MD - Phylicia Barnes, 16, Baltimore, 28 Dec 2010 #4

[katydid23]

Unfortunately, if the abused person does not press charges then there will not be a history of domestic assault on record. I regret to this day of not pressing charges on my ex-husband after going through 3 years of domestic voilence. My ex was abusive to his oldest son's mother too. So many women do not press charges and end up either dead or having to run away.

I agree. Just because DB never pressed any charges it does not mean he didn't ever hit her or act aggressively. They were together since she was pretty young. She might have just thought that was how it was. Many young women just take it and don't report anything. Sad.

 

[cluciano63]

I know that this case is still relatively "young", as far as WS cases go. It is too much to expect that it be solved already. But I so want it to be. Not because PB is any more deserving than any other missing person's case. But because I have grown attached to this lovely, smart, talented young lady, and I am invested in the outcome to some degree. My hope for a positive outcome is dwindling, but I still hope. Each day that goes by without information, without BPD information or family information, lessens my hopes.

I know you have been great about being hopeful and optimistic. I wish I could feel the same, maybe (my pessimism) is due to following the cases of so many young girls for years, with almost no happy endings, and even worse, some without endings at all...just the huge hole they leave behind when someone takes them and they cannot be found.

If the group of people LE seems to be concentrating on is the right one, then there is a chance someone will finally give in and be honest, they are fairly young and possibly not hardened criminals who simply move on to their next victim. Something horrible happened, got out of hand due to extreme tempers and rage, perhaps. Not excusable, but maybe someone will give the gift of an answer to her family soon.

 

[investigate1]

If the group of people LE seems to be concentrating on is the right one, then there is a chance someone will finally give in and be honest, they are fairly young and possibly not hardened criminals who simply move on to their next victim. Something horrible happened, got out of hand due to extreme tempers and rage, perhaps. Not excusable, but maybe someone will give the gift of an answer to her family soon.

For some reason, while checking MJ's activity, he doesn't seem to be a hardcore criminal (at least that's what it seems like) but I know people can fool others. MJ doesn't seem to be a killer. Not saying PB is gone. I hope not. But my concern is a couple of other ppl MJ knows. What are those ppl capable of? PB left the apt or was removed from the apt kind of quickly in my opinion. Almost as if she was handed off to someone. Absolutely taken to another location by someone. It had to be either MJ or someone MJ is close to.

 

[investigate1]

Older article

FBI flew over the city two helicopters with special heat-seaking equipment designed to pinpoint heat signatures given off by decaying bodies. Nothing was found. Police also searched a portion of Leakin Park, located south of the sister's apartment and a notorious dumping ground for bodies, but found nothing.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-barnes-well-search-20110120,0,4664606.story

When they check places, they have to check everything.

 

[Cubby]

Normally as many of these type of cases unfold, most times it ends up being the last person that seen her. Even if MJ wasn't the individual to make PB's disappearance drag on this long; he still was the one in the beginning to see PB last and PB lost phone contact with her sisters while MJ was still there in the apt. PB lost contact with her sisters once she reported to DB that MJ was over at the apt and after her FB post that stated at the apt with MJ.

If anyone else entered the apt on the 28th, it would be because MJ gave them permission to be there. MJ was the man of the apt (until PB came to visit this time). MJ was also there in the day time hours. Probably, only a couple of his close friends would stop by along with some of his family members.

Respectfully snipped and BBM. Let's not forget this was a Tuesday afternoon on a day that was not a holiday. I'd like to believe most, if not all of MJ's associates had to be at work on a Tuesday afternoon unless they were on a school holiday break. I'm sure LE could determine pretty quickly who of that initial list of POI's was at work that day or on a school holiday break.

We can almost certainly rule out stranger abduction due to the large dog in the apartment ( dog would likely attack or alert a stranger breaking in) not to mention the apartment was intact, nothing appeared amiss. Phylicia did not have shoes on condusive to doing anything other than making a short trip in a vehicle, MJ was there with a vehicle, and it is my understanding the dogs tracked her scent to the parking lot. I don't recall reading 'driveway area' of the parking lot or sidewalk. I wish LE would do another presser and clarify where the scent ended.

Also, there is no way MJ would have been oblivious to PB's plans with KB that afternoon after being in the same small apartment - he obviously had to exit through the living room and front door passing PB while she was communicating with her sisters. He knew she was on FB and the phone, he'd know and have overheard her plans. The fact that he mentioned (on the now sanitized Find PB FB page) zip, zero, zilch other than she was 'sleeping' is a load of malarchy imo. For myself, it screams to me that MJ (almost certainly) has the answers himself to PB's whereabouts and possibly one more associate of his but probably no more than one as a secret doesn't stay a secret when more than one person knows......

JMO (now to finish catching up on the thread)

 

[Cubby]

I know that this case is still relatively "young", as far as WS cases go. It is too much to expect that it be solved already. But I so want it to be. Not because PB is any more deserving than any other missing person's case. But because I have grown attached to this lovely, smart, talented young lady, and I am invested in the outcome to some degree. My hope for a positive outcome is dwindling, but I still hope. Each day that goes by without information, without BPD information or family information, lessens my hopes.

BBM.. The only thoughts I have regarding this are LE is awaiting some forensics from the POI's homes, vehicles, computers etc. IF LE was going to make an arrest and charges were to happen prior to finding PB not only do those forensics need to come back, but they would have to be analyzed by experts who are the best in their field AND more than one expert. That takes time and is something LE only has one shot at, so they won't rush that by any means.

In the mean time, until she is found keeping her name, face and strong community, heck, national support this case has in the POI's faces can only help put the pressure on whichever of them knows to come forward with information on Phylicia's whereabouts.

But I do understand being impatient about cases being solved regardless of how new or old they are. They always become part of your heart. Two I follow are so old, one missing persons case since 1973 and an unsolved murder of a 10 yr old from 1966. I'm still wishing those would be solved like yesterday.

JMO

 

[Cubby]

For some reason, while checking MJ's activity, he doesn't seem to be a hardcore criminal (at least that's what it seems like) but I know people can fool others. MJ doesn't seem to be a killer. Not saying PB is gone. I hope not. But my concern is a couple of other ppl MJ knows. What are those ppl capable of? PB left the apt or was removed from the apt kind of quickly in my opinion. Almost as if she was handed off to someone. Absolutely taken to another location by someone. It had to be either MJ or someone MJ is close to.

I agree and will add, IF MJ has no involved AND knew someone besides himself had access to that apartment, no way would be be lawyered up and not talking. He'd save himself so quick he'd be off and running to have himself officially cleared as a POI before we could blink an eye. He was quick to try and explain on the Find PB group - he'd be even quicker to have himself fully cleared by LE and that has not happened.


JMO

 

[investigate1]

I agree and will add, IF MJ has no involved AND knew someone besides himself had access to that apartment, no way would he be lawyered up and not talking. He'd save himself so quick he'd be off and running to have himself officially cleared as a POI before we could blink an eye. He was quick to try and explain on the Find PB group - he'd be even quicker to have himself fully cleared by LE and that has not happened.


JMO

It's suspect to me when people want to explain themselves on FB? oppose to open camera's on TV, NG, Radio blog talk or any msm outlet. Still in a slight panic mode, seeing how well one will do when asked questions in court and trying to figure out how to reply when asked questions in court. Putting a story together and trying to fill in blank spots that might not have been covered or thought about. It's kind of like practicing for court and attempting to get some of the heat off, wanting people to know that, yes, it is guilty looking but some things aren't always what they appear to be kind of thing. Some people think that they can fool the world. Especially if they got away with something in the past. jmo

 

[Cubby]

It's suspect to me when people want to explain themselves on FB? oppose to open camera's on TV, NG, Radio blog talk or any msm outlet. Still in a slight panic mode, seeing how well one will do when asked questions in court and trying to figure out how to reply when asked questions in court. Putting a story together and trying to fill in blank spots that might not have been covered or thought about. It's kind of like practicing for court and attempting to get some of the heat off, wanting people to know that, yes, it is guilty looking but some things aren't always what they appear to be kind of thing. Some people think that they can fool the world. Especially if they got away with something in the past. jmo

Excellent points. There has been enough time imo for MJ to have had himself cleared if he was fully cooperating and no involvement. I keep coming back to that has not happened.

 

[georgiajean]

Someone knows.
The continued pressure will only help push someone to come forward. Because anyone who knows what happened, and doesn't come forward, will be taken down with the sinking ship.
From what I've gathered, this is a group of people not strangers to trouble with the law. If not themselves, they've seen family members have entire chunks of their lives taken away, because they broken the law. All these people have others who love them, and care about them, and would miss them if they were locked up. So if not for Phylicia, come forward to save the heartaches of the people who love you....

End of Public Service Announcement...

 

[georgiajean]

It's suspect to me when people want to explain themselves on FB? oppose to open camera's on TV, NG, Radio blog talk or any msm outlet. Still in a slight panic mode, seeing how well one will do when asked questions in court and trying to figure out how to reply when asked questions in court. Putting a story together and trying to fill in blank spots that might not have been covered or thought about. It's kind of like practicing for court and attempting to get some of the heat off, wanting people to know that, yes, it is guilty looking but some things aren't always what they appear to be kind of thing. Some people think that they can fool the world. Especially if they got away with something in the past. jmo

I wonder if MJ has been offered interviews? That would be a huge score for NG, or another media outlet, to have the interview with the Ex BF. If he could get his lawyer's clearance, that would be a good way for him to clear his name once and for all.

 

[georgiajean]

Respectfully snipped and BBM. Let's not forget this was a Tuesday afternoon on a day that was not a holiday. I'd like to believe most, if not all of MJ's associates had to be at work on a Tuesday afternoon unless they were on a school holiday break. I'm sure LE could determine pretty quickly who of that initial list of POI's was at work that day or on a school holiday break.

We can almost certainly rule out stranger abduction due to the large dog in the apartment ( dog would likely attack or alert a stranger breaking in) not to mention the apartment was intact, nothing appeared amiss. Phylicia did not have shoes on condusive to doing anything other than making a short trip in a vehicle, MJ was there with a vehicle, and it is my understanding the dogs tracked her scent to the parking lot. I don't recall reading 'driveway area' of the parking lot or sidewalk. I wish LE would do another presser and clarify where the scent ended.

Also, there is no way MJ would have been oblivious to PB's plans with KB that afternoon after being in the same small apartment - he obviously had to exit through the living room and front door passing PB while she was communicating with her sisters. He knew she was on FB and the phone, he'd know and have overheard her plans. The fact that he mentioned (on the now sanitized Find PB FB page) zip, zero, zilch other than she was 'sleeping' is a load of malarchy imo. For myself, it screams to me that MJ (almost certainly) has the answers himself to PB's whereabouts and possibly one more associate of his but probably no more than one as a secret doesn't stay a secret when more than one person knows......

JMO (now to finish catching up on the thread)

Agreed.
Given what we know about the facebook photo sleuthing PB did for her sister, yes, MJ knew full well what PB was up to.
As several posters here have talked about, MJ was far TOO aware of PB's activity. I'm beginning to side with the theory that MJ was the one who hit on PB, he did NOT like getting turned down, and he came back the next day to try and make things go a different way. To be then ridiculed by her (finding the FB picture, blowing his sweet scene and possible re-hook with DB) just rubbed salt in the rejection from earlier. No girl is going to get away with dissing a man in his own house. (Despite the fact that it was no longer his house).

 

[Cubby]

Agreed.
Given what we know about the facebook photo sleuthing PB did for her sister, yes, MJ knew full well what PB was up to.
As several posters here have talked about, MJ was far TOO aware of PB's activity. I'm beginning to side with the theory that MJ was the one who hit on PB, he did NOT like getting turned down, and he came back the next day to try and make things go a different way. To be then ridiculed by her (finding the FB picture, blowing his sweet scene and possible re-hook with DB) just rubbed salt in the rejection from earlier. No girl is going to get away with dissing a man in his own house. (Despite the fact that it was no longer his house).

True. Now that you mention it MJ was in fact VERY aware of what PB was up to, so much so IIRC he did mention on the Find PB FB page he KNEW PB was uncomfortable with someone but it wasn't his LBC or who we thought. (Hard to recall from memory, maybe you can double check GJ?). If my memory serves me right he sure did know a lot about PB's doings..... I can see a scenario where even if PB had one or two beers having not been accustomed to drinking she could have been tipsy and MJ misread her actions? Tried to 'fix it' the next day including his request to get back together with DB. Maybe PB was even trying to talk DB into giving him another chance when DB said, wait he is a dog (or something to that effect) and got PB to snoop his FB pages to confirm what she was saying about why the relationship was really over this time.

Of course the above is speculation but I can see a scenario such as the above setting MJ off.

JMO

 

[georgiajean]

True. Now that you mention it MJ was in fact VERY aware of what PB was up to, so much so IIRC he did mention on the Find PB FB page he KNEW PB was uncomfortable with someone but it wasn't his LBC or who we thought. (Hard to recall from memory, maybe you can double check GJ?). If my memory serves me right he sure did know a lot about PB's doings..... I can see a scenario where even if PB had one or two beers having not been accustomed to drinking she could have been tipsy and MJ misread her actions? Tried to 'fix it' the next day including his request to get back together with DB. Maybe PB was even trying to talk DB into giving him another chance when DB said, wait he is a dog (or something to that effect) and got PB to snoop his FB pages to confirm what she was saying about why the relationship was really over this time.

Of course the above is speculation but I can see a scenario such as the above setting MJ off.

JMO

Yes, MJ said he "knew about the text" about PB being uncomfortable, and "it wasn't one of my family members." I took that to mean that it could have been him, because everything he said on the Find PB had some kernel of truth to it. He knew who it was, but it wasn't a family member. Well, of all the POI's I know of, the only males who were there were his family members...

Hopefully investigate1 will add to this...has worked a lot on MJ's awareness of PB, so knows more than I do.

Oh, I also wondered if it occured this way...PB was upset with MJ for the advance. DB confides in PB that MJ wants to get back together. This horrifies PB, given what went on the night before. So PB says, hang on, let me see what he's really up to. Because she'd heard DB saying she was concerned that MJ had another girl, and that precipitated the break up. So, PB sleuths, finds the picture, and tells DB. This would mean that MJ blamed PB completely for ruining his changes with DB again? I could see DB not telling all of this, and wanting to take responsibility for PB's sleuthing.

 

[investigate1]

Yes, MJ said he "knew about the text" about PB being uncomfortable, and "it wasn't one of my family members." I took that to mean that it could have been him, because everything he said on the Find PB had some kernel of truth to it. He knew who it was, but it wasn't a family member. Well, of all the POI's I know of, the only males who were there were his family members...

Hopefully investigate1 will add to this...has worked a lot on MJ's awareness of PB, so knows more than I do.

Oh, I also wondered if it occured this way...PB was upset with MJ for the advance. DB confides in PB that MJ wants to get back together. This horrifies PB, given what went on the night before. So PB says, hang on, let me see what he's really up to. Because she'd heard DB saying she was concerned that MJ had another girl, and that precipitated the break up. So, PB sleuths, finds the picture, and tells DB. This would mean that MJ blamed PB completely for ruining his changes with DB again? I could see DB not telling all of this, and wanting to take responsibility for PB's sleuthing.

Agreed. I would say that (possibly) MJ made the advance on PB perhaps on the 25th or 26th due to the fact that on the 27th (most activity in the apt) went back to DB, KB, and PB relaxing and watching movies. If MJ didn't make the advance on those days, it would be nice to know who visited the apt on the 25th and 26th. Either MJ, family member or close male friends of MJ's would have made the advances.

 

[georgiajean]

Agreed. I would say that (possibly) MJ made the advance on PB perhaps on the 25th or 26th due to the fact that on the 27th (most activity in the apt) went back to DB, KB, and PB relaxing and watching movies. If MJ didn't make the advance on those days, it would be nice to know who visited the apt on the 25th and 26th. Either MJ, family member or close male friends of MJ's would have made the advances.

Do you think KB/DB/PB really were hanging out on the 27th? Was KB just flustered by the pressure during the Peas interview when she recanted and said she must have been there on Sunday then? Or are you taking MJ's word as true when he said they weren't there the 27th?
Just trying to understand what you are basing this on. So much info swimming around now.

 

[investigate1]

Do you think KB/DB/PB really were hanging out on the 27th? Was KB just flustered by the pressure during the Peas interview when she recanted and said she must have been there on Sunday then? Or are you taking MJ's word as true when he said they weren't there the 27th?
Just trying to understand what you are basing this on. So much info swimming around now.

For me, I weighed the option of what DB and KB mentioned. (in attempt to take their word about activity on the 27th) MJ also agreed he wasn't there on the 27th (in so many words). The oldest brother jumped and said that none of (his) brothers were over to the apt on the 27th. Each of them, pretty much come to an agreement of the 27th. (give or take LBC) who they seem to get confused on what to call him.

 

[georgiajean]

For me, I weighed the option of what DB and KB mentioned. (in attempt to take their word about activity on the 27th) MJ also agreed he wasn't there on the 27th (in so many words). The oldest brother jumped and said that none of (his) brothers were over to the apt on the 27th. Each of them, pretty much come to an agreement of the 27th. (give or take LBC) who they seem to get confused on what to call him.

Thanks for explaining. That makes sense. I felt that KB's nervousness and uncertainty on Peas may have led to her questioning her recollection of Sunday or Monday.

If LBC was the only one at the apt on Monday night, then it would seem he is the person who made her uncomfortable?

 

[jwinchester]

I've just started reading up on this case, but I had to say that one look at that vibrant young woman's beautiful smile on the first page really hit me with anger and sadness. Here's hoping she is found safe, and if not, that whoever hurt her is met with the full force of our justice.

 

[investigate1]

If LBC was the only one at the apt on Monday night, then it would seem he is the person who made her uncomfortable?

Well, it might be hard to tell exactly. That's when SS comes into play. If we could get more information from her. I was looking at it as, if it was LBC who made the advance, I don't see why he was allowed to spend the night. Unless he advanced PB late in the night and PB called or texted SS late in the night. All we know is that PB told SS on Monday the 27th, but we don't know what time PB told SS. We do know that MJ knew about the situation/talk/text PB sent or said to SS.