ME ME - Ayla Reynolds, 20 mnths, Waterville, 17 December 2011 - # 5

[deoneta]

On the FInd Ayla FB, which is public, there was a conversation with the sister of Justin. She posted and then her posts went poof, so could not link back to them. But she said that her daughter was 'fussy' and so she went in at 10 pm and took her into bed with her. Now this was posted before we heard about another baby maybe being there too. So I don'tknow if Ayla was alone there then or not. But after seeing that post I thought that maybe that was why he did not wake up. because the other baby was already being tended to, so JD might have just slept in.

I wonder if this has anything to do with 8PM versus 10PM being the last time Ayla was seen. I wonder where the gf's baby slept. I used to have a small foldable playpen type deal with a pad that we used for a portable bed when we traveled so I am wondering if the gf had something similar which could have been set up anywhere in the house. Of course, this account of taking her baby into her room makes it easy for the sister to say I was in my room with my baby, I know nothing, saw nothing, heard nothing. All MOO.

 

[Indy Anna]

Then my question would be "why now?" Why did he pick that particular time to report her missing? It's not like people from school would miss her, and he could have just stopped answering TR's phone calls altogether. Better yet, he could have gone on the run...so many possibilities...

My thought is that JD knew TR wanted Ayla back (as arranged) since she was out of rehab. I'm thinking that he may have told his mother, PD, that Ayla had already gone back to live with TR, assuming Ayla had been missing at least a week. So, JD had to come up with an explanation of Ayla's whereabouts ASAP. Assuming, too, that PD spent the weekend elsewhere (as proposed in my previous post), JD may have seen the weekend as the only opportunity to stage an abduction.

All in the household, I suspect, believed that Ayla had returned to TR, but JD may have claimed that TR was delivering Ayla to him for the weekend. If I'm right about the weekend partying at the home, the other two adults may not have been "alert," so they didn't realize that Ayla never arrived.

By now, I would think JD's sister, GF and mother are very uncomfortable (if this scenario is correct) because they realize that JD is not telling the whole truth and not only want to protect him, but also want to protect themselves. PD feels guilty for not being home the night Ayla supposedly disappeared; and the sister and GF do not want to discuss the heavy partying in the home that night. MOO

 

[Indy Anna]

I wonder if this has anything to do with 8PM versus 10PM being the last time Ayla was seen. I wonder where the gf's baby slept. I used to have a small foldable playpen type deal with a pad that we used for a portable bed when we traveled so I am wondering if the gf had something similar which could have been set up anywhere in the house. Of course, this account of taking her baby into her room makes it easy for the sister to say I was in my room with my baby, I know nothing, saw nothing, heard nothing. All MOO.

BBM
Good point. I wonder if JD's sister became uncomfortable with the conversation on FB over questions about the number of children in the house the night Ayla disappeared. Originally, MSM stated there were three adults and TWO children present (IIRC, I believe that was a quote from LE). Later, the number of children present was changed to three. It was presumed that the initial count was of children besides Ayla.

So, what if the women had initially told LE that only two children were in the house that night because that was the truth? But, when they realized JD was claiming Ayla was there too and disappeared during the night, they amended their stories to concur with his? Just speculating.

 

[CuriousDi]

I wonder if this has anything to do with 8PM versus 10PM being the last time Ayla was seen. I wonder where the gf's baby slept. I used to have a small foldable playpen type deal with a pad that we used for a portable bed when we traveled so I am wondering if the gf had something similar which could have been set up anywhere in the house. Of course, this account of taking her baby into her room makes it easy for the sister to say I was in my room with my baby, I know nothing, saw nothing, heard nothing. All MOO.

I read those posts on Find Ayla too, and don't remember the exact wording, but I was left with the impression that it was at around 10 pm that the sister's baby woke up fussy and thats when she brought her into her own room. So yes, in theory, JD's sister could have seen Ayla sleeping in her bed at around 10 pm. Also the gf's baby looks older/bigger than Ayla in the FB picture, so he probably would not have been comfortable sleeping in a portacrib.

Diana

 

[keeponsearching]

I think if Ayla was not at that house that night, then JJD would already been in handcuffs. No way can all those people get the same story straight. Someone would say she wasn't there. I can't find the whole text, but I guess I took Justins text to the tr as in I am afraid someone is going to take Ayla, as mean away from him, he won't have custody. Even the tr kinda pointed towards that. I can't imagine anyone harming Ayla in the house, with 2 moms there, the sis and gf, mommy would kick in. Now when bedtime rolled around, my thoughts. Either stranger abducted baby, or even a robbery gone wrong... think of riley fox... I see both parents really are not involved in the missing baby. my opinion only,

 

[Detective Klimpt]

I think if Ayla was not at that house that night, then JJD would already been in handcuffs. No way can all those people get the same story straight. Someone would say she wasn't there. I can't find the whole text, but I guess I took Justins text to the tr as in I am afraid someone is going to take Ayla, as mean away from him, he won't have custody. Even the tr kinda pointed towards that. I can't imagine anyone harming Ayla in the house, with 2 moms there, the sis and gf, mommy would kick in. Now when bedtime rolled around, my thoughts. Either stranger abducted baby, or even a robbery gone wrong... think of riley fox... I see both parents really are not involved in the missing baby. my opinion only,

BBM. I agree with most of your post except that I do think JD is involved in some way. As for the bolded part, maybe those that were there did not get the same story straight. We don't know. Even with hinky stories from all of them, LE might not have enough to make an arrest. It's like the Irwin case; no body, no arrest.

I try to keep up to date with the FB posts, but I've missed any from Elisha. Interesting that she mentions picking up her child at 10pm but not whether she saw Ayla at that time. Why does she keep posting and then deleting them?

 

[katydid23]

BBM. I agree with most of your post except that I do think JD is involved in some way. As for the bolded part, maybe those that were there did not get the same story straight. We don't know. Even with hinky stories from all of them, LE might not have enough to make an arrest. It's like the Irwin case; no body, no arrest.

I try to keep up to date with the FB posts, but I've missed any from Elisha. Interesting that she mentions picking up her child at 10pm but not whether she saw Ayla at that time. Why does she keep posting and then deleting them?

I am not sure that she was the deleter. I am thinking that the administrator might have deleted them.

Someone posted a question to her, which was "Did you see Ayla sleeping in the room when you picked up your baby?" and I was waiting for that answer when all those posts went POOF. Including that question.

 

[Whisperer]

Doesn"t "Smoked it" the same as "Passed with Flying Colors"?....been to this rodeo before.

 

[NFYIAMY]

just thinking......

If the sisters story about taking her child to bed with her because the child woke up fussy at 10 p.m. - that doesn't paint a picture of there being some loud crazy party going on?

Sounds more like a quiet night at home - lying in bed maybe watching tv?

Gosh - so much of this doesn't make sense.

I *DO* believe that the texts TR received (by both her comments and others) that J was under the impression that someone from Trista's side of all of this was going to try and take her.

DID Justin file for custody that week (like TR is quoted as saying was what he told her -- thus prompting her to go file...)? Have we found a record of TR filing? Is there a record of J filing?

 

[cluciano63]

OK, supposing one of the parents did decide to "hide" Ayla...what is the REST of that plan? How and when would they ever be able to rejoin Ayla? And who is this dear devoted friend or relative that is close enough to do such a thing AND cannot be located by LE? I do not get the impression that either of these families has the financial resources to arrange for the "hider" to relocate, for instance. And surely LE is going through each and every contact of both Mom and Dad and verifying their wherabouts.

Plus I keep coming back to LE declaring the case "foul play" rather suddenly. Ayla was always missing, it was apparent fairly soon she had not run away on her, so something changed to make this case more of a criminal matter, IMO, than a parental hiding issue would be. And they did say "evidence" led to that change.

I really think the idea of Ayla being hidden away is a stretch. I feel harm came to her on or before the date she was reported missing. JMO

 

[Helenstreet]

I think if Ayla was not at that house that night, then JJD would already been in handcuffs. No way can all those people get the same story straight. Someone would say she wasn't there. I can't find the whole text, but I guess I took Justins text to the tr as in I am afraid someone is going to take Ayla, as mean away from him, he won't have custody. Even the tr kinda pointed towards that. I can't imagine anyone harming Ayla in the house, with 2 moms there, the sis and gf, mommy would kick in. Now when bedtime rolled around, my t. houghts. Either stranger abducted baby, or even a robbery gone wrong... think of riley fox... I see both parents really are not involved in the missing baby. my opinion only,

I sincerely wish parents were immediately arrested in circumstances where children turn up missing and foul play is expected. At least for the first 48-72 hours when law enforcement is probably most likely to receive a confession, I believe that they should be held due to the fact that a child disappeared on their watch. Maybe I sound extreme, but perhaps more children would be recovered if parents were held responsible as the last person(s) to see their child alive.

Unfortunately, this is rarely the case. I think about cases such as Aarone Thompson, (body never found), and she had been missing for--I believe--4 years before her father was finally sentenced to prison. The stepmother died of natural causes. In that case, there were several other children in the house who hadn't seen Aarone in a few years? One was an older child too. Then, we have the recent case involving the little boy Sky Metalawa who was probably missing for longer than was reported; the mother hasn't been arrested. In the Jahessye Shockley case, it took law enforcement almost a month and a half to arrest the mother for child abuse allegations; apparently the little girl had not been seen for two weeks prior to her reported disappearance. Terri Horman--now that's a whole other story. Where are all of these beautiful children?

 

[cluciano63]

Amir Jennings is the only case I can think of where an arrest was made at once; not that it seems to have produced a confession, but at least LE tried and brought some charges against the mother right away.

If a parent was truly "hiding" a child for what they felt was for the child's "own good", I think there is a good chance they would confess to that, and explain their reasons to LE; but if something "bad" had happened on their watch or they were the cause of the child's demise, they probably would hold firm and keep their secrets.

Still, it does seem that something should be able to be done, legally, to an adult who loses track of a young child. But I still don't see that charging a parent with "neglect" for example, would lead to a confession if in fact they had done something much worse.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

My thought is that JD knew TR wanted Ayla back (as arranged) since she was out of rehab. I'm thinking that he may have told his mother, PD, that Ayla had already gone back to live with TR, assuming Ayla had been missing at least a week. So, JD had to come up with an explanation of Ayla's whereabouts ASAP. Assuming, too, that PD spent the weekend elsewhere (as proposed in my previous post), JD may have seen the weekend as the only opportunity to stage an abduction.

All in the household, I suspect, believed that Ayla had returned to TR, but JD may have claimed that TR was delivering Ayla to him for the weekend. If I'm right about the weekend partying at the home, the other two adults may not have been "alert," so they didn't realize that Ayla never arrived.

By now, I would think JD's sister, GF and mother are very uncomfortable (if this scenario is correct) because they realize that JD is not telling the whole truth and not only want to protect him, but also want to protect themselves. PD feels guilty for not being home the night Ayla supposedly disappeared; and the sister and GF do not want to discuss the heavy partying in the home that night. MOO

BBM: Wow ... one of my several "theories" is very similar to this ... lol ...

JMO ... but I do think that Ayla was missing BEFORE Dec 16 for the following reasons:

- The text messages JD sent to TR about "someone" taking Ayla ... hinky ... WHY send SUCH a message ?

- Ayla's missed doctor's appointment on December 16 -- the day BEFORE she was reported missing ... WHY did this baby MISS her scheduled doctor's appt ?

- There is NO VERIFIED ACCOUNT from a non-family member WHEN Ayla was last seen ... so WHO was the LAST PERSON to see Ayla who is NOT a member of the family -- and GF's, BF's, significant others do NOT count ...

MOO ...

 

[lonetraveler]

Could also explain why mommy wasn't there. She probably left not wanting to be a part of it. Or she took care of putting Ayla somewhere. MOO

These are my thoughts as well in regards to JD's mother.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

I think if Ayla was not at that house that night, then JJD would already been in handcuffs. No way can all those people get the same story straight. Someone would say she wasn't there. I can't find the whole text, but I guess I took Justins text to the tr as in I am afraid someone is going to take Ayla, as mean away from him, he won't have custody. Even the tr kinda pointed towards that. I can't imagine anyone harming Ayla in the house, with 2 moms there, the sis and gf, mommy would kick in. Now when bedtime rolled around, my thoughts. Either stranger abducted baby, or even a robbery gone wrong... think of riley fox... I see both parents really are not involved in the missing baby. my opinion only,

BBM: Respectfully I disagree ...

JMO, but IF those that were at the house that night had "something to hide", for example: drug or alcohol use, they would go along with the story ... and they are going to keep their mouth shut ...

One example that comes to mind is Misty Croslin -- she knows "something" -- but she is keeping her mouth shut -- even while sitting in jail ! JMO but she "went along" with Ronald Cummings "story" not just for herself, but for Ron ... MOO ...

Another example is Cindy Anthony -- look at the "power" she had over her "spineless" husband and her son and those two "men" marched to every beat of Cindy's drum and followed her marching orders to a T !

Some people do know how to "put a hold" on others ...

And JMO ... but I think those that were -- or were NOT there the night Ayla "allegedly" went missing KNOW something ...

They are just keeping :silenced::silenced::silenced:

MOO ...

 

[tlcya]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...a-lie-detector-test-says-shell-share-results/

Trista Reynolds told the Bangor Daily News that she has been asking police to administer lie detector tests to her and other family members.

"When I go, you best believe I'm going to tell everyone out there the results," said Reynolds.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

The fiance is mentioned here (not by name) only with regard to picking out the name "Ayla."

http://bangordailynews.com/2012/01/...lds-i-dont-think-ayla-has-ever-had-a-bad-day/

You're right, any forthcoming info from him is remarkably absent---just like JD's family members' statements or input. He has obviously been with TR since before Ayla was born, I'm sure he would know a lot about the situation (bruises, custody arguments, etc).

Thank you, HiHater!
I had missed this article. The father of the younger son is TR's fiancee, and was with TR since before Ayla's birth. According to this article he helped to choose Ayla's name before her birth.

 

[Detective Klimpt]

Do you think this fiance is still around now, because I do not. I doubt he was even around after Ayla was born.

 

[katydid23]

Do you think this fiance is still around now, because I do not. I doubt he was even around after Ayla was born.

He had to be around after Ayla was born because I think he is the little brothers father. Correct?

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Then my question would be "why now?" Why did he pick that particular time to report her missing? It's not like people from school would miss her, and he could have just stopped answering TR's phone calls altogether. Better yet, he could have gone on the run...so many possibilities...

Good question.
But...the FIRST question, of course, is who would take/hide a baby? This is not a logical solution to any situation.

So asking, "Why report it now?"...you are right that so many possibilities exist. But none of them need be logical because the whole scenario is not logical.

However, one reason for the timing may be that someone discovered TR was asking for custody, which in turn may require child support? There is no baby...so a reason for no baby has to be created/reported.