GUILTY MD - Korryn Gaines, 23, fatally shot by Baltimore police, 1 Aug 2016

  • #381
It seems to me that the police DID proceed with caution...she proved every bit as crazy as they thought she was. So because of her craziness, the cops should just back off and let her go?

And police also knew her BF, Kareem Courtney, career criminal, was in there as well, since they were serving him with an arrest warrant, too. And he had a conviction for attempted murder, and firearm charges, and drugs, and violent assault. So yes, they were proceeding with caution, as they also knew there were 2 very small children in there, and 2 people with very dangerous histories.
 
  • #382
What I hear in vid suggests the second LEO may not know 'her' individually/personally, just that he has seen that type of plate before & knows about the 'SovCitizen thinking' of ppl who put those 'tags' on their cars.

Can someone hear all of what the officers say & correct my (possibly mis-heard) version? Thx in adv.


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In vid ~ 2m 45s, after MsGaines refused to give her DL to LEO#1, while LEO#2 is at her passenger window, (my paraphrasing)

LEO#1: Have you seen that tag?
LEO#2: Yeh, I've seen [something like that][ [a tag like that? [seen it before?].

LEO#1: Do you know who she is?
LEO#2: Yeh. [my note:I can't tell what he said]

[video=youtube;llnoIsAk66g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llnoIsAk66g[/video]
 
  • #383
This is interesting-- I had no idea until today that police were at the apartment to serve BOTH Korryn Gaines AND her boyfriend, Kareem Courtney, with arrest warrants. BOTH of them. Not just Korryn Gaines.

See, for me, that sheds a lot of new light on the whole situation.

And in this news release from Baltimore County Police, we find out that the heroin was found pursuant to a valid search warrant. AND-- it was found in the KITCHEN. Where a 1 year old and a 5 year old have access to food.





http://www.baltimorecountymd.gov/Ne...em_Courtney_Charged_With_Heroin_Distribution_

Me too. I did not know they were there to get Her bf. Even more reason as to why LE could have found a better time and place to make these arrests. FOR THEIR OWN SAFETY!
 
  • #384
What better time and place could have been found? One where neither he nor she had the children? When and where might that be?
 
  • #385
What better time and place could have been found? One where neither he nor she had the children? When and where might that be?

Outside. Where the likelyhood of having firearms is diminished. And even if they were carrying, could have taken them by surprise. Some departments do this regularly when apprehending potentially violent perps.

It's just a thought. A possible way to limit shootout type situations. Sometimes I truly wonder if some of these cops don't seek out these types of combative situations just so they can put their training to good use and fist bump each when they get to blow someone away.

Seriously, that is becoming the optics of it. At least from an outsider looking in. Whether true or not, the perception needs to change so that we can get back to trusting each other.
JMO
 
  • #386
Outside. Where the likelyhood of having firearms is diminished. And even if they were carrying, could have taken them by surprise. Some departments do this regularly when apprehending potentially violent perps.
It's just a thought. A possible way to limit shootout type situations....

sbm^ Outside? Meaning outside her apt & apt complex? And when the BF and her kids were not w her? Okay, I can agree in those circumstances she - or anyone - might be less likely to have gun, than if she were in apt. That's azz-uming she does not 'carry' (which ppl do, with or without a permit authorizing it).

But where & when specifically might that be? Would LE need to do a stakeout for days to learn her personal routine? IIRC, LE's Incident Report re 911 domestic violence call (in June this yr for BF leaving red marks & scratches on her), neither of the two of them was employed, or at least reported no employment to LE. How does LE scope out where to find a person like this to serve a warrant, if not at home? Admittedly, a firefight while serving warrant at an apt endangers ppl in other apts too.

Maybe officers could learn her routine outside the apt: daily starting at noon for three hours, MTWTF & S, she alternates at six places: hairdresser, Bible study, library volunteer, Chamber of Commerce wk'ly lunch, choir practice, & delivering drugs for BF. Okay, how does LEOs learning her routine make warrant-serving safer, if she is still surrounded by people who may be endangered if her resistance leads to LE use of force? Unilkely imo many 'outside' the apt locations would allow LEO to serve warrant on her by herself w nobody else around.

JM2cts, could be wrong.
 
  • #387
So police when they serve warrants must now assume that there will be a firefight and adjust their warrant serving to those circumstances? Says a whole lot more about the perps these days than it does about the police...
 
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Well, he's probably right, but in all fairness, this statement was put out by the family's attorney, not the district attorney/ prosecutor. So it's not exactly the "final" word.

The family's attorney, J. Wyndal Gordon, told the Daily News on Tuesday that he doesn't foresee any criminal charges in the Aug. 1 shooting at Gaines’ Randallstown, Md., apartment. Gordon said he will meet Wednesday with Baltimore County State's Attorney Scott Shellenberger to discuss the case.

"'Basically, 'We investigated ourselves, and we found that we didn't do anything wrong,'" Gordon said. "That's what I expect them to say."

Shellenberger's office released a statement Tuesday saying he will not comment on the case until after meeting with Gaines' family and their lawyers.

Prosecutors feel that any decisions on charges should "be first communicated to the family of Ms. Gaines before statements to the public are made."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...andoff-killed-korryn-gaines-article-1.2799786

I certainly hope that none of the officers face any charges in this case.

I'm sure there will be a show of the family attorney asking for a civil rights investigation by the DOJ, but that doesn't seem warranted, in this case, IMO. I don't know if they would investigate the case, or not, based on the facts. I'm not sure what the procedure is for the DOJ accepting a case, vs declining. But if the family wants a federal look at it, I'm fine with that. I don't think any of her rights were violated. She was given extreme deference, over a very long period of the standoff, when she made the decision to shoot. All she had to do was simply cooperate with the officers, and she would still be alive. She made a lot of very bad decisions, over time, IMO. It's just too bad she did what she did.
 
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I'm interested to see what the autopsy report toxicology will show for KG, now that we have learned about the heroin found in the kitchen of the apartment (search warrant).

I don't think that the wrongful death lawsuit will go anywhere, particularly if she is found to be under the influence of illegal substances, which seems likely. I don't think there is any way the family could prevail in that lawsuit. JMO.

Homicide detectives found the heroin during execution of a search warrant at the apartment; this was part of their criminal investigation of the police-involved shooting. Three bags containing 75 capsules of an off-white substance -- later determined through forensic examination to be heroin -- were found in the kitchen. The heroin totaled 26.7 grams.

http://www.baltimorecountymd.gov/New..._Distribution_
 
  • #393
If her family collects $10 it will be a shame IMO. This woman was 100% liable for her own death.
Family members profitting off of their loved ones' criminal acts has got to stop IMO.
 
  • #394
Fatal shooting of Korryn Gaines by Maryland police officer ‘justified,’ prosecutors say

A Baltimore-area police officer was “justified” in fatally shooting Korryn Gaines after a seven-hour standoff, prosecutors said Wednesday.

Baltimore County State’s Attorney Scott Shellenberger announced prosecutors will not file any charges against the officer who shot the 23-year-old woman and her 5-year-old son Kodi at her Randallstown, Md., home on Aug. 1. He also revealed more details about a shooting that drew protests and a wrongful death lawsuit.

Shellenberger informed Gaines' family of his office's decision not to file charges in a meeting Wednesday before the announcement.

New detail revealed:

Gaines' boyfriend tried to take Kodi with him, but Kodi "ran back to his mother," investigators said. Courtney told officers she was suffering from a mental illness and had not been taking her medicine, according to Shellenberger.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...aines-justified-prosecutors-article-1.2801015

The wrongful death suit alleges Gaines offered to surrender and other differences from the account released by Shellenberger's office on Wednesday. Kenneth Ravenell, an attorney for Kodi, slammed prosecutors, the Sun reported.

"She stated that the police were the devils, that they were crazy, that she had been unjustly kidnapped by the police, that the government had kidnapped her fiancé, that the police were only at her apartment because she was black, that when she and her son were dead, the news would report it and the world would know and that it would be worth it as she took at least one of the officers with her, that she was absolutely not coming out."

The family will have an extremely difficult time proceeding and prevailing in their wrongful death lawsuit, with the decision of the prosecutor that the shooting was lawfully justified.

More:

State's Attorney Scott Shellenberger informed Gaines' family and their lawyers of the decision during a meeting in Towson. He also sent a letter to the county Police Department, writing that the officer who killed the 23-year-old Randallstown woman at the end of an hours-long standoff Aug. 1 fired the fatal shots because he feared for his safety when Gaines pointed a shotgun at officers.

"Based upon all of the circumstances, it is determined that this shooting was justified and the State will take no further action," Shellenberger wrote.

Shellenberger said in an interview Wednesday that investigators believe the bullet that hit Kodi first went through his mother.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/bs-md-co-shellenberger-gaines-20160921-story.html
 
  • #395
A motions hearing is scheduled Friday in Baltimore County Circuit Court ahead of a civil trial in the case of Korryn Gaines, the Randallstown woman who was shot and killed by a county police officer during a 2016 standoff that she partially broadcast on Facebook.

A two-week trial is set to start next week in the wrongful-death lawsuit brought by Gaines’ family. At the hearing Friday, lawyers for the county will attempt to convince Judge Mickey Norman to dismiss the family’s claims.

Gaines, 23, was shot and killed in August 2016 by tactical officer Royce Ruby Jr. during the hours-long standoff at her apartment. Ruby also twice hit her son, Kodi, who was then 5, when he fired at Gaines, according to the family’s complaint.

Gaines’ family is suing the county, Ruby and four other county police officers.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/ma...md-co-gaines-case-advance-20180125-story.html
 
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