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I have the unpopular opinion that our Jane Doe isn't Anne Riggin or Virginia Welch. I'll elaborate if anyone's interested, but I'm just curious if anyone else thinks otherwise about who she is.
I have the unpopular opinion that our Jane Doe isn't Anne Riggin or Virginia Welch. I'll elaborate if anyone's interested, but I'm just curious if anyone else thinks otherwise about who she is.
LostWhy's that? Was she cremated or were her remains lost?
So they lost them after 2012?Lost
I would hope not. Surely the remains were found and examined again; isn't that why NCMEC updated her composite and lowered her age range down to 17-27?So they lost them after 2012?
I agree that teen runaways don't always encounter a killer, nor is abduction at the hands of a killer the reason they disappear. But they sometimes run into killers after they've left of their own volition, like Tammy Alexander did.Going back to some of my notes and theories for this case... I genuinely believe that Jane Doe was a lot younger than people actually realize. If I had to guess, she was in her early-20s when she passed away, maybe no older than 24 at the most. I mention this because of who I think is.
I also think Jane Doe was a teenage runaway, and she managed to survive for a few years on her own. It wouldn't be the first time a runaway has survived for a while.
Examples: In 1999, Jennifer Carbonell ran away from Florida when she was 17; she was located alive and well in 2008... She'd gone all the way to Pennsylvania and had even earned a college degree. Rachel Owens ran away from home in South Carolina back in 2011 at age 15; she used a fake name and birthdate the entire time she was gone-- she was eventually found in Columbus, Ohio at 20-years-old.
My point being: it's plausible for a runaway not to encounter a killer... however, I think our Jane Doe eventually met someone who had ill intentions.
Still going with the teenage runaway theory here...
It took me a while to suspect that the reason why her dentals can't be compared to a missing person is because she only saw a dentist after she ran away... The work is mainly consistent with how dental schools perform it? Possible explanation is that she had never been to a professional in the first 14-16 years of her life... she finally runs away, manages to survive for a while, and soon realizes... "Huh, maybe if I'm taking care of myself, I should look into how my teeth are doing."
I know there's some debate as to whether or not her wisdom teeth were actually causing discomfort, but if they were then that's probably what triggered her to consider stopping by a dental school. She has little to no money and has never had her teeth examined; a dental school is probably a safe bet. I guarantee you all she had to do, especially back in the mid-70s, was give a fake name. She probably convinced someone to examine her for free/at little cost (at least once) because she admitted that she'd never even been to a dentist. Even if she didn't give them a story, some schools were probably looking for volunteers--so she seized an opportunity.
Do I think her work was all done at once? Of course not. But I think she kept going back to dental schools even when some money came into her pocket. Someone might have gotten suspicious after a while, so I wouldn't rule out the fact that she went to two or three different dental schools (especially over the course of a few years).
And the reason why I believe she never saw a professional, even after running away, is because of her wisdom teeth. Some dental schools might remove the wisdom teeth... but not everyone is equipped. In her case, it probably would've been better to leave it in the hands of an oral surgeon. An oral surgeon is going to cost a great amount of money; if she doesn't have insurance and is using an alias, of course she's hesitant to go or she'll reject the idea altogether. (Side note: When I had all four of my wisdom teeth removed last year, my primary dentist referred me to an oral surgeon because the top teeth were greatly impacted; my dentist didn't feel comfortable doing it herself so she recommended me to the best person she could think of. So I believe Jane Doe was in a position to where, after a while, she still couldn't afford extensive care.)
You have to know who the person is to compare dentals...A lot of Jane Doe's have turned out to be teenagers. They didn't really track juveniles till 1985 when the National Center for Missing opened and every state appropriated funds for state clearinghouses. Almost all had been reported missing, but not really looked for. Most are found just one state over...
I have a theory on who it is... I'm just worried about looking like an idiot if it's not her. But everything seems to add up: circumstances, possible dental work, previous physical injuries, etc.
Go for it...I've been involved with this type of stuff for 20 years, and NOTHING is out of the realm...I don't discount age, race, height, eye color, sex, location or even date of disappearance...I've seen a case in California where they had the sex wrong for years, have seen height off by 4 inches...I've seen wrong races, age way off, and DOD off several times...I was involved with two IDs like that where the disappearance date was AFTER the unidentified was found...Tonya Gardner in PA was reported missing months after Jane Doe was found because her husband gave out misleading information...Touissant Gumbs in Richmond was literally found a week before he went missing and on the same block and not matched up for a decade...He bounced around relatives all the time and no one was really sure when he was last seen...I have a theory on who it is... I'm just worried about looking like an idiot if it's not her. But everything seems to add up: circumstances, possible dental work, previous physical injuries, etc.
Alright... well, here it goes. Ever since I came across her photo on NCMEC back in July, I couldn't help but wonder if the Jane Doe could be Kathy Wilcox. On July 12, it was the 50th "anniversary" of her disappearance. Fifty years... The only person who's still actively seeking answers is Kathy's younger sister, Karen. Kathy's brother allegedly stopped looking ages ago; both of Kathy's parents, as well as her stepmother, have since passed away from my understanding.I'd encourage you to turn your potential match in, or bring it here to be discussed. You won't look like an idiot (and it sounds like you have a carefully researched and thought out suggestion, so definitely not an idiot!)
Our main job in this thread is really to discuss possibilities, and ruling somebody out is an important part of the process. The majority of our submissions (collectively speaking) are probably ruled out fairly quickly. In a case this old, it's likely there is some mistake or discrepancy in the decedent's description that's causing a match to be overlooked, so even long shot suggestions are welcome.
Thanks. I was really worried about looking crazy by bringing up Kathy Wilcox. But I've been piecing this theory together since I discovered her case on NCMEC. A few weeks ago, I contacted Otsego Police Department and spoke to an officer; he relayed the information to the case detective. I even sent him an email with everything I've compiled together. No response.Okay, I'm going to have to go back through that to really absorb, but wow, you've made an excellent case.
Minor thing that jumped out: wisdom tooth removal was not routine in the 70s. It was a Big *advertiser censored* Deal when I had to have two of mine taken out in 1971. She would likely have been putting up with some pain for a while.