ME ME - Ayla Reynolds, 20 mnths, Waterville, 17 December 2011 - # 5

[IHAVENOCLUE]

My thought is that JD knew TR wanted Ayla back (as arranged) since she was out of rehab. I'm thinking that he may have told his mother, PD, that Ayla had already gone back to live with TR, assuming Ayla had been missing at least a week. So, JD had to come up with an explanation of Ayla's whereabouts ASAP. Assuming, too, that PD spent the weekend elsewhere (as proposed in my previous post), JD may have seen the weekend as the only opportunity to stage an abduction.

All in the household, I suspect, believed that Ayla had returned to TR, but JD may have claimed that TR was delivering Ayla to him for the weekend. If I'm right about the weekend partying at the home, the other two adults may not have been "alert," so they didn't realize that Ayla never arrived.

By now, I would think JD's sister, GF and mother are very uncomfortable (if this scenario is correct) because they realize that JD is not telling the whole truth and not only want to protect him, but also want to protect themselves. PD feels guilty for not being home the night Ayla supposedly disappeared; and the sister and GF do not want to discuss the heavy partying in the home that night. MOO

You have brought up good points I hadn't thought about. Maybe the others in the house thought Ayla had gone back to TR's, and so they didn't even realize Ayla was "missing".
Whooooo! If this is the case, JD is being quite a manipulator, and is getting sooo many people involved, in addition to the most important person...Ayla!

 

[matou]

On the FInd Ayla FB, which is public, there was a conversation with the sister of Justin. She posted and then her posts went poof, so could not link back to them. But she said that her daughter was 'fussy' and so she went in at 10 pm and took her into bed with her. Now this was posted before we heard about another baby maybe being there too. So I don'tknow if Ayla was alone there then or not. But after seeing that post I thought that maybe that was why he did not wake up. because the other baby was already being tended to, so JD might have just slept in.

So did ED go to bed herself at 10 pm? No one has given a public time of when they went to bed yet. This 10 pm time corresponds to the first reports that were later changed by police in a presser from 10 pm to 8 pm as the time Ayla was last seen. It went from being a family member to being JD. There's something going on with that. Did ED see Ayla or what?

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I am not sure that she was the deleter. I am thinking that the administrator might have deleted them.

Someone posted a question to her, which was "Did you see Ayla sleeping in the room when you picked up your baby?" and I was waiting for that answer when all those posts went POOF. Including that question.

Soooo interesting that FB answers and posts keep going "poof"!

And soooo interesting, and frustrating, that the answer to "Did you see Ayla when you went to get your little one that night?" never was answered!

(I have not been following FB, so I appreciate any info. relayed here!)

 

[deoneta]

He had to be around after Ayla was born because I think he is the little brothers father. Correct?

That's the impression I got. Also, he's not named as former fiance, although that doesn't prove anything one way or the other. I have wondered if maybe he's an alibi witness for TR. I believe TR was staying in the motel the night of the disappearance. I wonder if that motel had surveillance cameras. TR seems to "tell everything", even if it's often confusing, whether it looks bad or good on her. She keeps saying she knows no more from LE than what ends up in the newspapers. There are no accounts from her of LE asking her the same questions over and over or calling her a liar as we have with JD. I've seen nothing that makes me think she is under suspicion. Maybe if the LDT's happen, LE will make a statement, but I'm not really expecting that if they hold true to pattern. All MOO

 

[Detective Klimpt]

He had to be around after Ayla was born because I think he is the little brothers father. Correct?

I don't see it that way. The fiance was with Trista at the time she was pregnant with Ayla or maybe even after Ayla was born. There is nothing that I can find that says this is the same person that fathered her young son that is under one year. Her young son is going by the last name F<******>. There is no mention of his father, and it seems he isn't involved in the baby's life. Otherwise, why wouldn't he be taking care of the baby instead of Trista's sister.

 

[prncsskc]

The most troublesome part in JD's stories is the timing. Ayla had an appointment with a bone specialist on Friday 12/16. JD told TR on the evening of 12/15 that he wasn't going to bring Ayla to that appointment. Was the reason he wouldn't let TR see or even speak to her daughter that Ayla wasn't there any longer. Something happened to Ayla and he couldn't produce her? Children go missing during the night more often nowadays. It’s a common occurrence. So how hard is it to understand what JD did next. On 12/17 JD reported that Ayla was missing. Why did PD back out of "pretending" she was there, as usual. on the evening of 12/16 when Ayla was put to bed at 8pm by her father. What prompted PD to set the record straight, that she wasn't there during the time Ayla "disappeared". Is it because PD is afraid that she could be charged with aiding /abetting.
Ayla most likely wasn't physically there on 12/16 but Ayla had been scheduled for an important doctor appointment on that day. Where was Ayla? JD knows because he is the one who filed the abduction claim on 12/17. He wasn't going to be able to cover for Ayla's absence from the home much longer. He could not continue to stall TR, who kept asking to speak to Ayla. What really happened to Ayla.? How long has Ayla really been absent from that home? No wonder LE has not been successful in their land and water searches. Ayla has been gone too long. Does JD think he can just get on with his life now, without the burden of a child, and being held legally responsible for child support. Nah, that sounds too easy.

IMHO

:gthanks: so much for posting this!! This is what I have been thinking/saying since the beginning. This is what I keep returning to everytime I think about this case. Where was Ayla? When was the last time she was actually seen by someone other than JD??

 

[katydid23]

It is hard for me to believe that JD's mother, sister, girlfriend, and perhaps gf's sister, would ALL lie for him and cover up the baby's death. IF he had lied to them and she was not there for a few days, would they all put their own lives on the line and lie about that now? That is hard for me to believe.

 

[deoneta]

I don't see it that way. The fiance was with Trista at the time she was pregnant with Ayla or maybe even after Ayla was born. There is nothing that I can find that says this is the same person that fathered her young son that is under one year. Her young son is going by the last name F<******>. There is no mention of his father, and it seems he isn't involved in the baby's life. Otherwise, why wouldn't he be taking care of the baby instead of Trista's sister.

You may well be correct. What made me think the finance and the father are one in the same is that Ayla is a Reynolds whereas the younger child goes by a different name, suggesting, at least at that time, an ongoing relationship. Ayla and her younger brother are only 11 months apart. I guess another significant relationship could have come up between the baby naming conversations and the second pregnancy. I wonder if TR was engaged when she became pregnant with Ayla. In that case, I can see the engagement ending after Ayla's birth. I'm not inclined to think the fiance plays a role in the disapperance, whatever his status, so I guess it really doesn't matter. All MOO.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

It is hard for me to believe that JD's mother, sister, girlfriend, and perhaps gf's sister, would ALL lie for him and cover up the baby's death. IF he had lied to them and she was not there for a few days, would they all put their own lives on the line and lie about that now? That is hard for me to believe.

BBM: JMO, but it IS believable and it seems to be happening more and more where "family members" LIE and cover-up for those who have committed crimes ... and murder ...

There are lots of "mothers" and "fathers", who have covered up for their lying children that have murdered, as well as "girlfriends" and "boyfriends" who have covered up :

Example : The Anthony Family ... Mother, Father and Brother ALL LIED and covered up for Casey ... :furious: oh -- and Mommy committed PERJURY -- all for her criminal daughter :furious:

Another Example : Steve Powelll has been covering for Josh Powell since day 1, in addition to coming up with untrue and just absolutely unbelievable statements about Susan to "protect" his Josh ...:sick:

Another Example : Misty Croslin -- GirlFriend to Ron Cummings -- absolutely lied and covered up for BF Ron ... :sick:

And there are many others out there who COVER ...

In this case ... my guess is they are "covering" because of something "illegal" ... KWIM ?

MOO

 

[katydid23]

BBM: JMO, but it IS believable and it seems to be happening more and more where "family members" LIE and cover-up for those who have committed crimes ... and murder ...

There are lots of "mothers" and "fathers", who have covered up for their lying children that have murdered, as well as "girlfriends" and "boyfriends" who have covered up :

Example : The Anthony Family ... Mother, Father and Brother ALL LIED and covered up for Casey ... :furious: oh -- and Mommy committed PERJURY -- all for her criminal daughter :furious:

Another Example : Steve Powelll has been covering for Josh Powell since day 1, in addition to coming up with untrue and just absolutely unbelievable statements about Susan to "protect" his Josh ...:sick:

Another Example : Misty Croslin -- GirlFriend to Ron Cummings -- absolutely lied and covered up for BF Ron ... :sick:

And there are many others out there who COVER ...

In this case ... my guess is they are "covering" because of something "illegal" ... KWIM ?

MOO

I see your point. But in none of those examples, did the family members claim to be there when the child went missing. They lied ,after the fact, to try and throw off the investigations. [ well, MAYBE George lied about seeing Caylee leave with Casey that afternoon...idk]

 

[cityslick]

BBM: JMO, but it IS believable and it seems to be happening more and more where "family members" LIE and cover-up for those who have committed crimes ... and murder ...

There are lots of "mothers" and "fathers", who have covered up for their lying children that have murdered, as well as "girlfriends" and "boyfriends" who have covered up :

Example : The Anthony Family ... Mother, Father and Brother ALL LIED and covered up for Casey ... :furious: oh -- and Mommy committed PERJURY -- all for her criminal daughter :furious:

Another Example : Steve Powelll has been covering for Josh Powell since day 1, in addition to coming up with untrue and just absolutely unbelievable statements about Susan to "protect" his Josh ...:sick:

Another Example : Misty Croslin -- GirlFriend to Ron Cummings -- absolutely lied and covered up for BF Ron ... :sick:

And there are many others out there who COVER ...

In this case ... my guess is they are "covering" because of something "illegal" ... KWIM ?

MOO

Not the same thing as in this case. In this case, all these people are claiming to actually be there when she disappeared, thus putting themselves at the scene. It's one thing to lie for someone, it's another to put yourself in that lie for someone else. This is multiple people doing this.

 

[prncsskc]

Then my question would be "why now?" Why did he pick that particular time to report her missing? It's not like people from school would miss her, and he could have just stopped answering TR's phone calls altogether. Better yet, he could have gone on the run...so many possibilities...

MOO would be that perhaps (if PD is in fact working with DHS) he found out that TR was filing for rights and responsibilities. That means that a case worker would probably be visiting soon, or that he would be required to produce the child, and much like Sky's case, an alleged abduction would be the best way to explain the loss/disappearance of the child, and would buy time to cover everything up.

JMO

 

[Donjeta]

You have brought up good points I hadn't thought about. Maybe the others in the house thought Ayla had gone back to TR's, and so they didn't even realize Ayla was "missing".
Whooooo! If this is the case, JD is being quite a manipulator, and is getting sooo many people involved, in addition to the most important person...Ayla!

It seems implausible to me. It would be hard to get this to work so the police don't find out. If he had told his family lies about Ayla being with Trista what if even one person let it slip to the police? He'd have had to invent an improbable bunch of lies again to explain why they need to tell the police now that Ayla was there all the time and why TR is saying she hasn't seen Ayla even though she was visiting TR, or he'd have to fess up and get them all to agree to cover for him. If his loved ones were agreeable to covering for him then why would he need to lie to them to begin with?

I suppose it's possible but it's too complicated for me unless there is some evidence to support it.

 

[tlcya]

I have a couple of theories that I am running with at the moment.

I do not feel Ayla was missing for long prior to being reported thus.

Theory 1) My feeling is that something unexpected ocurred. A panicked coverup began. Sometime within the 48 hours prior to her being reported missing.

I know that his purported texts don't fit well into this theory but in this one, the odd texts could be paranoia or baiting one might use in an anticipated contested custody battle.

Theory 2) JD had no wish to be a father, let alone a full time one. His involvement in Ayla's life was solely driven by his mother (whose roof he lived beneath) and possibly any custody battle that may have been brewing was driven more by PD than by JD.

I find it intersting that while this grandmother, who even TR seemed to trust and know cared for her daughter, was gone from that home for her weekend plans, during that time period is when little Ayla goes missing.

Now some might say that if JD doesn't want to be a fulltime, custodial father, he should simply turn Ayla over to her mother. But I am tending toward the opinion that if my speculations are true, PD would never have allowed him to do that. Therefore, Ayla had to disappear.

Now in this theory, the texts do make sense, almost like he is setting up the possiblility that Ayla might "go missing"

This is simply today's theories for me and who the heck knows what tomorrows will be. Not I.

 

[matou]

I have a couple of theories that I am running with at the moment.

I do not feel Ayla was missing for long prior to being reported thus.

Theory 1) My feeling is that something unexpected ocurred. A panicked coverup began. Sometime within the 48 hours prior to her being reported missing.

I know that his purported texts don't fit well into this theory but in this one, the odd texts could be paranoia or baiting one might use in an anticipated contested custody battle.

Theory 2) JD had no wish to be a father, let alone a full time one. His involvement in Ayla's life was solely driven by his mother (whose roof he lived beneath) and possibly any custody battle that may have been brewing was driven more by PD than by JD.

I find it intersting that while this grandmother, who even TR seemed to trust and know cared for her daughter, was gone from that home for her weekend plans, during that time period is when little Ayla goes missing.

Now some might say that if JD doesn't want to be a fulltime, custodial father, he should simply turn Ayla over to her mother. But I am tending toward the opinion that if my speculations are true, PD would never have allowed him to do that. Therefore, Ayla had to disappear.

Now in this theory, the texts do make sense, almost like he is setting up the possiblility that Ayla might "go missing"

This is simply today's theories for me and who the heck knows what tomorrows will be. Not I.

I`m not sure what to think about PD. She ran out to tell JD that Ayla`s arm was swollen but then backs off. Why didn`t she take Ayla to the hospital, if JD was tied up with his course? JMO

 

[Caligram]

Perhaps JD told the others a fabricated story about an accident happening to Ayla, something that was fatal, and he freaked out and disposed of her in a river or something. When he realized that it was foolish to dispose of her instead of calling 911, it was too late, and impossible to retrieve her body. He would sound remorseful and say that he did a dumb thing but didn't want to go to jail for making the wrong decision. So he, looking pitiful, tearful, and contrite, got the others to agree to his story about Ayla disappearing. All they had to agree to was seeing Ayla on Friday night. His sister didn't want full responsibility of backing JD up, so he convinced his gf to come to the house. Note that sis said she brought her child into her own room at ten that night. So of course the "intruder" wouldn't have woken her child during the process of taking Ayla.
I think these two women got caught up in something they thought was justified, that they were saving Justin from an undeserved jail term over an accidental death.

I have no idea what really happened to Ayla. I do not believe she was alive on Friday, thus the missed doctor appointment. Justin couldn't keep stalling, because TR was going to demand that he produce Ayla to see with her own eyes that Ayla was okay.

JD may be very confident that Ayla will not be found. He had ample opportunity to find an ideal way to dispose of her. If he had a cell phone chances are he knew better than to bring it along. Just a little "tip" that he learned from other parent of "missing" children.

This is all IMHO. Another heartbreaking case possibly going nowhere.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

I see your point. But in none of those examples, did the family members claim to be there when the child went missing. They lied ,after the fact, to try and throw off the investigations. [ well, MAYBE George lied about seeing Caylee leave with Casey that afternoon...idk]

Yes, I see your point as well ... But, in one of my examples, Misty Croslin claimed to be "sleeping" when Haleigh went "missing" ... and then the "cover-up" began ...

:waitasec: Sometimes I do not say things as clearly as I should ... lol ... :innocent:

Not the same thing as in this case. In this case, all these people are claiming to actually be there when she disappeared, thus putting themselves at the scene. It's one thing to lie for someone, it's another to put yourself in that lie for someone else. This is multiple people doing this.

I see your point ... BUT ... it has not been verified WHO was or was NOT at the house the night Justin is "claiming" Ayla went missing ... and a change of story from Justin's mother ...

So yes, it could be that these people WERE at the house and MAYBE there was an "accident" ... and they could have been "indulging" in some "goodies" :innocent: So ... maybe they feared charges of "neglect" or for something else ? :innocent: So a "cover-up" is possible ? Just thinking out loud here ...


While I may not have used good examples here ... the bottom line is that family members and "significant others" DO COVER-UP and LIE ... and JMO, but nothing would surprise me in this case ... it is just reminding me so much of the Cummings and Croslins ... KWIM ?

I just hope and pray that little Ayla is FOUND and JUSTICE for this baby ...

:seeya:

 

[Sparklin]

My thought is that JD knew TR wanted Ayla back (as arranged) since she was out of rehab. I'm thinking that he may have told his mother, PD, that Ayla had already gone back to live with TR, assuming Ayla had been missing at least a week. So, JD had to come up with an explanation of Ayla's whereabouts ASAP. Assuming, too, that PD spent the weekend elsewhere (as proposed in my previous post), JD may have seen the weekend as the only opportunity to stage an abduction.

All in the household, I suspect, believed that Ayla had returned to TR, but JD may have claimed that TR was delivering Ayla to him for the weekend. If I'm right about the weekend partying at the home, the other two adults may not have been "alert," so they didn't realize that Ayla never arrived.

By now, I would think JD's sister, GF and mother are very uncomfortable (if this scenario is correct) because they realize that JD is not telling the whole truth and not only want to protect him, but also want to protect themselves. PD feels guilty for not being home the night Ayla supposedly disappeared; and the sister and GF do not want to discuss the heavy partying in the home that night. MOO

I believe it has already been reported by LE AND JD that there was only the three adults and three children in the house that night....not a party.

 

[Sparklin]

BBM. I agree with most of your post except that I do think JD is involved in some way. As for the bolded part, maybe those that were there did not get the same story straight. We don't know. Even with hinky stories from all of them, LE might not have enough to make an arrest. It's like the Irwin case; no body, no arrest.

I try to keep up to date with the FB posts, but I've missed any from Elisha. Interesting that she mentions picking up her child at 10pm but not whether she saw Ayla at that time. Why does she keep posting and then deleting them?

That fb page is messed up. Whoever runs it is def. on the 'drag Justin through the mud' train. Anything posted that could be anything positive towards him is deleted pretty quick. I don't think it's even possible to delete your own post on a 'page' once you've posted it. Only the person/people running the page can.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

So did ED go to bed herself at 10 pm? No one has given a public time of when they went to bed yet. This 10 pm time corresponds to the first reports that were later changed by police in a presser from 10 pm to 8 pm as the time Ayla was last seen. It went from being a family member to being JD. There's something going on with that. Did ED see Ayla or what?

Okay...What if sister/child and gf/child came home/over to the house and JD tells them Ayla's asleep. They never see her because she is sleeping in JD's room (basement?) in a travel bed (we used to use them when we traveled, worked in motel rooms, etc.)

Then JD wakes up in the a.m., can't find Ayla, and announces that Ayla is missing.

Sister and GF assumed Ayla was there all along, but she was already "gone" prior to them coming to the house.

Therefore, they are not lying they were there, and they can support JD that the baby went missing that night!

And we can fill in where PD was with various theories...she may not even have been there a few nights in a row.

This is only a theory, and not a strong one...but it explains how the house mates can say they were there, and cover for JD, as well.