GUILTY MD - Hae Min Lee, 17, Baltimore, 13 Jan 1999 #2 (Conviction Reinstated)

[jennytrevor]

So disappointing. I understand he was a minor at the time but the circumstances deserve life imo. He killed her in cold blood.

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

Adnan Syed case: Judge to impose reduced sentence at Friday hearing

Adnan Syed will be formally re-sentenced on Friday, after a judge released an opinion last week stating that he should not serve any more prison time in connect

foxbaltimore.com

 

[oceanverde]

So happy for Adnan and here's to hoping he will actually get his decree of actual Innocence with the new information that has come to light!

 

[Soulmagent]

So happy for Adnan and here's to hoping he will actually get his decree of actual Innocence with the new information that has come to light!

I know!
I am so happy for him and his family.
That PD, an AG back then , the mess that B more put its people though for YEARS.
It is the closest thing I have seen to a miracle, outside of --ya know Jesus work.

 

[Slebby]

I’ve been catching up on some new information about this case on the recently re-upped podcast, Undisclosed. I came here expecting to see a ton of discussion, but there is none. Surprising. Please, go look for the Undisclosed podcast, now called Undisclosed: Toward Justice, and catch up on the recent investigative work, a bombshell, newly revealed facts. I’d love to see this discussed by websleuths.

 

[Ashleym324]

I’ve been catching up on some new information about this case on the recently re-upped podcast, Undisclosed. I came here expecting to see a ton of discussion, but there is none. Surprising. Please, go look for the Undisclosed podcast, now called Undisclosed: Toward Justice, and catch up on the recent investigative work, a bombshell, newly revealed facts. I’d love to see this discussed by websleuths.

Undisclosed is extremely bias and idk how anyone can trust Rabia, especially after finding out she believes Scott Peterson is innocent.
I recommend everyone listen to Crime Weekly’s series on this case if you don’t feel like digging up all the case files etc
I will always believe in his guilt for a few reasons:
1) he conveniently doesn’t remember a single moment of that day. A day one of his closest friends goes missing.
2) he calls her nonstop until she goes missing, then he never calls her again. If your best friend was missing, you’d be calling them. The “we thought she ran away to her dads” and “it was a snow day” is not an excuse to not call someone who you called literally ALL THE TIME.
3) hae’s accounts of his possessiveness.
4) Jenn and Jay giving the cops information before Hae’s body was found.
5) cell phone records showing Adnan visited leaken park after Jay was arrest (I forget the reason but Jay was taken in before Hae’s body was found). His phone pinged around the park and where Hae’s car were both eventually found. Everyone likes to forget this fact.
6) he was actually good friends with Jay but pretends he was just an acquaintance. Just an acquaintance you’re loaning your car and phone to? Just an acquaintance when you’ve been best friends with Stephanie who was dating Jay since middle school? Just riding around all night and smoking weed with your acquaintance? Okay.
7) not to mention they did go to the mall together prior and Adnan told Jay that he was going to kill Hae. Jay mentions this in earlier interviews.
8) Jenn knew details she shouldn’t haven’t known, from Jay, before she even went to go talk to the police.

Adnan is guilty as hell. Anyone who falls for his act fell for the media’s agenda.

Also, never trust a Gemini man. (I say this only half joking)

 

[jennytrevor]

Undisclosed is extremely bias and idk how anyone can trust Rabia, especially after finding out she believes Scott Peterson is innocent.
I recommend everyone listen to Crime Weekly’s series on this case if you don’t feel like digging up all the case files etc
I will always believe in his guilt for a few reasons:
1) he conveniently doesn’t remember a single moment of that day. A day one of his closest friends goes missing.
2) he calls her nonstop until she goes missing, then he never calls her again. If your best friend was missing, you’d be calling them. The “we thought she ran away to her dads” and “it was a snow day” is not an excuse to not call someone who you called literally ALL THE TIME.
3) hae’s accounts of his possessiveness.
4) Jenn and Jay giving the cops information before Hae’s body was found.
5) cell phone records showing Adnan visited leaken park after Jay was arrest (I forget the reason but Jay was taken in before Hae’s body was found). His phone pinged around the park and where Hae’s car were both eventually found. Everyone likes to forget this fact.
6) he was actually good friends with Jay but pretends he was just an acquaintance. Just an acquaintance you’re loaning your car and phone to? Just an acquaintance when you’ve been best friends with Stephanie who was dating Jay since middle school? Just riding around all night and smoking weed with your acquaintance? Okay.
7) not to mention they did go to the mall together prior and Adnan told Jay that he was going to kill Hae. Jay mentions this in earlier interviews.
8) Jenn knew details she shouldn’t haven’t known, from Jay, before she even went to go talk to the police.

Adnan is guilty as hell. Anyone who falls for his act fell for the media’s agenda.

Also, never trust a Gemini man. (I say this only half joking)

Thank you for this very good summary of Adnan's guilt. Anyone who believes he's innocent fell for Serial and can't recognize an obvious case of the classic "scorned man kills former lover" crime that has been happening as long as humanity has been around.

 

[oceanverde]

I’ve been catching up on some new information about this case on the recently re-upped podcast, Undisclosed. I came here expecting to see a ton of discussion, but there is none. Surprising. Please, go look for the Undisclosed podcast, now called Undisclosed: Toward Justice, and catch up on the recent investigative work, a bombshell, newly revealed facts. I’d love to see this discussed by websleuths.

Me too! More information just keeps coming to light that points to his innocence. I hope the DNA that was mentioned is being tested by the police but I doubt it.

 

[oceanverde]

Thank you for this very good summary of Adnan's guilt. Anyone who believes he's innocent fell for Serial and can't recognize an obvious case of the classic "scorned man kills former lover" crime that has been happening as long as humanity has been around.

I didn't "fall" for anything but I have been paying attention to the evidence that has come out since then and none it points to Adnan being the killer.

 

[jennytrevor]

I didn't "fall" for anything but I have been paying attention to the evidence that has come out since then and none it points to Adnan being the killer.

I'm sorry, but I haven't met an Adnan supporter yet who isn't ignoring obvious facts. What do you say to all of the points in the post I replied to?

No one who has fallen for an agenda ever believes they have been influenced.

 

[Soulmagent]

I'm sorry, but I haven't met an Adnan supporter yet who isn't ignoring obvious facts. What do you say to all of the points in the post I replied to?

No one who has fallen for an agenda ever believes they have been influenced.

I think Adnan is factually Innocent.
I did a lot of research on that case and in a lot of other cases in an around Baltimore.
Read so many documents and even pulled the Vin from carfax and located where that car was in 2016. I could talk to you all day about silly things that are wild to consider.

Like Jackie the hair stylist had a shop right next to Methany's bbq (serial killer) place . Next to the place Jay worked for 5 minutes. (video store) Or The bus driver (hendrix) lived in the same wood green circle address Kim Dixon went missing from . And so much more , who ever murdered Hae had a connection to wood green circle..imo..Lot of murder cases an missing peoples case do seem to intersect there .
But I love the way I fell for some agenda.

 

[Slebby]

Thank you for this very good summary of Adnan's guilt. Anyone who believes he's innocent fell for Serial and can't recognize an obvious case of the classic "scorned man kills former lover" crime that has been happening as long as humanity has been around.

There is a lot of water under the bridge since Serial. I encourage you to listen to the newest updates on Undisclosed and then check back here with your impression.

IMO

 

[Ashleym324]

I think Adnan is factually Innocent.
I did a lot of research on that case and in a lot of other cases in an around Baltimore.
Read so many documents and even pulled the Vin from carfax and located where that car was in 2016. I could talk to you all day about silly things that are wild to consider.

Like Jackie the hair stylist had a shop right next to Methany's bbq (serial killer) place . Next to the place Jay worked for 5 minutes. (video store) Or The bus driver (hendrix) lived in the same wood green circle address Kim Dixon went missing from . And so much more , who ever murdered Hae had a connection to wood green circle..imo..Lot of murder cases an missing peoples case do seem to intersect there .
But I love the way I fell for some agenda.

How do you explain the phone calls pinging where Hae’s body was plus where her car was after Jay was picked up by police before Hae was found? What does the video store have to do with Hae’s murder when Jae didn’t work there at the time?

There is a lot of water under the bridge since Serial. I encourage you to listen to the newest updates on Undisclosed and then check back here with your impression.

IMO

Undisclosed are blinded by their own biases along with Truth and Justice and Serial. None of them are going to look at evidence and be like “well actually he could maybe be guilty because this is a little suspicious”. Not to mention they all known Adnan so of course they’re not going to say anything to point to his guilt.

 

[Slebby]

I believe you may not be on top of the current information on this case. I believe you are relying on old “facts”. Serial came out in 2014.

As far as bias, if you believe Rabia is biased, I don’t believe you can say the same about Colin Miller. I think the work done by Susan Simpson on Undisclosed a few years back was genius. I think, if you listened to the current season with an open mind, it might be changed. There are some interesting revelations. I also really appreciated the work done by Becky Feldman, an attorney who worked under Marilyn Mosby’s administration, and the interview with her in one of the recent episodes.

If you listened to the Prosecutors podcast in this case, and then followed that with Bob Ruff Truth and Justice podcast response to the Prosecutors, I believe Ruff’s summation of the case is flat out masterful.

This case is very compelling. Serial pulled me in, but it certainly didn’t, in my opinion, make a case for or against his guilt. Like I said, so much has happened since then.

IMHO

 

[oceanverde]

I believe you may not be on top of the current information on this case. I believe you are relying on old “facts”. Serial came out in 2014.

As far as bias, if you believe Rabia is biased, I don’t believe you can say the same about Colin Miller. I think the work done by Susan Simpson on Undisclosed a few years back was genius. I think, if you listened to the current season with an open mind, it might be changed. There are some interesting revelations. I also really appreciated the work done by Becky Feldman, an attorney who worked under Marilyn Mosby’s administration, and the interview with her in one of the recent episodes.

If you listened to the Prosecutors podcast in this case, and then followed that with Bob Ruff Truth and Justice podcast response to the Prosecutors, I believe Ruff’s summation of the case is flat out masterful.

This case is very compelling. Serial pulled me in, but it certainly didn’t, in my opinion, make a case for or against his guilt. Like I said, so much has happened since then.

IMHO

Well said!

 

[Ashleym324]

I believe you may not be on top of the current information on this case. I believe you are relying on old “facts”. Serial came out in 2014.

As far as bias, if you believe Rabia is biased, I don’t believe you can say the same about Colin Miller. I think the work done by Susan Simpson on Undisclosed a few years back was genius. I think, if you listened to the current season with an open mind, it might be changed. There are some interesting revelations. I also really appreciated the work done by Becky Feldman, an attorney who worked under Marilyn Mosby’s administration, and the interview with her in one of the recent episodes.

If you listened to the Prosecutors podcast in this case, and then followed that with Bob Ruff Truth and Justice podcast response to the Prosecutors, I believe Ruff’s summation of the case is flat out masterful.

This case is very compelling. Serial pulled me in, but it certainly didn’t, in my opinion, make a case for or against his guilt. Like I said, so much has happened since then.

IMHO

I’ve been following the case since 2015/2016. I can’t stand rabia or bob ruff. I honestly can’t stand the prosecutors podcast either (they strike me as very misogynistic). I listened to everything back then, tried to listen to the prosecutors last year and couldn’t stand it.

I don’t know what “new” information I could possibly be missing. That his DNA wasn’t on her shoe?

 

[Slebby]

I’ve been following the case since 2015/2016. I can’t stand rabia or bob ruff. I honestly can’t stand the prosecutors podcast either (they strike me as very misogynistic). I listened to everything back then, tried to listen to the prosecutors last year and couldn’t stand it.

I don’t know what “new” information I could possibly be missing. That his DNA wasn’t on her shoe?

I can’t stand the Prosecutors, I found them very arrogant. When I first encountered Bob Ruff, I couldn’t stand him either. He’s gotten better with experience, imo. And he is very thorough in his undoing of the prosecutors take on the case. If you hate the Prosecutors, you might love to see him shred them to pieces
IMHO

 

[jennytrevor]

What I’m hearing is “if you follow these random crime blogs with clear agendas and believe these bizarre connections that are likely meaningless, while at the same time ignoring some the largest pieces of evidence pointing to Adnan’s guilt, you’ll think he’s innocent too!”

 

[oceanverde]

What I’m hearing is “if you follow these random crime blogs with clear agendas and believe these bizarre connections that are likely meaningless, while at the same time ignoring some the largest pieces of evidence pointing to Adnan’s guilt, you’ll think he’s innocent too!”

What I'm hearing is you were convinced of his guilt from the start and won't even consider any further evidence that has been uncovered nor are you critical of any of the evidence against him.

 

[Ashleym324]

I can’t stand the Prosecutors, I found them very arrogant. When I first encountered Bob Ruff, I couldn’t stand him either. He’s gotten better with experience, imo. And he is very thorough in his undoing of the prosecutors take on the case. If you hate the Prosecutors, you might love to see him shred them to pieces
IMHO

He honestly sounds just as arrogant to me. I’d rather not waste my time with bob ruff tbh.