GUILTY MD - Korryn Gaines, 23, fatally shot by Baltimore police, 1 Aug 2016

[Elley Mae]

http://touch.baltimoresun.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-88028388/

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"During that time further movement could be heard inside the location and a small child was heard crying," states the warrant, which was issued Monday. Two officers went to the rental office to ask for a key.

But after using the key, officers still could not open the door because of an interior chain lock, the warrant states. Officers could see a woman sitting on the floor and asked her to come to the door, but she refused.

One officer then "kicked the door forcing the door open" and another entered the apartment and saw the woman, later identified as Gaines, holding a shotgun, the warrant states. She pointed the shotgun at an officer and told them to leave, police wrote in the documents. The officer left and called for backup.


So after gaining entry and she points a gun they were suppose to leave and not return? That is not going to happen and never will. I hope other folks that think of trying that think twice. jmo

 

[KaaBoom]

Interesting info from the FBI on Sovereign Citizens. (Domestic Terrorism)
https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/n...stic-terrorism-the-sovereign-citizen-movement

That article is highly misleading. The only thing in that article that comes close to terrorism is the part about threatening judges, law enforcement professionals, and government personnel. I don’t believe that more then a small number of people affiliated with the Sovereign Citizen movement are involved in that type of activity. If they were they would already be in prison. Refusing to pay taxes certainly does not equal terrorism. If it does then most of the richest people in this country are terrorists.

 

[scmom]

Southern Poverty Law Center
https://www.splcenter.org/resources?keyword=sovereign+citizens

 

[KaaBoom]

snipped from article.


"During that time further movement could be heard inside the location and a small child was heard crying," states the warrant, which was issued Monday. Two officers went to the rental office to ask for a key.

But after using the key, officers still could not open the door because of an interior chain lock, the warrant states. Officers could see a woman sitting on the floor and asked her to come to the door, but she refused.

One officer then "kicked the door forcing the door open" and another entered the apartment and saw the woman, later identified as Gaines, holding a shotgun, the warrant states. She pointed the shotgun at an officer and told them to leave, police wrote in the documents. The officer left and called for backup.


So after gaining entry and she points a gun they were suppose to leave and not return? That is not going to happen and never will. I hope other folks that think of trying that think twice. jmo

Not only can it but it did happen, it did happen. For the third time. They backed off once, they could have backed off again. Their options were unlimited.

 

[Elley Mae]

Not only can it but it did happen. For the third time. They backed off once, they could have backed off again. Their options were unlimited.

That's not the way it works.

 

[KaaBoom]

That's not the way it works.

Did you even read the relevant part of the article you asked me for? They did back off once. They could have backed off again.

 

[Elley Mae]

Did you even read the relevant part of the article you asked me for? They did back off once. They could have backed off again.

And again that is not the way it happens. They don't walk away from someone saying I'm going to kill you. You will either give up and go peacefully or hold out and get shot. Pretty simple. jmo

 

[galiuro]

So one is to be permitted to point a shotgun at a cop and the cops should just shrug and say 'oh my bad' and walk away? This after they were serving a legal warrant on the individual? After said individual in previous encounter threatened to kill them? In today's atmosphere?

Her boyfriend was dealing heroin but I imagine that wasn't his fault either and the cops should just let him go too...

 

[Kakidoll]

Sure, they could just walk away and say.. OK you win. You don't need to follow our laws. Then when she shoots someone, or her child, everyone would be demanding the police pay because 'they could have stopped her, but they let a known mentally ill woman with a shotgun make the rules'. Warped thinking. Again, the 'I'm special' excuse.

 

[Elley Mae]

Not only can it but it did happen, it did happen. For the third time. They backed off once, they could have backed off again. Their options were unlimited.

bbm Them leaving the door and calling for backup is not them backing off.

She pointed the shotgun at an officer and told them to leave, police wrote in the documents. The officer left and called for backup.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/bs-md-co-korryn-gaines-warrant-20160803-story.html

 

[Dogface]

I just don't understand what you think they should have done Kaaboom? Just left, leaving a dangerous person with a child? Who has her children in a home where there are drugs being sold as well? What if one of those little ones would have gotten into those drugs? What if someone got it in their mind there was a safe of drug money in that house that was worth stealing? So many different scenarios where these kids were directly, as a result of adults in that house, put in grave danger. I think it's important to remember the male ran out with the baby TO the police, knowing he himself would be arrested. That to me speaks volumes about the level of fear he must have felt in there.

This woman said she would kill cops. By leaving, they could have put any cop sitting in a car alone in danger, or the next cop who stopped her. When someone tells me what they intend to do or are capable of I tend to take their word with matters like this. And cops exhausted several options, even letting family come to try and talk her down. But after hours and hours, at some point, things have to end. Criminals cannot hijack the lives of those around them, what about people who needed to get to their apartments? They should just have to go to a hotel while cops wait for someone threatening to kill them to give up, something that may not happen? Or the cops should back off and just let a dangerous person continue to be free? I don't understand and I'm trying really hard.

 

[flourish]

I think she is into the same type of anti govt movement as the Dallas police shooter was. Timothy McVeigh was into the anti govt mivement as well.

It started out as white people and now it has spread to blacks, it seems.

It is similar to the Malheur stand off people as well.

It would be humorous if there were not often such tragic consequences. These people are obviously dedicated believers to the idea that if the US govt is unjust, it is their right to fight against it, It is quite a common sentiment, not just to radical groups either.

It seems like people have their own ideas of when it is right and just to fight against the govt.

Yeah so Mr flourish's BFF is one of these folks (funny how my auto-correct tried to make that say "fools"). He just recently explained in great detail how it is perfectly legal to drive without a license, and whatever amendment or whatever he mentioned and I later looked up, had that same wording as was on her fake license plate.

But yet I still just wasn't convinced that I should have, at that point, not renewed my license which happened to be able to expire.

I'm so frequently amazed by the things people choose to believe.

This poor little guy. I hope he's put into good care and therapy.

 

[Ladylub]

Did you even read the relevant part of the article you asked me for? They did back off once. They could have backed off again.

How many times should they "back off"? They only "backed off" because they needed to call for backup and get things in place because she turned a warranty being served into a hostage situation.

 

[al66pine]

.... The mother was not threatening her child in anyway. The child would have been fine if the cops didn’t shoot him....

^sbm "The mother was not threatening her child in anyway." bbm I was not there and do not know everything Ms Gaines said and did. She may not have made verbal threats, e.g., "I'll shoot you if you make a sound' to her child. IDK. May not have made verbal threats, e.g., "I'll shoot my son if you/police come in' to LEOs. IDK. I'll accept MSM stmts quoting LEOs saying that she pointed gun at the boy & at LEOs, as fact, at least for this post.

W a shotgun or other firearm, she endangered the child & any person within range by pointing gun at them. Whether deliberately pointing at child (LEOs or others), or not. Whether intending to fire at child (LEOs or others) or not. Whether joking or not.

Because S**T HAPPENS. Any one or some of the following could have happened, causing her to fire gun, & injure or kill child (and/or LEOs and/or others).
Child could move toward mother, bump her arm w finger on trigger, make her flinch. Boom.
Unexpected noise, even a phone ringing, could startle her, make her finger twitch & fire gun. Boom.
An insect could land on her face or arm, startling her, making her finger twitch & fire gun. Boom
An earthquake* could occur, causing her to tighten finger & pull trigger. Boom.
{ETA: If Ms Gaines had taken lawfully prescribed drugs, someone's Rx, illegal drugs, alcohol in an amt to impair, etc. the effects or side-effects on her may have caused her act in a way to cause harm to her son or others. Or maybe the drugs ingested, intended to calm her, were wearing off and she may have become very agitated and she may have been inclined to injure or kill son. IDK. }

Someone may say "The child would have been fine if the cops didn’t shoot him" but that conclusion is far from the realm of certainty. During seven hour standoff Ms Gaines may not have made any verbal threats re child, her actions in pointing gun at her son (and/or LEOs) endangered him & others.
JM2cts.


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* Earthquakes in MD? Yes: http://www.mgs.md.gov/geology/geohazards/earthquakes_and_maryland.html
See "Table 3: Earthquake chronology of Maryland" showing 43 earthquakes in the state from 1990 to present.

 

[drjones]

if they had backed off or left and the woman had killed the child and/or herself then the usual cast of characters would still be lining up to criticize the racist bloodthirsty police who didnt care enough about a black child to even stay there and try to save him etc...

 

[human]

I just don't understand what you think they should have done Kaaboom? Just left, leaving a dangerous person with a child? Who has her children in a home where there are drugs being sold as well? What if one of those little ones would have gotten into those drugs? What if someone got it in their mind there was a safe of drug money in that house that was worth stealing? So many different scenarios where these kids were directly, as a result of adults in that house, put in grave danger. I think it's important to remember the male ran out with the baby TO the police, knowing he himself would be arrested. That to me speaks volumes about the level of fear he must have felt in there.

This woman said she would kill cops. By leaving, they could have put any cop sitting in a car alone in danger, or the next cop who stopped her. When someone tells me what they intend to do or are capable of I tend to take their word with matters like this. And cops exhausted several options, even letting family come to try and talk her down. But after hours and hours, at some point, things have to end. Criminals cannot hijack the lives of those around them, what about people who needed to get to their apartments? They should just have to go to a hotel while cops wait for someone threatening to kill them to give up, something that may not happen? Or the cops should back off and just let a dangerous person continue to be free? I don't understand and I'm trying really hard.

He was perfectly willing to live with her. He may have run out to save hinself from being killed by the police. Holding the baby, he probably figured he would not get shot.

Since he was the big criminal with his warrant and he was out of the way, LE could have left and confabbed on what to do about her instead of being in the confrontational situation,

I have seen numerous videos of white men with guns threatening LE and they are not shot, A youtube search will reveal them

 

[human]

And again that is not the way it happens. They don't walk away from someone saying I'm going to kill you. You will either give up and go peacefully or hold out and get shot. Pretty simple. jmo

There are videos of white men doing that exact thing and they are not dead

 

[katydid23]

He was perfectly willing to live with her. He may have run out to save hinself from being killed by the police. Holding the baby, he probably figured he would not get shot.

Since he was the big criminal with his warrant and he was out of the way, LE could have left and confabbed on what to do about her instead of being in the confrontational situation,

I have seen numerous videos of white men with guns threatening LE and they are not shot, A youtube search will reveal them

AND there are numerous white men with guns who ARE shot, and numerous blacks with guns not shot, and numerous who are shot....it is a case by case situation.

 

[KaaBoom]

How many times should they "back off"?

As many times as they need, not to shoot a child.

 

[katydid23]

There are videos of white men doing that exact thing and they are not dead

Implying that this is a racial situation is unfair to the cops. They did not come to her door because of her race. She ,herself, set up this hostage situation. They were there with a valid warrant for her arrest.

She pointed a shotgun at the cops and threatened to kill them. It was not her 'race' that got her killed. It was her own violent streak and hot headed resistance to a valid arrest that ended her life. White, black, or otherwise, she was asking for a lethal showdown.