ME ME - Ayla Reynolds, 20 mnths, Waterville, 17 December 2011 - # 3

[TxLady2]

If Ayla was being taken care of by the grandma and aunt, and Justin had never had much to do with the baby as Trista would have us believe, then why was there even an agreement between them that he would take Ayla if she went into rehab? Why did he even want the baby, and why would Trista agree to it? Ten days is not nearly long enough to overcome an addiction, whether it's drugs, alcohol or both.
That fact aside, I am totally confused about who to believe here. I realize that statistics show that there is very little chance she could still be alive, but her statement that he is the last one to see her alive is very telling. Every parent holds out hope right up until the body is found, (unless they're the ones who killed them) and most mothers will not even entertain the thought that their child is most likely dead until they're found. Her statement puzzles me and I'm finding it a little difficult to digest. Not saying she is responsible but she certainly contradicts herself on some things.

 

[keeponsearching]

"REYNOLDS: Because her father has never had anything to do with her up until I needed to go and get a little bit of help for myself. And then when I left my daughter with my sister, that`s when he decided, You know what? I`m going to take Ayla."

I pulled this from up above. But I am confused. Once she got into rehab, he decided to take Ayla, and thats when they made the agreement, or was it before, which is the was I have originally taken it these past few weeks.

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

If Ayla was being taken care of by the grandma and aunt, and Justin had never had much to do with the baby as Trista would have us believe, then why was there even an agreement between them that he would take Ayla if she went into rehab? Why did he even want the baby, and why would Trista agree to it? Ten days is not nearly long enough to overcome an addiction, whether it's drugs, alcohol or both.
That fact aside, I am totally confused about who to believe here. I realize that statistics show that there is very little chance she could still be alive, but her statement that he is the last one to see her alive is very telling. Every parent holds out hope right up until the body is found, (unless they're the ones who killed them) and most mothers will not even entertain the thought that their child is most likely dead until they're found. Her statement puzzles me and I'm finding it a little difficult to digest. Not saying she is responsible but she certainly contradicts herself on some things.

She has contradicted herself on quite a number of things. She also is good at avoiding questions and asks questions right back when posed to her. I do not find her credible. I do not believe she harmed Ayla, either. I think the entire situation snowballed out of control and now she does not know what to do. That is what I think happened. I think she was concerned in knowing she more than probably would not get Ayla back and went and took her for herself...and now cannot produce her due to the media and more importantly..due to the police involvement. She would fear possibly losing all rights to Ayla if found she took her.

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For one, I find it extremely difficult to believe if Ayla was harmed in the home that gramma, dad and his sister are all going in cohoots to cover and hide it. One of them would have cracked under police interviews by this point.

There is no abuse by the dad made to any court, or police. The hospital chose to investigate (as normal routine) and found Ayla's injury as an accident. Some have said about him missing doctor appts. We do not know this. This comes from TR. He could have very easily had her follow up appts with a doc near his home as opposed to driving an hour and half back to MMC in Portland. There are many MMC (Maine Medical Centers) locations throughout Maine that would be closer to his home base. So there is no proof that he "missed" appointments.

The home Ayla was video taped at JD's residence looks clean and well kept. Grandmother lives there so there is a 2 adult household to help with the care of the baby should he become employed. Far better than the dumpy one-room hotel in Portland that mom lives with another baby.

The fact he is unemployed is not a negative against him...jobs are extremely difficult right now and especially in Maine as there are not a lot of unskilled opportunities.

TR says " I have had no contact with him. He`s had no contact with me. All I know is he`s the last man to see my daughter, and all I want to know is where she is."

JD says "Contrary to some statements floating around out there, I have been in communication with Ayla`s mother over the last couple of weeks. The Waterville police have the transcripts from my phone for verification of those communications."

I believe him. He stated the above publicly and why would he lie about having proof when he knows PD can back up his statements. Seems the only "untruths" being told are by the mom.

 

[NFYIAMY]

All this is words from the mother. There is no proof to back this up. We do know he was cleared from any abuse regarding the broken arm. Children get bruises all the time. He does not talk to her in a kind voice and it's my guess that she was going "off the wall" at him...The above is all one-sided. The mother has already shown me that she would not be the best to have the child so soon. Doesn't it go to say that she was in rehab for drug and alcohol abuse and yet...during the 24 months prior to being in rehab she gave birth to two babies? Was she doing drugs during pregnancy? Obviously was doing it while both children under her care. Again...why was this single mother of two babies not living with relatives but in a dump hotel?

And.....if Mom went into rehab in October 'for 10 days' - what program is she in now?

Sorry folks, but 10 days in rehab barely let's them go through withdrawal/detox. If the mom hasn't continued in some program after getting out of the rehab facility (AA, addiction recovery day program, etc) -- I don't believe she is suddenly no longer in her addiction.

I really wish we knew if her stint in rehab was by choice, court ordered, etc -AND- if the 10 days 'completed' the time she was supposed to be there or if she just left after 10 days?

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

"REYNOLDS: Because her father has never had anything to do with her up until I needed to go and get a little bit of help for myself. And then when I left my daughter with my sister, that`s when he decided, You know what? I`m going to take Ayla."

I pulled this from up above. But I am confused. Once she got into rehab, he decided to take Ayla, and thats when they made the agreement, or was it before, which is the was I have originally taken it these past few weeks.

This was already proven to be a false statement by the mother in her plea for wanting the public to look upon JD as a "bad person" in my opinion. She is the only one slinging untruths. She contradicted herself by saying the above...and yet in another interview claims that Ayla "was always coming home with bruises."

 

[keeponsearching]

I agree, the whole last one to see her alive is strange.

I have no idea how, who took Ayla out of the house. Inside job, outside job. But I think it is very possible for someone to sneak in. Do we know where dad, mom and the sis sleep? This is why my kids rooms are so close to me, and I have two dogs, and I am a light sleeper. You can never say no one can get into a house, I don't believe it.

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

More untruths:
Now, Trista said at one point this week that she was told to stay away from the search and stay away from the investigation. The police chief was asked about that today and denied that and doesn`t know where that is coming from. The only place where they are denied access is the home where Ayla was last seen and that home where she was sleeping when she reportedly went missing. That home is now guarded by a police officer, and no one except police is allowed to go in and out.

 

[Abby Normal]

TR: The agreement was, was that if he took Ayla, if I let him take care of Ayla for the time being, for me to get back on my feet, he had to live with his mother because I thought it would have been the safest place for her to be. And..I was wrong.

REYNOLDS: Because her father has never had anything to do with her up until I needed to go and get a little bit of help for myself. And then when I left my daughter with my sister, that`s when he decided, You know what? I`m going to take Ayla.

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TIRSTA REYNOLDS: Because he`s vindictive. He`s very verbally abusive towards me and anything that I say or do, he refuses to let me see my daughter, he`s refused to let me talk to her. I mean, he has never, like, once since he`s had her, since October 17th, had let me have her for one single day. So, I decided that it was time to do this the legal way and let a judge say who this child should be with. And my daughter does deserve to be with me. I`m the one who`s raised her for 18 months.

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J. REYNOLDS: Well, I can say we have reported it many times, to department of health and human services, to answer that question that was just asked. I didn`t let the child go with him. I was told I had to give the child to him. It was not an option.



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http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/45814327#45814327

Q: Um, a little background on your relationship with Justin, according to you, you and Justin had an agreement that he would take care of Ayla while you were in rehab back in October.

TR: That's right.

Q: Other reports suggest that CPS gave Justin temporary custody of Ayla. I don't think you agree with that. But, after you got out of rehab, a month went by where you never saw Ayla, why?

TR: No, I had went like two and a half weeks without seeing her when I first got out of rehab, and then after, um, like the first week of November, I didn't see her again until the 21st of November. And then after the 21st of November I did not see her again.

snipped for space, respectfully

ok, so he's never had anything at all to do with her in her 18 months. And then they had an agreement for him to take her. Or DHS enforced it, it's not entirely clear.

Then he doesn't let her have Ayla, not one single time, when she gets out of rehab.

But when Ayla has been with him, she sees bruises and a pattern of abuse.It's been reported "many times" according to JR. How can she/they see a pattern of abuse when he never had her for 18 months, and once he had her he didn't let her go to Trista?

There had to be some back and forth to see a pattern of abuse IMO. So on one end she isn't being entirely honest IMO. Either he was more involved before, he let her see her more when she got out of rehab, or they're making up the pattern of abuse and "many" reports to DHS. They can't all be true.

Also- if DHS removed Ayla and put her in the father's care, which I'm inclined to believe based on circumstances and JR's story of what happened, then he had no choice in when she could see Ayla. That ball was entirely in DHS' court. He could lose all his rights for not complying with whatever they told him. They might even be the ones who made him change Ayla's doctor if they thought TR would show up there. They do not like uncontrolled situations.

 

[Adrienne37]

I'm glad to see that more people are questioning the mother and her stories here. I've been reluctant to post my thoughts on this case but there's very little that has been said by the mother that I believe. At this point in time, I just don't believe Justin had anything to do with Ayla's disappearance. If it turns out that he did, I'll be glad to eat a bucket full of crow but I have way more hinky feelings with this mother than I do with Justin period.

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

GRACE: So you went all on your own without even a lawyer to help you, trying to get custody. Why, Trista, were you trying to get full custody?

REYNOLDS: Because her father has never had anything to do with her up until I needed to go and get a little bit of help for myself. And then when I left my daughter with my sister, that`s when he decided, You know what? I`m going to take Ayla.

And I want to put it out there that every time my daughter has gone with Justin, she would always come back with bruises on her or she had come back with a pulled muscle.

 

[askfornina]

More untruths:
Now, Trista said at one point this week that she was told to stay away from the search and stay away from the investigation. The police chief was asked about that today and denied that and doesn`t know where that is coming from. The only place where they are denied access is the home where Ayla was last seen and that home where she was sleeping when she reportedly went missing. That home is now guarded by a police officer, and no one except police is allowed to go in and out.

not trying to argue, just trying to get the facts this above statement is from the JVM transcript from Dec.21st. here is the transcript from the news conference from Dec.21st, what Chief Massey really said.:

Q: Is it true that you told Trista Reynolds not to search, and has Justin Dipietro and his family expressed an interest in searching to police?

A: I personally do not have any information that she has asked to participate in the searches, nor do I have any information that Justin has.

Q: Would you have given them permission? Is that something you would know about if it happened?

A: Not necessarily. We have talked to the family, and as I said the family continues to be fully cooperative. If they at some point had offered that to investigators, I'm not sure.

Q: Would they be allowed to?

A: Uh, when we do a search, we determine the type of searchers that we need. In some areas, we need the specialized training that I talked about these folks have today. In other searches, we ask for volunteers, and we go ahead and coordinate that. That's something that the search coordinator would make some determination on.

http://www.wmtw.com/video/30048773/detail.html

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

I'm glad to see that more people are questioning the mother and her stories here. I've been reluctant to post my thoughts on this case but there's very little that has been said by the mother that I believe. At this point in time, I just don't believe Justin had anything to do with Ayla's disappearance. If it turns out that he did, I'll be glad to eat a bucket full of crow but I have way more hinky feelings with this mother than I do with Justin period.

I will gladly share that bucket of crow with you too...because I do not believe in any way that dad is guilty of harming Ayla, or covering up any accident. I believe 99.9% that the mom is the one involved and she made arrangements to come back and take Ayla as she knew the court process was not going to be in her favor. I also want to say that while I do not like publicly making statements about the inner works of someone else's lifestyle, but the environment that the mom provided Ayla for 18 months was NOT an environment for an baby, let alone two. While a newborn and small baby were in her care...she was abusing drugs...which also says she more than probably has seedy friends and unsavory characters that the children were exposed. I commend her for realizing her lifestyle was not good and going for help at rehab, however, call me a skeptic but I also find it hard to believe 10 days is enough to keep someone free and clear from abusing alcohol or drugs. Also, was this done on her own or court mandated? Again...why was she not living with one or other of her parents upon release? Why that dump hotel? Why hasnt the father of the new baby come forward? Did she keep this baby from his knowledge so as not to have 2 dads coming after the children? Just too much smoke and mirrors going on here that I do not find much of what she says as trust worthy and certainly do not view JD as she is wanting the public to view him.

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

"For an offender to come into a home in the middle of the night, find that child's room and snatch that child away without anyone becoming aware, those are extremely rare cases", he said.

from former FBI profiler.

http://www.wlbz2.com/news/article/184479/3/Former-FBI-profiler-weighs-in-on-Maine-case

I agree. Which is why I suspect the mom and/or her friends. She knew the layout of the home. Ayla wouldn't cry if it were someone she recognized. Also, who was the unknown car that came at night that caused the neighbor to take notice after her dog was barking crazily?

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

This reminded me of something :

Remember one of the neighbor's comments -- she said something like she did not even know that Ayla was living there at the house -- she saw the other child living there, but not Ayla ... :waitasec:

Sorry ... don't have the link handy ...

Oh ... btw, just turned on HLN and Vinnie Politan covering Ayla.

Weather is kind of cold right now for children to be outside playing. Very easily for a neighbor to not see a child within the home. And Ayla is too young to be outside solo.

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

my 2 cents:

The Mom or someone she knew would not enter a home with many other's there to snatch the child. They would have waited for another opportunity. I'm sure since many where in that house there were more then a few cars parked. After all this might have been why neighbor's reported a party.

I also agree anyone who would even attempt taking the child for the Mother would be as confrontational as the Mom would be. I just don't see this happening in a FULL HOUSE!

I also again do not see a stranger abduction for the other baby was left alone. Reason's people will risk entering a full house to snatch a child is either a pedophile or someone wanting a child to sell or have one of their own. All three I would think the other child described as an infant would have been a better "Get" (excuse that wording)

This remains that someone in that home was responsible. Don't try to sell me an accident and family helped out by disposing of the body ala Casey Anthony. Nope, why cover up an accident and risk being charged with a crime, when calling the police or 911 could show it was an accident. Even if lets say the dad gave the child drugs in her bottle to put her to sleep, still would be lesser then murder charges eventually. He would have a better shot at a defense.

Now not knowing all who was in the house, and unable (because of TOS) to sleuth family members that were in the home to see if they have any record, leaves me just like the Ayla's grandfather, let the police handle it. Until more, nothing we can do. Once police name a suspect or parties talk in the media nothing to do.

If the door was unlocked, and whomever came in knew that happens often, and grandma and dad were sleeping....and the person knew the layout of the home...yes..it could very well be accomplished quite easily. The confrontation would only occur if someone woke up. The rumors of the full house was never confirmed and certainly at an odd hour of the morning had their been visitors most left by that time. Plenty of time for mom/friend to come and take Ayla.

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

not trying to argue, just trying to get the facts this above statement is from the JVM transcript from Dec.21st. here is the transcript from the news conference from Dec.21st, what Chief Massey really said.:

Q: Is it true that you told Trista Reynolds not to search, and has Justin Dipietro and his family expressed an interest in searching to police?

A: I personally do not have any information that she has asked to participate in the searches, nor do I have any information that Justin has.

Q: Would you have given them permission? Is that something you would know about if it happened?

A: Not necessarily. We have talked to the family, and as I said the family continues to be fully cooperative. If they at some point had offered that to investigators, I'm not sure.

Q: Would they be allowed to?

A: Uh, when we do a search, we determine the type of searchers that we need. In some areas, we need the specialized training that I talked about these folks have today. In other searches, we ask for volunteers, and we go ahead and coordinate that. That's something that the search coordinator would make some determination on.

http://www.wmtw.com/video/30048773/detail.html

There is another report out there in which Massey stated (almost chuckled) that he never told the mom that she was not to come to Waterville. I will search for it later after work.

 

[askfornina]

snipped for space, respectfully

ok, so he's never had anything at all to do with her in her 18 months. And then they had an agreement for him to take her. Or DHS enforced it, it's not entirely clear.

Then he doesn't let her have Ayla, not one single time, when she gets out of rehab.

also respectfully snipped

just a few things here, according to Becca Hanson, Ayla's maternal grandmother:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1112/20/ng.01.html

HANSON: Because daddy really never had anything to do with the baby much before the June of this year.

and, this quote from Trista:

http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/45814327#45814327

TR: No, I had went like two and a half weeks without seeing her when I first got out of rehab, and then after, um, like the first week of November, I didn't see her again until the 21st of November. And then after the 21st of November I did not see her again.

she says she saw her after she got of out rehab twice.

 

[askfornina]

There is another report out there in which Massey stated (almost chuckled) that he never told the mom that she was not to come to Waterville. I will search for it later after work.

please do, I have never seen that.

 

[menmo]

This reminded me of something :

Remember one of the neighbor's comments -- she said something like she did not even know that Ayla was living there at the house -- she saw the other child living there, but not Ayla ... :waitasec:

Sorry ... don't have the link handy ...

Oh ... btw, just turned on HLN and Vinnie Politan covering Ayla.

I think this is weird but possible. Maybe the dad or even his mom wanted to keep Ayla inside because he feared TR or someone would come and try and take her.
Then again, maybe it's because of all those alleged bruises and the broken arm and fearing what the neighbors might start to think.
I wonder what the neighbors opinion is of this family. I also wonder what TR neighbors think of them. I know opinions aren't always reliable but still, they've known of the families longer than we have.

"REYNOLDS: Because her father has never had anything to do with her up until I needed to go and get a little bit of help for myself. And then when I left my daughter with my sister, that`s when he decided, You know what? I`m going to take Ayla."

I pulled this from up above. But I am confused. Once she got into rehab, he decided to take Ayla, and thats when they made the agreement, or was it before, which is the was I have originally taken it these past few weeks.

This is the way it often happens with modifications of custody, IMO. The non custodial parent waits for the prime opportunity to go in and have the best chance to be granted custody of the child. On one hand if TR was getting help for her addiction then kudos, on the other hand the Judge may think it's not a good environment for the child because often the past is a good prediction of the future. Not always but sometimes.

This was already proven to be a false statement by the mother in her plea for wanting the public to look upon JD as a "bad person" in my opinion. She is the only one slinging untruths. She contradicted herself by saying the above...and yet in another interview claims that Ayla "was always coming home with bruises."

GRACE: So you went all on your own without even a lawyer to help you, trying to get custody. Why, Trista, were you trying to get full custody?

REYNOLDS: Because her father has never had anything to do with her up until I needed to go and get a little bit of help for myself. And then when I left my daughter with my sister, that`s when he decided, You know what? I`m going to take Ayla.

And I want to put it out there that every time my daughter has gone with Justin, she would always come back with bruises on her or she had come back with a pulled muscle.

I don't think she's saying that Ayla never went with Justin. I think she's saying that he didn't seem thrilled about it, perhaps. Maybe mom, the girlfriend or other family members pushed Justin to be a part of Ayla's life? I've known lots of men and women that when the adult relationship ended they no longer wanted much to do with the children. Of course I realize this relationship wasn't a traditional one.
Without a legal custody order signed by a Judge I'm unsure why TR would continue letting Justin keep Ayla after coming home with the bruises and the broken arm.

MOO

 

[tamild]

I've had a problem with mom since the beginning. I'm not ready to say that I believe she was involved, but I'm certainly not claiming she wasn't.

I will say regarding the "agreement" between TR and JD...TR herself said that the agreement was that JD would take care of Ayla until she, TR, was back on her feet. Seeing as she's still living in a motel, I don't know how she can claim that JD violated this agreement. JMO

I asked this up thread, but it was never clarified. Do we know if Justin was even aware he had a child prior to June of 2011? Are there any photos or anything of Justin with an infant Ayla?