you mean a Leo only has to ask once??

LEO being Law Enforcement Official.

After asking once, there experience would tell them if theirs more
to a refusal then one simply not being interested in taking one
voluntarily.
 
  • #116
Good theory but wouldn't they have seen the brick thrown thru when the arrived home?

Without seeing the glass as it was when broken.
Not necessarily. They got home and one started watching TV and the other one decided to retire for the evening at some point.

That is why some theories have the brick tossed after the crime was committed. And I assume that is because there was glass on the kitchen floor and no indication it was being swept up.


Since the kitchen was in the back.
And there entrance into the home was in the front.
The two separated by bedrooms I believe they may had not seen it at first upon arriving home.

They did enter in the front part of the house yes. Where they parked there car in the drive way?

And theirs always a possibility the killers or killer was in the kitchen area, and when your mother went to the kitchen for something while watching TV she turned the light on and then seen the glass and broken sliding glass door window. But then it was to late.

They gained entry into that house somehow. And unless your gm kept door or window unlocked open etc.
My guess is they broke that glass and reached inside to unlock it to get in.

Of course one could speculate that the time the neighbor hear a sound. and your mother got up to go to the kitchen and see what it was, they had already gained entry.......It would not had taken long to unlatch that door once the glass was broken.
Thats why i asked about the security bar/board laying in the track and if there was one and now it was missing.

A early home invasion type of situation . But its all speculation and know one really knows except the killer/ers.



 
  • #117
Once we see that crime stoppers video.
We will be able to see things more clearly.
And come up with more speculations.

I will wait for that video.

Enjoy your time in Japan.
It will be exciting I am sure.
 
  • #118
Insurance policy was a bad example.
I forgot to add the etc etc at the end.

Forget about an insurance policy and just concentrate on CASH only.

And please I know your not being difficult.
I want to hear what you and others have to say regarding any theory. This is cold cases. And more often then not we have to think outside the box. and a lot of times we have to think wayyyyyy outside the box. Because nothing inside the box has resolved the case.

Thank you for your comment.

TT, my question to you is if these were druggies there for cash, why would they not go through the women's purses? I tend to believe that being on drugs lends itself to a bit of disorganization when it comes to committing crime, if only from a sense of desperation to obtain drugs. Natch, someone could have made off with some prescription medications with a good street value here, but I'm not so sure cash is THE motive. I get that the older woman was seen as more vulnerable if the intruder was aware of the husband's passing.

Why leave without obtaining what it is you seek, and instead subject yourself to homicide charges if caught? It could be attributable to someone not thinking clearly, but it seems we would then also find the place ransacked to some degree or the content of purses dumped at the very least. Also obvious is that the two women could identify their attacker or attackers.

I notice the house is up for sale or at least it is still listed for sale on Trulia. Not sure how vigilant those kinds of services are on keeping up-to-date. I would want to know when the house went up for sale, and how long the owner's lived there. I'd also like to know if the house sold below value after the murders took place, who bought it. Is that same person the one now selling the property? Did the ABC interviews and story raise the level of heat?

OTOH, this could have been the act of a disgruntled, and fed up neighbor. Maybe that person's beef was originally with the grandfather, but perhaps the grandmother was a big part of it too. A disgruntled neighbor certainly isn't going to announce it, and have LE breathing down their necks.

Another thing, one person could have done this. Someone can bring a gun to a crime, but elect to not use it due to the noise so one or both women could have been threatened with a gun first. Much could depend on the personalities of the victims. I wonder exactly when Maxa's mother arrived at her mother's house. Maybe the intruder was unaware of the grandfather's passing. Perhaps lived on Matthews Rd., behind the house, and was unaware the daughter was also present in the house.

Aberdeen is a military proving ground. Maybe this was done by some whacko in the military who decided to substite military infiltration tactics in a controlled setting for those in real life. May have thought he was doing the elder lady a favor so she wouldn't be left alone without her husband or perhaps thought women her age had outlived their useless, and so thought she would not be missed all that much. Far-fetched, I know, but then psychopaths don't think like we do.

Right now I feel like we've all been dropped into one of those old serial shows. Maxa has headed to Japan, and we're left here in suspense until she gets back with more answers to our questions.
 
  • #119
Maxa, the newspaper article said your mother and grandmother spent time that evening at a relative's house. Would you happen to know who was present. Was anyone there other than family members?
 
  • #120

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