MD - Phylicia Barnes, 16, Baltimore, 28 Dec 2010 #3

[cluciano63]

As in any case, the main POI/last person to see the victim needs to clear themselves/help LE clear them, so that LE can move on and it doesn't seem as though MJ is willing or able to do this.

 

[MsOh]

As in any case, the main POI/last person to see the victim needs to clear themselves/help LE clear them, so that LE can move on and it doesn't seem as though MJ is willing or able to do this.

Yes, absolutely. If he is innocent, his attorney needs to get on the dang ball and tell the man to help LE in any way that he can. You don't prove your innocence by denying information and hindering progress of an investigation. Argh!!

Also, and this is not related to the above quote by cluciano, but the theory of new girlfriend coming by is a very interesting one! But, I don't think it's the case for only one reason: Why would MJ put his life on the line (as far as being suspected as the main culprit by most familiar with the case) for a new girl he's dating? I can't see it happening (that doesn't mean it didn't). I think his alliance in that case would fall with the Barnes....despite their break up. But then again, if he freaked out and helped her hide the body, I suppose he'd be afraid of being an accessory. So... never mind, this scenario is completely possible. Argh, so many possibilities.

 

[cluciano63]

I don't think the answer lies in anyone other than those who LE is already dealing with, or trying to deal with...

 

[investigate1]

Yes, absolutely. If he is innocent, his attorney needs to get on the dang ball and tell the man to help LE in any way that he can. You don't prove your innocence by denying information and hindering progress of an investigation. Argh!!

I think he is as guilty as a student who gets caught cheating on a test. I feel like that because when MJ was explaining his activity while on the find PB group on FB, he was dragging his feet. Never did he say I didn't do nothing. Never did he say, I would never do anything like that. Never did he say, I would never harm PB. He was acting just like Jason Blu Griffith, the man who killed/murdered Debbie Narvaez (Vegas Show Girl). I read what MJ said. I was on the outside looking in. Now I wish I would have asked questions too. I would have grilled him hard but other people were doing that.

 

[Cubby]

I don't think the answer lies in anyone other than those who LE is already dealing with, or trying to deal with...

I agree. Let's not forget (as another poster mentioned) MJ was in the apartment when contact with PB ceased. IIRC that was sometime around 10-11 with what we believe to be verbal communication (if what DB is saying is true). That leaves MJ a few hours to act as PB electronically. Then allegedly his phone is going to run out of battery. But he doesn't have a cord to plug it in at the apartment? Wouldn't most people say my battery is dying let me plug in the phone and call you back? Instead at appx 1:04 MJ is now conveniently unavailable by claiming his phone battery is dead and he conveniently has no wall or car phone charger to use his phone and the next contact is sometime after 6 pm when he returns DB's calls about searching for PB. This gives MJ a good 1-2 hour window to have done something to PB and than another 4-5 hour window to dispose of her.

Something stinks here and it smells like MJ to me.

JMO

ETA: imo the LAST thing someone is going to pack is their cell phone charger if they don't have a land line. And if they happen to pack it, no doubt they have a working car charger. I do not buy for a second MJ's phone was unavailable to him due to no battery. BS!

 

[Cubby]

Yes, absolutely. If he is innocent, his attorney needs to get on the dang ball and tell the man to help LE in any way that he can. You don't prove your innocence by denying information and hindering progress of an investigation. Argh!!

Also, and this is not related to the above quote by cluciano, but the theory of new girlfriend coming by is a very interesting one! But, I don't think it's the case for only one reason: Why would MJ put his life on the line (as far as being suspected as the main culprit by most familiar with the case) for a new girl he's dating? I can't see it happening (that doesn't mean it didn't). I think his alliance in that case would fall with the Barnes....despite their break up. But then again, if he freaked out and helped her hide the body, I suppose he'd be afraid of being an accessory. So... never mind, this scenario is completely possible. Argh, so many possibilities.

BBM. I agree. While possible, there is no logical reason MJ would not have consulted with his attorney and he and his attorney gone to LE with this information. His attorney would be well versed in how to bring that to LE and work with the DA's office for a deal for his client. Per LE's MSM statements we know that is not what is happening and LE has no communication with MJ (that we know of). Hence highly unlikely someone other than MJ is the main person with answers or if my suspicions are accurate the main perp with regards to PB's disappearance.

JMO

 

[Cubby]

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/ma...rmann-barnes-missing-20110131,0,4825537.story


Snippets from above msm article:

Police pulled together a squad of six detectives — ones with the highest arrest and conviction rates — taking them off other cases to devote their time to finding Phylicia, turning this into one of the department's most exhaustive missing-person investigations in years.

"We're not scaling back," said Maj. Terrence McLarney, head of the homicide unit. Added the squad's leader, Sgt. William P. Simmons: "This is all we are about — Phylicia Barnes."

The ex-boyfriend now has an attorney; police said several of the people they've talked to have retained legal representation.

Deena said on the Internet show that the people who had keys to the apartment were her, her ex-boyfriend, who was in the process of moving out, and the ex-boyfriend's young cousin. Police have described the apartment as a "college house" that wasn't always secured and said that up to a dozen people were in and out of it over the holidays.

Detectives have questioned at least twice the people who had access to the apartment, and police have said they found few, if any, inconsistencies or reasons to consider them suspects.


full article at above link.

Interesting LE is now being quoted as saying they have few if any inconsistencies from the persons who had access to the apartment. Does this mean they have ruled anyone out?

Also come to think of it, it would not be out of the ordinary for anyone to have 12 guests visit over the holidays. I'm sure millions upon millions of households across the country had 12 guest visit over the holidays not all would be called a 'college house' as a result of having 12 guests visit over the holidays. Did LE release or MSM pick up on this based on comments from JS? or did they have information to substantiate those claims outside of the comments from JS?

Also, GJ' did DB actually say LBC had a key to the apartment or did MSM mistakenly add he too had a key?

Now I am even more confused!

JMO

 

[Cubby]

Why has the info dogs tracked her scent to the parking lot of the apartment suddenly been dropped from MSM articles? That doesn't seem to be regurgitated like much of the other info is.... hmmmmmmmmmm

She clearly got into someones car but whose? ay yi yi


Also from the above MSM article.... forgot to snip and add but I think this is relevent....

In Baltimore, a person is reported missing nearly once a day — police investigated 352 reports last year, and found all but four people. Those who were not found, police believe, were killed in domestic or drug-related disputes. Most victims had something in their past — a bad relationship, a link to nefarious activities or people — to which a motive could be attributed.
Police say the Barnes case offers no such leads.

Huh? :banghead: So this group of 12 have no links whatsoever to nefarious activities? IS anyone in LE reading their online postings? ..ay yi yi!

I can't decide if this is close to the vest or flat out misleading. :banghead:

JMO

 

[investigate1]

BBM. I agree. While possible, there is no logical reason MJ would not have consulted with his attorney and he and his attorney gone to LE with this information. His attorney would be well versed in how to bring that to LE and work with the DA's office for a deal for his client. Per LE's MSM statements we know that is not what is happening and LE has no communication with MJ (that we know of). Hence highly unlikely someone other than MJ is the main person with answers or if my suspicions are accurate the main perp with regards to PB's disappearance.

JMO

Agreed. The only thing I can think of is, MJ's attorney may feel as if his client is guilty and (would rather) for him to be silent. I'm not sure how getting an attorney works. Would MJ have to hire a personal attorney or could he get a public attorney, appointed by the court. Help me gain some understanding.

 

[Cubby]

Agreed. The only thing I can think of is, MJ's attorney may feel as if his client is guilty and (would rather) for him to be silent. I'm not sure how getting an attorney works. Would MJ have to hire a personal attorney or could he get a public attorney, appointed by the court. Help me gain some understanding.

He would only get a public defender if he has been charged with something. He has not been charged in this case so would have to retain a personal attorney himself.

hth

 

[georgiajean]

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/ma...rmann-barnes-missing-20110131,0,4825537.story


Snippets from above msm article:

Police pulled together a squad of six detectives — ones with the highest arrest and conviction rates — taking them off other cases to devote their time to finding Phylicia, turning this into one of the department's most exhaustive missing-person investigations in years.

"We're not scaling back," said Maj. Terrence McLarney, head of the homicide unit. Added the squad's leader, Sgt. William P. Simmons: "This is all we are about — Phylicia Barnes."

The ex-boyfriend now has an attorney; police said several of the people they've talked to have retained legal representation.

Deena said on the Internet show that the people who had keys to the apartment were her, her ex-boyfriend, who was in the process of moving out, and the ex-boyfriend's young cousin. Police have described the apartment as a "college house" that wasn't always secured and said that up to a dozen people were in and out of it over the holidays.

Detectives have questioned at least twice the people who had access to the apartment, and police have said they found few, if any, inconsistencies or reasons to consider them suspects.


full article at above link.

Interesting LE is now being quoted as saying they have few if any inconsistencies from the persons who had access to the apartment. Does this mean they have ruled anyone out?

Also come to think of it, it would not be out of the ordinary for anyone to have 12 guests visit over the holidays. I'm sure millions upon millions of households across the country had 12 guest visit over the holidays not all would be called a 'college house' as a result of having 12 guests visit over the holidays. Did LE release or MSM pick up on this based on comments from JS? or did they have information to substantiate those claims outside of the comments from JS?

Also, GJ' did DB actually say LBC had a key to the apartment or did MSM mistakenly add he too had a key?

Now I am even more confused!

JMO

In the Peas interview, DB said that MJ had a key. And then the interviewer asked a clarifying question: So the only people who had keys to the apartment or would have spent the night there are DB, MJ, LBC, and PB?
DB agreed.
So the wording gives a lot of wiggle room for who actually has keys, kwim?

 

[georgiajean]

Why has the info dogs tracked her scent to the parking lot of the apartment suddenly been dropped from MSM articles? That doesn't seem to be regurgitated like much of the other info is.... hmmmmmmmmmm

She clearly got into someones car but whose? ay yi yi


Also from the above MSM article.... forgot to snip and add but I think this is relevent....

In Baltimore, a person is reported missing nearly once a day — police investigated 352 reports last year, and found all but four people. Those who were not found, police believe, were killed in domestic or drug-related disputes. Most victims had something in their past — a bad relationship, a link to nefarious activities or people — to which a motive could be attributed.
Police say the Barnes case offers no such leads.

Huh? :banghead: So this group of 12 have no links whatsoever to nefarious activities? IS anyone in LE reading their online postings? ..ay yi yi!

I can't decide if this is close to the vest or flat out misleading. :banghead:

JMO

I think this was a slight tweek by MSM. PB herself has no history of nefarious activities. That's what LE has said in their pressers.

 

[investigate1]

In the Peas interview, DB said that MJ had a key. And then the interviewer asked a clarifying question: So the only people who had keys to the apartment or would have spent the night there are DB, MJ, LBC, and PB?
DB agreed.
So the wording gives a lot of wiggle room for who actually has keys, kwim?

Agreed. Most times LBC kind of people do not get to have personal keys. In this case, I can't see why LBC would need a key if someone was always home/available to answer the door. MJ was home in the daytime and DB was home at night. I wouldn't want anyone else to have my key except for my man/woman and my sister (in this case KB). I would include my sister to have a key just in case I lock myself out or something like that. I know I would be able to trust my sis with an extra key.

 

[Cubby]

I think this was a slight tweek by MSM. PB herself has no history of nefarious activities. That's what LE has said in their pressers.

Then how inaccurate of MSM to add "people" into the mix when it has NOT been confirmed the 12 POI's have no history of nefarious activities. What happened to journalists vetting their story for factual information before releasing it to the public? :furious: :banghead:

 

[georgiajean]

Then how inaccurate of MSM to add "people" into the mix when it has NOT been confirmed the 12 POI's have no history of nefarious activities. What happened to journalists vetting their story for factual information before releasing it to the public? :furious: :banghead:

From that article:

In Baltimore, a person is reported missing nearly once a day — police investigated 352 reports last year, and found all but four people. Those who were not found, police believe, were killed in domestic or drug-related disputes. Most victims had something in their past — a bad relationship, a link to nefarious activities or people — to which a motive could be attributed.

Police say the Barnes case offers no such leads.

Detectives have said there is no history of family trouble that would cause the teen to run away, no history of drug or alcohol use or abuse, no emotional issues.

Along with Cubby, I find it very curious that LE doesn't think the environment PB was in was nefarious. I had heard the last part (about PB not having any personal issues that would cause her to run away or anything) before. But I think it is very, very interesting that LE thinks no motive could be attributed. Now is that just what they are saying, in hopes someone trips up, or are they truly clueless to the nefarious activities and people connected to that apartment?

 

[cluciano63]

I read that as meaning that P had nothing "iffy" in her background, as many victims do, but I think she could have been meeting and spending time with people on this visit who had less spotless backgrounds...

 

[Cubby]

I read that as meaning that P had nothing "iffy" in her background, as many victims do, but I think she could have been meeting and spending time with people on this visit who had less spotless backgrounds...

Yes, I agree. But MSM and or LE blurred that to include the persons associated with or group of 12 POI's have no nefarious background. I will be eagerly awaiting MSM to back up those statements or clear up any mis-info.


JMO

 

[georgiajean]

Yes, I agree. But MSM and or LE blurred that to include the persons associated with or group of 12 POI's have no nefarious background. I will be eagerly awaiting MSM to back up those statements or clear up any mis-info.


JMO

Another very odd thing from one of the LE pressers... LE indicated that criminal records had been pulled on all the people DB had named.

I do not see how they could have done that, and still feel that PB was not intermingling with persons of dubious, if not nefarious, character.

 

[Cubby]

Another very odd thing from one of the LE pressers... LE indicated that criminal records had been pulled on all the people DB had named.

I do not see how they could have done that, and still feel that PB was not intermingling with persons of dubious, if not nefarious, character.

I suppose then MSM or LE will clear this up. I too would like to know how all 12 possible POI's have been ruled out as having zero dubious or nefarious backrounds and if MSM or LE is able to substantiate such.

Perhaps MSM will add a retraction indicating that statement was solely about Phylicia and not those who she may have been introduced to while vacationing and visiting family in Baltimore.

JMO

 

[Texas Mist]

Phylicia Barnes disappeared a month ago; police still searching

They did all the things that siblings do when siblings get together after having been months and miles apart. They went shopping for slippers and chatted about hairdos. They visited their grandmother for Christmas. They sat up late watching movies and eating cookies.

"You know, being sisters."

Deena Barnes stresses that point in interviews, including her most recent on an Internet radio program, trying to dispel stories about strange men and alcohol in her Northwest Baltimore apartment in the days before her younger half sister, Phylicia, disappeared on the afternoon of Dec. 28.

more here

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/ma...-barnes-missing-20110131,0,3297544,full.story