MD - Freddie Gray dies in police custody #2

[CuriousGuy]

"Oh, but wait, doing that would be ra....."

Hopefully, everyone here can have a conversation without delving into racial stereotypes. Do we know that people rioting were on government assistance? No, probably not. An assumption? You bet. I will now "scroll and roll" because the inability for some people to have a conversation is clear to me. Makes me sad.

That includes every one participating in this thread

 

[joypath]

Food for thought: "Overall, the city has paid roughly $6.3 million since 2011 to settle police-misconduct claims, according to a Baltimore Sun review of city and court records."

AND I ASK...........................How much of that money has been funneled into "community" or "healing the neighborhood" as so often is claimed as a solution/start to fix the miss cues of behavioral interaction within the various populations & law enforcement?

As a "child of the 60s", the destruction of one's environment, those buildings and stores owned by my neighbors and providing services to my community NEVER made any sense! It's a dichotomy of thought & action to demand government assistance to upgrade a geographical area and then destroy the same area as a "civil disobedience".

I remember when the OJ verdict was pending, the administration of the FQHC (federally qualified { read that as funded} health center) inner city health center where I volunteered had created an "escape route" for non-minority staff members, a defense of the building plan & a plan for the "protection" of minority staff IF they remained. All this and we were located less that 2 blocks from the police complex!

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/ma...ay-police-lawsuits-20150422-story.html#page=1

Civil protest CAN be carried out without destruction, destruction of property is criminal action, IMHO

 

[octobermoon]

I think all our school shooters here have been white. Columbine the most well known. I could be wrong.

 

[Woodland]

You are aware that US citizens don't actually vote or have a say in which countries we get to go into to become a "hero" in, right? We blink our eye & watch on the news how our soldiers are now over here or over there. Citizens have no power over those situations---all we can do is vote on politician choices. We have no say what happens after that. And don't think that politicians listen to us little guys---they listen to lobbyists representing big corporatism $$$.
Yep, that's how it works here.
I happen to live in America but I am a citizen of the world. I feel for our young soldiers from the USA that have had to aide citizens from other countries during many wars. They are much braver and less selfish than I.
If it was my "show", I wouldn't be so generous---I'd help my own country first. The others could fend for themselves; especially during these times. Now.

Moo

With all due respect - no way does the US go into another country without support of a vast amount, if not majority of citizens. You are better than that - but jmo.

 

[Nana]

Wow just wow... Fox News has a picture of ALL those people standing around for the Victory Rally, just think if each one of them picked up a broom, mop, a bucket, a hammer and nails any thing to clean up the mess or repair the broken windows the town just might make a come back!

 

[katydid23]

I think all our school shooters here have been white. Columbine the most well known. I could be wrong.

True. Whacked out kids going to the school and killing other students.

I was talking about s0mething different. Whacked out students using weapons during armed robberies etc, as a way to make money.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

Honestly if some communities want to be run by street/gang law that is fine with me. Why force police to patrol areas that are dangerous and where their presence is not wanted/supported?

However if those individuals that live in gang run neighborhoods venture outside of their communities then the rules change and they should be dealt with according to the standards of the community they offend.

Actually, your concept has great merit & may foreshadow how America lives a decade from now.....perhaps.
In the future, We can have designated sections where neighborhoods police themselves & do not utilize standard laws of the land & standard LE does not patrol there. It would be fenced off. Those that want to live there could but I betcha' there would be a lot of belly-aching quickly over the misery of that wild lifestyle. Gangster land wouldn't be very glamorous or safe.
And herein lies the rub.

If you're a criminal, you always need a victim. And you always need someone to blame it all on.

It's very simple.

Moo

 

[Nana]

With all due respect - no way does the US go into another country without support of a vast amount, if not majority of citizens. You are better than that - but jmo.

We have no say in it just like in your country!
What I and most others in the USA supports are our troops!

 

[Sonya610]

I think all our school shooters here have been white. Columbine the most well known. I could be wrong.

No doubt about it, the majority of spree killers and serial killers are in fact white. And those killings make up a tiny percentage of murders committed in the U.S. Regardless it says something about really peeved off white folks...mass murder is one of the things we excel at from a historical perspective.

Yet 51% of murders in this country are committed by....pretty sure I am not allowed to say or post links to statistics...so I will just say "teens" and their older counterparts.

We had best not get factual regarding murder rates or violent crime.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

With all due respect - no way does the US go into another country without support of a vast amount, if not majority of citizens. You are better than that - but jmo.

You are incorrect

 

[leah]

I can't believe what I'm reading here either. Sort of lost the fact, that six cops have been charged with some serious charges, all to do with what happened to a man in their custody. And I don't believe for a minute that FG caused his own death. While I believe most cops are decent and do their jobs properly, there are cops that don't follow the rules, and do whatever they want to do, and for some people they just don't want to accept that, and make excuses for these cops that really don't belong out on the streets.

 

[katydid23]

With all due respect - no way does the US go into another country without support of a vast amount, if not majority of citizens. You are better than that - but jmo.

I don't remember the citizens being polled about any of those decisions.

 

[KaaBoom]

So the cops have many struggles and physical fights. But it is THEIR fault when a suspect starts to resist arrest?

It's their job to arrest people, not to kill them.

 

[octobermoon]

True. Whacked out kids going to the school and killing other students.

I was talking about s0mething different. Whacked out students using weapons during armed robberies etc, as a way to make money.

Klebold and Harris had rap sheets. They were criminals and in the end mass murderers. Heck I don't like to go to the movies here anymore since James Holmes. Gun crimes aren't just committed by minorities.

 

[Woodland]

Lawsuits from rioters and criminals far surpass lawsuits from LE.....better spent on the community (wait a minute: they did spend a lot on the new senior community center that just got burnt to the ground!)

Moo

Not so sure you are following what was said - US citizens (law breakers included) receive an enormous amount of money each year for being wronged by LE. Billions in the last 10 years (using the last five years of millions as a reference). $4.5 million seems to be the current going rate for an unlawful killing. Add to that the beatings etc at about $650,000 per.

The senior community center in Baltimore should not have been burned down for any reason - it was a criminal act that should be addressed in the justice system - and paid for if it all possible by whoever is responsible. Jmo. Those in favor of LE reform do not necessarily think that burning, looting etc is an answer to the problem - albeit the accusation exists among LE supporters. Not helpful for a solution or meeting of the minds - jmo.

 

[Trident]

I can't believe what I'm reading here either. Sort of lost the fact, that six cops have been charged with some serious charges, all to do with what happened to a man in their custody. And I don't believe for a minute that FG caused his own death. While I believe most cops are decent and do their jobs properly, there are cops that don't follow the rules, and do whatever they want to do, and for some people they just don't want to accept that, and make excuses for these cops that really don't belong out on the streets.

True, but neither do the drug dealers, looters, rioters, drive-by shooters, home invaders, and a host of other evil doers. At least LE tries to clean up the street, while it seems to me the Powers that be make excuse after excuse for the criminals.

 

[Woodland]

Of course the recent, cherry picked videos do not show that.

Of course not - I very much agree. But you said you could help us out by showing the vast majority of LE killing of citizens involve the citizens having a weapon - specifically a gun. You said you would provide a link. Looking forward to that link to further educate myself.

 

[katydid23]

I can't believe what I'm reading here either. Sort of lost the fact, that six cops have been charged with some serious charges, all to do with what happened to a man in their custody. And I don't believe for a minute that FG caused his own death. While I believe most cops are decent and do their jobs properly, there are cops that don't follow the rules, and do whatever they want to do, and for some people they just don't want to accept that, and make excuses for these cops that really don't belong out on the streets.

Personally, I don't feel that these 6 cops were just doing 'whatever they wanted to do.' I think it was the perfect storm for a tragedy. It was wrong that they had a routine of allowing passengers to bounce around on the floor of the van. That was a bad habit for them to allow and it was obviously WRONG. However I do understand how it came to be. The suspects routinely resist, fight them, bite them, spit, kick, scream. So the cops get used to that kind of behavior and tune it out. they do what they need to do to get through their shifts.

I think it is sad that it is all looked at one sided right now. Like the cops are vicious bullies and the people they are surrounded by are ALL lovely peaceful beings. NO, the cops are on the defense when they are in certain neighborhoods. And they are doing so day after day.

There are a dozen innocent people being shot every week in Baltimore. And NOT by the cops.

 

[CuriousGuy]

Klebold and Harris had rap sheets. They were criminals and in the end mass murderers. Heck I don't like to go to the movies here anymore since James Holmes. Gun crimes aren't just committed by minorities.

Who here suggested such? Like Sonya mentioned earlier the statistics are there for any eyes that seek truth. Mentioning them here is apparently a no-no.

 

[MissSunshine]

Wow just wow... Fox News has a picture of ALL those people standing around for the Victory Rally, just think if each one of them picked up a broom, mop, a bucket, a hammer and nails any thing to clean up the mess or repair the broken windows the town just might make a come back!

I don't know about the people at the victory rally but there was a HUGE outpouring of support from the citizens of Baltimore as well as other places to help in the clean up efforts. Bob from The Walking Dead was helping clean up the CVS. (Big TWD fan..loved Bob)

Thing is, a lot of those boarded up houses and trash you see on the TV in that neighborhood was there before the riots even happened...