MD - Phylicia Barnes, 16, Baltimore, 28 Dec 2010 #4

[cluciano63]

Yet the article is very disheartening...I was almost encouraged when there was so little news...

 

[Cubby]

Yet the article is very disheartening...I was almost encouraged when there was so little news...

Me too cluciano, me too.........

I still wish we had confirmed information on where the dogs last tracked her scent. That is the one thing that is driving me more batty than the timeline questions we had earlier. :banghead:

 

[georgiajean]

This is very discouraging.
Does that mean the MJ lead has just not panned out and he has a rock solid alibi, along with all of the other J family connections?
Does that mean it was a stranger abduction? That PB really did just leave the apartment on her own and got snatched?

I am at a loss.

 

[ynotdivein]

Baltimore Police Look To Media To Find Missing Teen


February 21, 2011

Police in Baltimore are pleading for help to find a 17-year-old who vanished from her family's apartment Dec. 28. Foul play is suspected but there are no leads, and detectives and family members hope media coverage of Phylicia Simone Barnes' case will help them find her.

<snip>
"We've suspected foul play from almost the beginning," says Anthony Gugliemi, spokesman for the Baltimore Police Department.

<snip>


There's no forensics, there's no blood spatter, there's nothing to indicate that she was harmed in the apartment. ... Phylicia's trail goes cold at the front door.


- Anthony Gugliemi, Baltimore Police Department


full article at link:

http://www.npr.org/2011/02/21/133681328/baltimore-police-look-to-media-to-find-missing-teen


The front door to the apartment unit or the front door to the building? OR was this an analogy that he was using meaning front door to the police department?

Something has to break in this case soon. Someone knows where Phylicia is and that someone needs to be pressured to fess up and fess up NOW!

Phylicia where are you? Help us find you! Help us bring justice to whoever is responsible for disappearing you!


(ETA: So much for my above post - open my mouth and there is another msm article shortly. I'm sure that was just coincidence....... )

I heard the NPR piece in the car this afternoon in Massachusetts, and the bit you mentioned that I highlighted in red jumped out at me too--I thought her scent ended in the parking lot, not at the front door. Maybe the officer was just using "at the front door" very casually to mean "at the complex/in the lot", but ??? maybe not. I tend to assume that the language in pressers is more deliberate than that in media-generated pieces, so perhaps this was really just the spokesperson speaking to a reporter without a great deal of prep.

 

[georgiajean]

I heard the NPR piece in the car this afternoon in Massachusetts, and the bit you mentioned that I highlighted in red jumped out at me too--I thought her scent ended in the parking lot, not at the front door. Maybe the officer was just using "at the front door" very casually to mean "at the complex/in the lot", but ??? maybe not. I tend to assume that the language in pressers is more deliberate than that in media-generated pieces, so perhaps this was really just the spokesperson speaking to a reporter without a great deal of prep.

My understanding is that her scent ended on the sidewalk in front of the apartment. A recent MSM video report had a reporter stopping at the bottom of the exterior steps, on the sidewalk, between the door and the curb, and she said the scent stopped "right here."

 

[cluciano63]

My understanding is that her scent ended on the sidewalk in front of the apartment. A recent MSM video report had a reporter stopping at the bottom of the exterior steps, on the sidewalk, between the door and the curb, and she said the scent stopped "right here."

That kind of doesn't make sense either...wouldn't she have been in the parking lot or further away from the door than that, a day or so earlier, in any case? We keep hearing that scents can last a while and while dogs are supposed to pick up the most recent, you'd think there would be a scent if she had walked from the car to the building the night before, for example. Or I am mixed up and the parking lot is located elsewhere...

 

[georgiajean]

That kind of doesn't make sense either...wouldn't she have been in the parking lot or further away from the door than that, a day or so earlier, in any case? We keep hearing that scents can last a while and while dogs are supposed to pick up the most recent, you'd think there would be a scent if she had walked from the car to the building the night before, for example. Or I am mixed up and the parking lot is located elsewhere...

Agreed. None of it makes sense.
To get to the parking lot, you need to walk down the sidewalk, turn left on the main sidewalk next to the road, and walk to the parking area. Unless someone was pulled up to the curb. And then her tracks would go to the curb (which was originally reported, and makes more sense).

Why would LE have gotten NOTHING from the POI's? I am honestly asking everyone... If they have gotten nothing out of all the interviews, etc, is that because she truly was abducted by a stranger? Or would the POI's be able to block investigation and stymie LE?

Is there anything we can do?

 

[fleur.de.lis]

Ok, I get it now. If the Barnes family is papering the N. Bend Rd./Frederick Ave. (as stated on findphylicia.com) then essentially they're saying that they think MJ & family are responsible.

I see what georgiajean saw too, specifically that there is evidence on casesearch.courts.state.md.us and mdlandrec.net that shows that the J family roots go back a long time in that neighborhood - several decades at least.

That said, we're talking about just a few individuals - a narrow pool. If LE is saying there are no leads, I think we should consider the possibility of a stranger abduction. I wish we knew more about the slipper boots. Is it possible that she left the apartment wearing the boots - even if they were impractical - because the boots were really cute? (Remember, she was just 16 years old.)

Georgiajean - are you certain DB's apartment building was the second or third on the left hand side from the entrance off of Patterson Ave? (I believe that's what shown on the map you posted previously.)

I'm wondering IF PB left the apartment, where would she go?

Possible destinations (these are total guesses on my part, of course):

1. It looks like you could pretty much see the Wendy's from the front of the apartment building, so that would be my first guess. It looks like there are several other fast food options at the mall on the side facing Reisterstown Road.

2. Sally Beauty Supply - we know PB was planning on getting her hair done that afternoon. Do we know if she was going to go to a salon or to someone who does hair on the side? If she was going to someone who does hair on the side, would have needed to bring supplies? The mall's website says there is a Sally Beauty Supply at no. 64 on the mall map.

Where I don't think she went:
Metro Subway station. I'm figuring that they have surveillance cameras and that LE has checked them all.

Where else?

 

[georgiajean]

Ok, I get it now. If the Barnes family is papering the N. Bend Rd./Frederick Ave. (as stated on findphylicia.com) then essentially they're saying that they think MJ & family are responsible.

I see what georgiajean saw too, specifically that there is evidence on casesearch.courts.state.md.us and mdlandrec.net that shows that the J family roots go back a long time in that neighborhood - several decades at least.

That said, we're talking about just a few individuals - a narrow pool. If LE is saying there are no leads, I think we should consider the possibility of a stranger abduction. I wish we knew more about the slipper boots. Is it possible that she left the apartment wearing the boots - even if they were impractical - because the boots were really cute? (Remember, she was just 16 years old.)

Georgiajean - are you certain DB's apartment building was the second or third on the left hand side from the entrance off of Patterson Ave? (I believe that's what shown on the map you posted previously.)

I'm wondering IF PB left the apartment, where would she go?

Possible destinations (these are total guesses on my part, of course):

1. It looks like you could pretty much see the Wendy's from the front of the apartment building, so that would be my first guess. It looks like there are several other fast food options at the mall on the side facing Reisterstown Road.

2. Sally Beauty Supply - we know PB was planning on getting her hair done that afternoon. Do we know if she was going to go to a salon or to someone who does hair on the side? If she was going to someone who does hair on the side, would have needed to bring supplies? The mall's website says there is a Sally Beauty Supply at no. 64 on the mall map.

Where I don't think she went:
Metro Subway station. I'm figuring that they have surveillance cameras and that LE has checked them all.

Where else?

Great map. Thank you.
Okay, a friend of one of the POI's works at a Checkers. Probably not the same place, but I'll see what I can find out.
PB did not have any money with her, so it would make sense if someone PB knew said "Hey, come on over, I'll treat you, I'm at work."
Can we get an exact list of all the shops that are in that shopping center?

Here's a link again to the apartment.
6520 Eberle Dr, Baltimore, MD 21215 - Google Maps
It was 101, which others have said is the basement apartment, on the left. Can anyone confirm that?
There is a sliding glass door opening onto a back patio. The front patio may or may not have a wroght iron fence. Can anyone who helped with the search confirm the location and the basic layout of the apartment?

 

[georgiajean]

Across the way, to the right on the map, is Patterson Village Shopping Center.
Here is a flyer for them. Not sure if the business listing is accurate, but it is something to go on.
http://pattersonvillageshoppingcenter.com/Patterson-Village-Shopping-Center-sitemap.pdf

Has every business in that shopping center been given flyers and spoken with?

 

[georgiajean]

Apparel Phone Map ID
Avenue 410-358-4912 53
Burlington Coat Factory 410-764-3338 94
Gallo Clothing 410-764-2084 59
Leather & More 410-358-3338 50
Marshalls 410-358-7556 7
Modell's Sporting Goods 410-318-6500 91
Nuvo 410-764-0177 31
Shingar of India 410-764-6554 37
Simply Fashion 410-318-8222 33

Beauty/Health
Accent Hair Salon 410-358-8882 90
An Angel's Touch 410-764-6010 25
Beauty Vision 410-358-2020 32
Chic Nails 410-358-5853 4
Fitness Evolution 410-764-8888 92
Honey Cosmetics 410-585-1088 Kiosk
Injury Treatment Center of Maryland 410-764-2500 42
Max & Co. Salon 410-358-6291 60
New Directions Barber Shop 410-764-0711 14
Park West Medical 410-764-2266 86
Plaza Podiatry 410-764-7044 89
Sally Beauty Supply 410-764-0232 64
Total Health Center 410-764-2220 11
Vogue Hair Supply 410-764-0875 10

Books & Music
Metro II 410-764-2840 46

Community College
Baltimore City Community College 410-580-2750 71
WBJC Radio Station 410-462-8510 74

Discount & Convenience
Convenience Corner 410-585-1220 24
Dollar City 410-585-1092 41

Electronics/Gaming/Wireless
Power Gamer 410-764-7800 27
Sprint 410-318-6697 85

For the Home
Home Depot 410-358-4046 106
Marshalls 410-358-7556 7
Rent-A-Center 410-358-8844 62

Gifts & Novelties
Fragrance Galore 410-585-1351 kiosk
Marshalls 410-358-7556 7
Novelty Palace 410-358-3222 49
Perfumery International 410-764-6611 kiosk

Jewelry/Accessories
Cell Gear 2 410-764-5919 kiosk
Fashion Accessories 443-527-7555 3
Gold Lagoon 410-358-1636 5
Silver Palace 410-358-8782 kiosk
Square Circle 410-358-2592 2
Time & More 410-764-7970 6

Maryland State Services
Board of Nursing 410-585-1900 82
Dept of Health Services 410-764-2605 87
Dept. of Juvenile Justice 410-585-2100 93
Dept. Public Safety Correctional Services 410-585-3300 68
Social Security Administration 410-764-7897 70
Vital Records - Dept. of Health 410-764-3035 35
Worldwide Communications Live Scan 410-318-8242 30

Restaurants & Cafes
A & W 410-358-1137 102
Applebee's 410-358-4468 100
Burgundy Park Seafood 410-358-6555 19
Cajun Fire 410-971-6888 17
Checkers 410-358-3405 101
Evergreen Café 410-318-8807 18
Great Cookie 410-456-1367 9
KFC 410-358-7622 102
Long John Silver's 410-358-1137 102
Mama Roma's 410-585-0223 28
Panda Express 410-585-1373 103
Pick A Pretzel 410-764-3885 16
Popeye's Fried Chicken 410-358-6845 61
Rita's Ice Custard Happiness 410-764-7482 1
Sausage Plus 410-318-6555 20
Steak Buster 410-764-7455 22
Subway 410-358-7106 45
Taco Bell 410-358-7622 102
Thai Delight 410-608-7871 21
Wendy's 410-318-8516 104

Services - Financial
ATM - State Employee Credit Union 121
Bank of America 410-358-6020 52
Jackson Hewitt 410-764-0727 63
M&T Bank 410-277-7288 13

Services - Personal
Cobblers & Cleaners 410-358-4833 44
Godfirst Inkjet Printing Services Kiosk
K's Alterations 410-764-7800 26
Management Office 75
Maryland Speedy Tag & Title 301-316-1919 12

Shoes
Economy Shoes 410-358-0911 51
Foot Locker 410-358-1520 55
Marshalls 410-358-7556 7
Modell's Sporting Goods 410-318-6500 91
Payless ShoeSource 410-358-7568 36
Shoe City 410-358-1399 8

Specialty
Mall Spirits 410-358-8040 15
Sports Equipment & Apparel
Modell's Sporting Goods 410-318-6500 91

Supermarket
Giant Food Supermarket 410-649-8180 66

 

[fleur.de.lis]

I'm confused about the money situation... I know it's been reported that the emergency credit card her mother gave her was still in the apartment. But also, in numerous articles it's been stated that her debit card/ATM card hasn't been accessed. So is it possible that we're talking about two different cards? One card (mom's emergency card) she left in the apartment and one (her personal ATM/debit card) she took with her?

I'm wondering if she did in fact have her debit card with her, and that's how she was planning on paying for lunch/hair supplies/whatever...

 

[georgiajean]

I'm confused about the money situation... I know it's been reported that the emergency credit card her mother gave her was still in the apartment. But also, in numerous articles it's been stated that her debit card/ATM card hasn't been accessed. So is it possible that we're talking about two different cards? One card (mom's emergency card) she left in the apartment and one (her personal ATM/debit card) she took with her?

I'm wondering if she did in fact have her debit card with her, and that's how she was planning on paying for lunch/hair supplies/whatever...

Good point. I just heard she had cash and the emergency card. And that she had her purse, but not her money/card. I don't know if her wallet was left behind, or what.

 

[katydid23]

Good point. I just heard she had cash and the emergency card. And that she had her purse, but not her money/card. I don't know if her wallet was left behind, or what.

When I was PB's age my mom used to give me her emergency credit card when I was visiting other people out of town. I went to see my older brother in college and also sometimes my cousins. But I used to always leave it behind at the apt. on purpose, so I would not be tempted to go shopping. LOL Maybe she did the same thing.

 

[katydid23]

The thing is, I just cannot understand why she would leave on her own when she knew DB was close to getting off work and would be coming to get her soon.
She was a smart girl. I do not see her going alone for a walk when she didn't need to.
And would this make MJ's play by play of her actions correct or incorrect? Did she really go back to sleep and then just get up and go alone out for a stroll?

 

[georgiajean]

The thing is, I just cannot understand why she would leave on her own when she knew DB was close to getting off work and would be coming to get her soon.
She was a smart girl. I do not see her going alone for a walk when she didn't need to.
And would this make MJ's play by play of her actions correct or incorrect? Did she really go back to sleep and then just get up and go alone out for a stroll?

Thank you for posting this. Good, good point. The timing is what makes it suspicious, exactly.
KB set to arrive at 1:30.
PB out of communication at 12:30,
MJ says he leaves house at 1:30, PB there asleep....
The timing is too tidy, too close.
So much hinges on why KB did not show up.
Okay, back to my sleuthing then...

 

[georgiajean]

Wondering if it is time to start a folder/thread with permanent info (no discussion) related to PB's case? Like the time line, maps, list of people involved, etc?
I was browsing some other cases, and realized that so much info we have generated/collected is lost in the threads we have.
Any thoughts?

 

[katydid23]

Thank you for posting this. Good, good point. The timing is what makes it suspicious, exactly.
KB set to arrive at 1:30.
PB out of communication at 12:30,
MJ says he leaves house at 1:30, PB there asleep....
The timing is too tidy, too close.
So much hinges on why KB did not show up.
Okay, back to my sleuthing then...

And most important---why did PB stop communicating after she 'woke up' from the alleged nap?

I mean, if we ignore MJ and his actions and the things he said about what PB was doing, then I could make a case for PB leaving. Maybe. But I still would wonder why she didn't wait for her sis, and why she didn't at least text her and say pick me up at 'this' cafe. It makes no sense that she would just go on her own out of the apt. without letting KB know.

But if you add in MJ's comments, that she showered, dressed, was on FB, then she is back asleep---then it makes NO SENSE that she would wake up and go out alone to eat, and NOT communicate with one of her sisters.

So I have to see MJ as lying if I want to accept that she went out on her own.

 

[georgiajean]

And most important---why did PB stop communicating after she 'woke up' from the alleged nap?

I mean, if we ignore MJ and his actions and the things he said about what PB was doing, then I could make a case for PB leaving. Maybe. But I still would wonder why she didn't wait for her sis, and why she didn't at least text her and say pick me up at 'this' cafe. It makes no sense that she would just go on her own out of the apt. without letting KB know.

But if you add in MJ's comments, that she showered, dressed, was on FB, then she is back asleep---then it makes NO SENSE that she would wake up and go out alone to eat, and NOT communicate with one of her sisters.

So I have to see MJ as lying if I want to accept that she went out on her own.

Good post. Thank you.
Perhaps MJ "disabled" her phone while she was "napping." Then he told her he texted DB and KB, and he took her to "lunch" to make up for the argument he was having with DB, and show everything was still "chill" between them.

 

[nyla]

Since drinking/drugs were going on the night of the 27th is it possible that PB went somewhere with someone voluntarily late that night,left her phone at home and someone else did the texting on the 28th (MJ).When she was not home by the time DB got off work panic set in. I Know that DB said that PB was asleep on the sofa when she left to go to work.