MD - Phylicia Barnes, 16, Baltimore, 28 Dec 2010 #5

[jade32]

does someone has the list of all the abbreviations of the names? (from DB, MJ, etc...)

 

[Sun48shine]

Thank you. I went to a map and viewed 695's route. I got a little dizzy from it looping around or going in a circle. Is this true that 695 goes in a circle? I'm not good with traveling (car wise) but if it does go in a circle, do you know how long it would take to complete the circle? Is 695 an outer loop that surrounds each of the family members home; as in, Does each family reside within the 695 circle? Is Dundalk located within the circle, except it's further out? Also, I'm trying to remember if any of the J's family members reside on or around Harlem Ln. I noticed There are a couple of streets with the name Harlem Ln but each street is close to one another.

On some of the social network accounts, I have seen some pics and a couple of video's to where as the setting appeared to be in some of the guys places of residence, where they have their own equipment etc and the internet/computers are an asset to their music production. It's much easier to produce music arrangements and beats these days with the help of modern day technology. I was wondering, Could one of those places be the first place PB was taken too, if so, and PB is no longer at one of those locations, she would have to be relocated again.

Yes 695 is an outer loop that goes around Baltimore. Dundalk is at the Southeastern section of 695. Years ago, back in the mid 80s, I took a ride around the entire 695 loop just to see how long it would take. Since it was a Sunday, the traffic was light. It took me about an hour.

 

[Falconi]

Criminal Profiler Pat Brown has just discussed PB's case on her FB page.

Someone asked about any new leads, and if PB might've been sold into human trafficking.

Ms. Brown advised that PB has NOT been sold into human trafficking and the likelihood of her being found alive is very low.

Also, Profiler Brown says, "I think they are looking for her body to be able to move forward in this case. There is a lot of circumstantial evidence but not enough to make an arrest."

Here's the link: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Criminal-Profiler-Pat-Brown/387068190642

This is gut-wrenchingly sad. PB deserves JUSTICE!!

IMO, no one who had access to that apartment should be given a pass. Unleash the TRUTH and shame the GUILTY!!!!!!!!

My prayers and condolences to PB's loved ones and family, the ones that cherished and protected her. raying:

The truth is nearer and PB WILL have her JUSTICE.

 

[georgiajean]

does someone has the list of all the abbreviations of the names? (from DB, MJ, etc...)

Rather than look for it on a previous thread, I'll post again.

DB sister in B'more
KB sister in B'more
RB father from Atlanta
BB brother in B'more
HW Uncle in B'more
SS sister in N.C.
PS mom in N. C.
MJ ex of DB. His full name has not been posted in MSM, but we were given mod. permission to look at his info.
LBC MJ's little brother/cousin who spent the night at the apartment the 27th. We don't know who he is, but I started to refer to him as such, so we know who we are talking about.

No one else has been named. We know other family members of MJ's, but we can't talk about them outside of vague references (like 30-yr old bro or 18 yr old bro who has a car).

 

[jade32]

Rather than look for it on a previous thread, I'll post again.

DB sister in B'more
KB sister in B'more
RB father from Atlanta
BB brother in B'more
HW Uncle in B'more
SS sister in N.C.
PS mom in N. C.
MJ ex of DB. His full name has not been posted in MSM, but we were given mod. permission to look at his info.
LBC MJ's little brother/cousin who spent the night at the apartment the 27th. We don't know who he is, but I started to refer to him as such, so we know who we are talking about.

No one else has been named. We know other family members of MJ's, but we can't talk about them outside of vague references (like 30-yr old bro or 18 yr old bro who has a car).

thanks again!

 

[jade32]

Also, Profiler Brown says, "I think they are looking for her body to be able to move forward in this case. There is a lot of circumstantial evidence but not enough to make an arrest."


The way I read this is, that they have a good idea of what happened, who did it, but that the evidence is circumstantial and they can't arrest anyone with that...

in that case I think they have more evidence than they're letting us know...

what I was wondering, somewhere along this topic, a comment was made about a witness who someone coming out of the building carrying a tote and toss it in a dumpster. Is it known if the witness could describe someone, what he'd look like, the clothes he or she was wearing, etc... I think this is a very interesting thing.

My theory is that MJ did something to her (just my opinion, speculating) or something happened, which made is obvious that PB was no longer alive. He called LBC to help him out. Which makes it explainable why LBC was at the apt.

I think that when MJ said she was "asleep", he meant that in a very different way. Which explains the fact why she was back "to sleep" after her shower. It also explains why some of her stuff was still there, and why some of her stuff was missing.

They tried to stage things, imo. Missing things, door open, loud music, etc. And MJ wasn't reachable for a long time. Enough time to do....And is it known if there are holes in the alibi of LBC??

IF she was abducted, than I don't think her phone would have died all of a sudden. People who would abduct her would not think to put out her phone or something like that. If her battery died, she would have let someone know it did. And they could track down what the last location was where the phone was picked up. Was it at the apt or somewhere else?

Besides, when all contact suddenly stopped from Phylicia's side, MJ was still there....

Again, this is all my opinion and theory's...

 

[Auburnmommyof2]

Any thoughts from my post at the top of this page?

 

[georgiajean]

The "carrying a tote out" was something a neighbor reported to one of the searchers, at the apartment complex. The searcher posted that they reported that to LE, as well.

The item tossed into a dumpster was a week or two after PB disappeared, and it was a backpack that was tossed when DB was moving out herself. LE recovered it, and they said (to the media) that there was no evidence found associated with the recovered backback.

At least that is what I understood.

 

[georgiajean]

I left some comments in your post, in bold, and then commented below, too.

Please help me think this through and understand everyone's thoughts.... If mj or one of his family members convinced her to leave with them, for whatever reason, do you think the intention was to ultimately kill her? ( No, I don't think the original intention was to kill her. I think intimidate, control, harrass, and mess with her were the original intentions.) I just don't get the feeling at all that they are the type to set out to kill. After finally finding some of their twitter accounts, I got the impression that one of them may have had previous gang affiliation. (I have seen pictures of weapons, a LOT of weed, and a LOT of alcohol. As well as cheap cars tricked out to look fancy, and pit bulls that are pets. And many have ties to the music scene in B'more. But I did not think any were affiliated with gangs or more violence. Many family members from their parents' generation have spent time for burglarly, assault, attempted murder, theft, and weapons violations.) However, this same person was the only post I found on twitter that mentioned PB and it sounded like a sincere post about hoping she was ok. (I saw that too. I wondered about it.) I think that if any of them intended to sexually assault her, they would know they'd get caught. Unless they had her so drugged up that she wouldn't remember anything that happened. I can't see them drugging her to have sex with her knowing KB was coming to get her. Maybe she was drugged at the apartment then taken somewhere to make their move and she never woke up? I still think it is possible that she left with someone, possibly MJ, and they ran into someone that had a vendetta against mj or the family and took or hurt PB. If this is the case, other lives have probably been threatened if the truth is ever told, kwim.

All of this is just my opinion and I pray for PB's mother and that the truth will be found out soon.

I really think it was a heat-of-the-moment crime, myself. I just don't see this crew as intentionally drugging or hurting someone in order to have their way with her. But I can see a reaction that ended in her death. I can also see them getting carried away with drugs and alcohol, and killing her with an overdose. There are several ways it could have gone. And most of them are "accidental" in that it was not the intention to kill her, though their stupid choices lead to her death. If only they had brought the situation to the authorities when it originally happened, things would have played out so differently. The headlines would have read very differently.

I imagine they didn't think about that at the time, they were just trying to avoid getting in trouble. I can't imagine the two months of "freedom" they have had are worth it.

 

[georgiajean]

Also, Profiler Brown says, "I think they are looking for her body to be able to move forward in this case. There is a lot of circumstantial evidence but not enough to make an arrest."


The way I read this is, that they have a good idea of what happened, who did it, but that the evidence is circumstantial and they can't arrest anyone with that...

in that case I think they have more evidence than they're letting us know...

what I was wondering, somewhere along this topic, a comment was made about a witness who someone coming out of the building carrying a tote and toss it in a dumpster. Is it known if the witness could describe someone, what he'd look like, the clothes he or she was wearing, etc... I think this is a very interesting thing.

My theory is that MJ did something to her (just my opinion, speculating) or something happened, which made is obvious that PB was no longer alive. He called LBC to help him out. Which makes it explainable why LBC was at the apt.

I think that when MJ said she was "asleep", he meant that in a very different way. Which explains the fact why she was back "to sleep" after her shower. It also explains why some of her stuff was still there, and why some of her stuff was missing.

They tried to stage things, imo. Missing things, door open, loud music, etc. And MJ wasn't reachable for a long time. Enough time to do....And is it known if there are holes in the alibi of LBC??

IF she was abducted, than I don't think her phone would have died all of a sudden. People who would abduct her would not think to put out her phone or something like that. If her battery died, she would have let someone know it did. And they could track down what the last location was where the phone was picked up. Was it at the apt or somewhere else?

Besides, when all contact suddenly stopped from Phylicia's side, MJ was still there....

Again, this is all my opinion and theory's...

The only thing LE has ever said about PB's phone is that she hasn't used it since about 12:30 on the 28th.
They have not released any information about pings, or cell phone usage of anyone, at all.
I have to assume they have the phone records and pings, but that we do not need to know this information, as the public, at this time.
Very frustrating, but I have to believe LE is on target and knows what they are doing.

 

[Salem]

Guys - I have not read carefully through the thread here, but I will catch up soon. In the meantime, please remember that we DO NOT DO psychics here. We don't post their info or give them credit or link to their blogs, etc.

If you have questions, let me know.

Salem

 

[Sun48shine]

I left some comments in your post, in bold, and then commented below, too.



I really think it was a heat-of-the-moment crime, myself. I just don't see this crew as intentionally drugging or hurting someone in order to have their way with her. But I can see a reaction that ended in her death. I can also see them getting carried away with drugs and alcohol, and killing her with an overdose. There are several ways it could have gone. And most of them are "accidental" in that it was not the intention to kill her, though their stupid choices lead to her death. If only they had brought the situation to the authorities when it originally happened, things would have played out so differently. The headlines would have read very differently.

I imagine they didn't think about that at the time, they were just trying to avoid getting in trouble. I can't imagine the two months of "freedom" they have had are worth it.

On a previous page, there was mentioning of LBC hanging out late somewhere nearby DB's apt. I wonder if he brought some type of drug that he didn't know much about. Some young people get very silly and will use their friends as experiments to see how that person or persons react to an unfamiliar drug before they attempt to touch it. If alcohol and some type of drug were used, it could result in an accidental overdose. Too many actors and actresses have died from accidental overdoses. Even alcohol and sleeping pills can be a deadly combination. This is what happened to the guy who created Herbalife. If this was something accidental, they should have called 911. It looks worse now for the guilty ones. Imagine all of the charges they will face.

 

[georgiajean]

On a previous page, there was mentioning of LBC hanging out late somewhere nearby DB's apt. I wonder if he brought some type of drug that he didn't know much about. Some young people get very silly and will use their friends as experiments to see how that person or persons react to an unfamiliar drug before they attempt to touch it. If alcohol and some type of drug were used, it could result in an accidental overdose. Too many actors and actresses have died from accidental overdoses. Even alcohol and sleeping pills can be a deadly combination. This is what happened to the guy who created Herbalife. If this was something accidental, they should have called 911. It looks worse now for the guilty ones. Imagine all of the charges they will face.

It's hard to say, not knowing who LBC actually is. But I agree, an accidental bad situation could have come about from young people experimenting stupidly. The only way it would really be bad is if someone over 18 or over 21 supplied the stuff, in which case they would be in pretty bad trouble. But if they were all under 18, then it's different, I think. If it was an overdose/reaction, the fact that this was covered up makes me think someone over 18/21 was involved. Then again, teenagers' first reaction might be to cover it up. So there goes my theory.

I want to reiterate and bold this, because I fear there is some confusion (this is not addressed at anyone, just an FYI for newcomers to PB's thread and a reminder for everyone). We do NOT know who LBC is. We can not attribute any behaviors of individuals to LBC, because we do not know who he is. When I talk about the other family members who are not named, I refer to them with an age, or a reference to where they are in school, or how they are related to MJ.

 

[investigate1]

Please help me think this through and understand everyone's thoughts.... If mj or one of his family members convinced her to leave with them, for whatever reason, do you think the intention was to ultimately kill her? I just don't get the feeling at all that they are the type to set out to kill. After finally finding some of their twitter accounts, I got the impression that one of them may have had previous gang affiliation. However, this same person was the only post I found on twitter that mentioned PB and it sounded like a sincere post about hoping she was ok. I think that if any of them intended to sexually assault her, they would know they'd get caught. Unless they had her so drugged up that she wouldn't remember anything that happened. I can't see them drugging her to have sex with her knowing KB was coming to get her. Maybe she was drugged at the apartment then taken somewhere to make their move and she never woke up? I still think it is possible that she left with someone, possibly MJ, and they ran into someone that had a vendetta against mj or the family and took or hurt PB. If this is the case, other lives have probably been threatened if the truth is ever told, kwim.

All of this is just my opinion and I pray for PB's mother and that the truth will be found out soon.

I'm not certain if PB would leave with MJ or his family willingly. It depends on who was the person that made advances at PB and if it's true that PB got caught up in snooping on FB for DB.

I wouldn't want to believe that the brothers would intentionally harm PB. I view the brothers as typical young adults who like to have fun, adventure out, experiment, like pretty females, like music etc...

But the unfortunate part of their behavior is when they get extra high off of laced weed, along with drinking etc..can really make a person do things that they wouldn't normally do. The mind becomes altered. A person under any type of influence has less patience, make poor decisions etc..Also, when it comes to drinking, some people, if they are upset before they start drinking, the alcohol can enhance the (anger mood). As far as vendetta against mj, the issues began while PB and MJ were still located in the apt alone.

If a dispute took place between MJ and PB, MJ would have to intimidate PB to leave with him (or force her to leave with someone else). Although PB is a little naive for the environment that surrounded her, she is not a dunce or an idiot. PB happens to be very intelligent. I also believe if MJ said anything too rude to PB that PB would have given a rude reply back, not knowing how serious the situation might be. (that's the naive part of PB) imo.

PB could have gotten smacked or hit without leaving evidence or DNA behind. Once, I saw a man punch a woman in the temple area and she dropped but got back up. No blood or anything was present. Yet, the punch really dazed her. Thank God help was present. It happened so fast and out of nowhere. Caught the woman off guard.

I did read a tweet from one of the young men who sound very sincere about PB's disappearance. However, tweets later when he was asked,
was that your lil ma? on Dec 30th, he replies, na (laughs), and says, she used to be though, Dec 30th. Perhaps they were referring to someone else other than PB.

Here are some scenarios ppl posted here a while back I found to be interesting.

okay i have comments and questions first time posting just how well did pb mother know db and family i know pb connected with family about three years ago. did pb mom pay a visit before allowing pb to connect with db and siblings . i picture pb as being very smart but naive. i think she wanted to fit in. we all wanted to fit in when we were teens. obiviously pb enjoyed her fredom her in bmore. she even choose towson as her college. db and friends unfortunately just wasnt the crowd to be with and im sure pb may at times wondered she i be here. now to mj and brothers and their friends just what are their character. these guys could be involved in a gang. i sure would like to see a picture of mj and brothers.

I, like many, am very curious about MJ's brother. Why has his place in the time line only recently been mentioned? He stayed over-night, and his brother picked him up the next morning. So, he was the second-to-last person, that we know of, to see Phylicia?

Do we know if Phylicia had her own key to the apartment?

I keep thinking that someone came by, and offered to treat her to drive-thru or something of that nature. If they offered to buy, that would explain why she did not bring money. It would also explain why she would leave in her slippers (assuming she would not have to get out of the car) and, if she believed it was going to be a quick trip, why she would feel comfortable leaving the door unlocked. It seems likely that she got into a vehicle on her own, or perhaps she was persuaded by a firearm.

Who was the first person to bring up MJ's younger brother? Was it MJ himself? I'm trying to recall without going back in the thread (I will though). I recall, after reading of the younger brother/cousin, thinking that perhaps MJ is getting a little tired of taking so much heat (especially after he mentioned being monitored by LE).

 

[investigate1]

On a previous page, there was mentioning of LBC hanging out late somewhere nearby DB's apt. I wonder if he brought some type of drug that he didn't know much about. Some young people get very silly and will use their friends as experiments to see how that person or persons react to an unfamiliar drug before they attempt to touch it. If alcohol and some type of drug were used, it could result in an accidental overdose. Too many actors and actresses have died from accidental overdoses. Even alcohol and sleeping pills can be a deadly combination. This is what happened to the guy who created Herbalife. If this was something accidental, they should have called 911. It looks worse now for the guilty ones. Imagine all of the charges they will face.

It's never too late for (whomever) to come forward. Let LE know what happened and expose PB's location. If able, proper test will be ran on PB if she's alive or not. I can't help but remember the disrespectful tweets relating to females on the 28th of Dec. The tweets were filled with so much negative energy. I always pray for the best.

 

[BACH50]

I still believe that PB left the house with MJ and his relatives to get something to eat. Maybe she didn't tell KB or DB because she thought that she was coming right back. Or maybe her phone wasn't working when she got in the car because the battery may have died.

I don't think there was any arguing in the apt. about the FB posting, because as I said earlier DB was bound to see all and every thing that she had asked PB to look up. Plus the dog would not have allowed MJ to yell or hurt PB unless they were in another room. I still don't know why LE took a sample of the carpet, was there something spilled on it???? Like vomit???? Or liquor????
Or maybe they thought some of PB's female DNA was on it????

LE clearly stated that there was no evidence of fowl play in the apt. and that PB scent went as far as the parking lot. So to me all of the evidence points to PB going with MJ and family to get something to eat so she thought?? Or as I said earlier they gave her some date rape drug and she passed out and they took her out of the apt. secretly?? Lil G mentioned on his twitter that he spoked something the night of the 27th and not the 28th.
Maybe MJ gave PB some more spoke that morning and she passed out or was not all there and then he or his relatives were then able to take her out of the apt. without a fight, and she most certainly would not have texted anyone if she was really high. But I think she would have texted someone saying that she was beginning to feel really funny or weird. For her communication to just stop so abruptly something definitely went wrong very quickly.

And then I think that the same person who made the pass at PB, attempted to make the pass again and this time it went too far. The person most likely didn't realize that PB was not going to be OK with the situation. I still can't figure out the time frame because MJ had to know that KB was going to come looking for PB around 1:30pm??? I guess thats why he make up the lie that she was asleep on the couch. But what made him think that KB really was going to buy that lie???? HUM????

Once again things just don't add up????

 

[Auburnmommyof2]

I agree with so much of the prevois post! I wonder if mj knew kb was panning on picking her up when she got off early? If kb had come to the apt when she got off, she wouldve realized that either PB was gone or would've walked in on whatever was going on to cause her to disappear. I just can't help but wonder if db played a role in keeping kb away from the apartment somehow. Something about that just doesn't add up! It is my opinion that db is afraid to tell what she knows.

 

[investigate1]

So to me all of the evidence points to PB going with MJ and family to get something to eat so she thought?? Or as I said earlier they gave her some date rape drug and she passed out and they took her out of the apt. secretly?? Lil G mentioned on his twitter that he spoked something the night of the 27th and not the 28th.
Maybe MJ gave PB some more spoke that morning and she passed out or was not all there and then he or his relatives were then able to take her out of the apt. without a fight, and she most certainly would not have texted anyone if she was really high. But I think she would have texted someone saying that she was beginning to feel really funny or weird. For her communication to just stop so abruptly something definitely went wrong very quickly.

And then I think that the same person who made the pass at PB, attempted to make the pass again and this time it went too far. The person most likely didn't realize that PB was not going to be OK with the situation. I still can't figure out the time frame because MJ had to know that KB was going to come looking for PB around 1:30pm??? I guess thats why he make up the lie that she was asleep on the couch. But what made him think that KB really was going to buy that lie???? HUM????

Once again things just don't add up????

Very true. MJ and Lil G were hanging out with one another the night of the 27th, smoking something that was mixed/laced. I don't know much about drugs but I've read and heard about how certain types of drugs linger in the system for quite some time. That applies to certain types of laced marijuana as well. Perhaps, MJ and Lil G had some left over on the morning of the 28th, from the night before. Also, I think if PB was slipped something or smoked something lace, she probably wouldn't be able to text or call anyone. Something that strong would have hit PB fast and hard. LIl G mentions, he didn't know how he got home the night of the 27th but on the 28th, he and whoever else was involved was getting around town very well, except most can agree that the tweets on the 28th were wild and crazy and we can see that around the time PB came up missing, MJ and Lil G were hanging pretty tight.

Having said that, it could be possible that MJ offered PB to smoke. It's hard to tell. MJ could have offered and PB could have declined or accepted. Still, even with both view points, PB exited the apt building and never returned. It is still more likely PB left with MJ or someone (s) that MJ know. Willing or forced PB has been violated because she hasn't been allowed to return. Also, MJ is around 27 yrs of age, PB was only 16 at the time. If MJ offered or allowed PB to smoke, he over stepped his boundary lines in every way on the 28th. If MJ behaved that way on the 28th, it makes me wonder how was his behavior toward PB when DB was not looking or listening.

The calls stopping so abruptly is very alarming. PB beyond a doubt knew she was waiting for returned phone calls and text. I just can't see PB being that irresponsible. If anything, I would see PB charging her phone, which reminds me, on the 28th, it was an awful lot of calls and text being made. Almost appears to be hectic (imo). The entire day was so hectic because people were doing things that they had no business doing; causing PB to come up missing. The morning began sour. LBC (whoever that is) had no business spending the night. MJ had no business being alone in the apt with PB and he knew that.

 

[BACH50]

Every angel that you look at has a part that just doesn't make sense?
Why her calls just stop??
Why did DB allow her to smoke anything (sorry for the mispell spoke previously)
DB said on Peas that she even offered to take a drug test. I wanted to yell in the radio so bad that just because she would have a negative drug test does not mean that she didn't allow PB to smoke drugs.
That is where this case turns sour. That put the split between JS and DB.
DB should have for no reason allowed PB to drink nor smoke.
I have plenty of older sisters and brothers that my mother left my sister and me with when we were younger and they knew what NOT to do around us.
Out of fear of my mother and out of pure respect for their little sisters.
You want your younger siblings to do better and be better than you.
Maybe there was a little jealousy there from DB towards PB???
I just can't understand why she allowed her to do things that you being a responsible adult allow a minor to do.
Also there were pics somewhere on FB of some alcohol on the table in what seems to be the apt. This is a big red flag and a no-no!!!!!
No matter what the reason, PB should have not indulged in such things.

 

[investigate1]

Agreed, that no one had the right to allow an under age child to indulge in illegal activity. Agreed 100%. Yet, imo, it is important to remember the person (s) who has already admitted that they were the last or at least the second to last person to see PB at around 12:30 to 1:30 pm on Dec 28th. When second to last comes into play, it is still a known fact that it was one of the J family members to see PB last.

Time to find a location. Familiar places where certain individuals hang out often, admire or know well enough. Time to find out who would be willing to assist. Each of these people 9 out of 10 know the same areas well enough.

I'm praying that evidence is still available to be collected. Sometimes it becomes rough when there are individuals who have access to so many vehicles. There are people within the J family who work on vehicles, love vehicles, which means they have access to so many under the table hook ups. Towing, customer cars they might be working on at the time that must be returned, company vehicles. These type of cars are taken on test drives after being worked on etc..

I'm still interested in any female who has mobile access to do hair, nails etc who has an account on FB. That hasn't been touched well enough. The beauty treatment played a big role on the 28th of Dec. Perhaps PB didn't make it to get her hair done on that day but I would love to know who was being contacted on Dec 28th to accept an app to fix PB's hair. Does MJ know of this person. Is MJ close with this person who may have a license to do hair or does MJ know anyone who is within the hair/nail career field that he's close to.

Within the circle on the 28th of Dec, who didn't work on that day. Who hung around the apt that didn't have a job. Who has a job that drives a company vehicle. What friends visited the apt who has access or owns transportation and who would have a deep rooted motive to harm PB. DB wouldn't allow PB to over indulge in drinking or smoking. I don't believe she would do that but I do believe that someone who wanted to take advantage of PB would allow PB to do so and I don't believe that person would allow PB to do so if they knew DB knew that is what that person was trying to do. I do not believe that DB or KB would harm PB. Maybe DB and KB made some poor decision making; Perhaps more so DB may have made some poor decision making but not to harm her baby sister and I believe KB admires her baby sister as well.

I understand JS's pain. Everyone deceived and betrayed JS. JS was absolutely let down.