ME ME - Ayla Reynolds, 20 mnths, Waterville, 17 December 2011 - # 5

[ThoughtFox]

I see your point. But in none of those examples, did the family members claim to be there when the child went missing. They lied ,after the fact, to try and throw off the investigations. [ well, MAYBE George lied about seeing Caylee leave with Casey that afternoon...idk]

It's usually a case of whether stories make sense after the fact.

Lisa Irwin's mother admits to being home, but she also admits to drinking and passing out.

Sky Metawala's mother said he was ill and she was taking him to the hospital - then she left him alone in the car by the side of the road, later claiming someone kidnapped him. (We don't know what happened there, but she did put herself at the scene just before he "disappeared.")

Kyron Horman's stepmother claimed she never took him out of school that day, but the teacher never saw him again after she left the building, and police seem to believe she drove away with him.

I personally believe that kidnappings by someone outside the family are quite rare. :cow:

In all my years on Websleuths, the only one that really surprised me was the Elizabeth Smart case, and that was partially explained by the layout of the house and the fact that the girls' room was away from everyone else's. Also, ES's upbringing made her very aquiescent and obedient so that she went along with the kidnappers. I honestly doubt most children, even a toddler, would go that quietly in the middle of the night when taken by a stranger.

 

[deoneta]

I believe it has already been reported by LE AND JD that there was only the three adults and three children in the house that night....not a party.

It has also been reported that:

PD was there
PD was not there
There were two children there
There were three children there
LE say there was at least one other person who was not a family member (vague)
Neighbors say there was a party

So what to believe? LE can only go on what they're told until they can confrim or deny.

Party, "partying", I don't think it's confirmed one way or the another. All MOO.

 

[Sparklin]

Perhaps JD told the others a fabricated story about an accident happening to Ayla, something that was fatal, and he freaked out and disposed of her in a river or something. When he realized that it was foolish to dispose of her instead of calling 911, it was too late, and impossible to retrieve her body. He would sound remorseful and say that he did a dumb thing but didn't want to go to jail for making the wrong decision. So he, looking pitiful, tearful, and contrite, got the others to agree to his story about Ayla disappearing. All they had to agree to was seeing Ayla on Friday night. His sister didn't want full responsibility of backing JD up, so he convinced his gf to come to the house. Note that sis said she brought her child into her own room at ten that night. So of course the "intruder" wouldn't have woken her child during the process of taking Ayla.
I think these two women got caught up in something they thought was justified, that they were saving Justin from an undeserved jail term over an accidental death.

I have no idea what really happened to Ayla. I do not believe she was alive on Friday, thus the missed doctor appointment. Justin couldn't keep stalling, because TR was going to demand that he produce Ayla to see with her own eyes that Ayla was okay.

JD may be very confident that Ayla will not be found. He had ample opportunity to find an ideal way to dispose of her. If he had a cell phone chances are he knew better than to bring it along. Just a little "tip" that he learned from other parent of "missing" children.

This is all IMHO. Another heartbreaking case possibly going nowhere.

bbm = Somehow, I don't think a 24 year old guy follows any missing children cases to that extent.

I can't imagine that at least 3 adult parents would agree to help him cover a death, accidental or otherwise.

My question is...regarding the morning of JD's last class, the morning that PD called him back about Aylas arm...if PD works, who watches Ayla ~ who watched her that day???

 

[Sparklin]

Okay...What if sister/child and gf/child came home/over to the house and JD tells them Ayla's asleep. They never see her because she is sleeping in JD's room (basement?) in a travel bed (we used to use them when we traveled, worked in motel rooms, etc.)

Then JD wakes up in the a.m., can't find Ayla, and announces that Ayla is missing.

Sister and GF assumed Ayla was there all along, but she was already "gone" prior to them coming to the house.

Therefore, they are not lying they were there, and they can support JD that the baby went missing that night!

And we can fill in where PD was with various theories...she may not even have been there a few nights in a row.

This is only a theory, and not a strong one...but it explains how the house mates can say they were there, and cover for JD, as well.

But...the sister and her child LIVE there.

 

[Sparklin]

It has also been reported that:

PD was there
PD was not there
There were two children there
There were three children there
LE say there was at least one other person who was not a family member (vague)
Neighbors say there was a party

So what to believe? LE can only go on what they're told until they can confrim or deny.

Party, "partying", I don't think it's confirmed one way or the another. All MOO.

I assumed PD was there by the things she said, but I don't remember any of them stating she was.
LE said 2 children. LE said 3 adults (one non family member *gf*) and 2 children ~ I think they were saying aside from Ayla.
Justin said 3 adults and 3 children, including Ayla.
As for the party ~ I have to admit, I have heard that neighbours have said it, but how many neighbours and what was their pre-requisite for a party??

 

[cluciano63]

That fb page is messed up. Whoever runs it is def. on the 'drag Justin through the mud' train. Anything posted that could be anything positive towards him is deleted pretty quick. I don't think it's even possible to delete your own post on a 'page' once you've posted it. Only the person/people running the page can.

You can, I posted something the other day and then thought better of it and deleted it...FWIW

 

[askfornina]

I assumed PD was there by the things she said, but I don't remember any of them stating she was.
LE said 2 children. LE said 3 adults (one non family member *gf*) and 2 children ~ I think they were saying aside from Ayla.
Justin said 3 adults and 3 children, including Ayla.
As for the party ~ I have to admit, I have heard that neighbours have said it, but how many neighbours and what was their pre-requisite for a party??

BBM LE clarified that here

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/01/14/justice/maine-missing-girl/index.html

Police said Friday that three children -- not two, as they previously said -- were at home the night Ayla went missing.

 

[Detective Klimpt]

My question is...regarding the morning of JD's last class, the morning that PD called him back about Aylas arm...if PD works, who watches Ayla ~ who watched her that day???

Not only that day, but all days. I have been wondering if CPS cares if the person they put in charge of a child has a job or is able to provide supervision of the child 24/7.

 

[Indy Anna]

I believe it has already been reported by LE AND JD that there was only the three adults and three children in the house that night....not a party.

I was referring to the use of an illegal substance as a "party." There may have been only three adults present the entire night, but other people could have stopped by throughout the night. Hence, it may have been reported as a party initially because that may be the way the neighbors described the comings and goings next door. I once had neighbors who would do this. Two couples lived next door with their children, but cars would come and go at all hours of the day and night. At least one of the DiPietro's neighbors reported hearing a car engine next door in the wee hours of the morning.

Even if this is what took place at the house the night Ayla disappeared, it may well have been a "normal" weekend night for them. MOO

 

[askfornina]

http://bangordailynews.com/2012/01/...waterville-vigil-in-honor-of-missing-toddler/

Among the approximately 35 people who held vigil was Justin DiPietro, Ayla’s father, who reported her missing Dec. 17 from his home on Violette Avenue. He sat in the front row with friends and family members, focused on the candle in his hands while friends and strangers prayed for Ayla’s safe return. When the ceremony ended, he was among the last to leave, walking through a gathering of reporters without a word.

video with TR from today@link
http://www.wgme.com/news/top-stories/stories/wgme_vid_10582.shtml

 

[Indy Anna]

It is hard for me to believe that JD's mother, sister, girlfriend, and perhaps gf's sister, would ALL lie for him and cover up the baby's death. IF he had lied to them and she was not there for a few days, would they all put their own lives on the line and lie about that now? That is hard for me to believe.

I'm thinking that they might. Not for JD's sake so much as for their own, if there were illegal substances in the house. Maybe that's why Ayla's disappearance wasn't reported to LE until 9:00 a.m. on Saturday. At that point, the women wouldn't have known that Ayla was dead, but JD told them that TR was bringing her to the house Friday night. In the morning, JD claims that Ayla is missing (the others don't remember much that happened during the night, so take his word for it). They needed to "clean house" before JD notified LE.

Sure, the women would be stunned to hear that TR hadn't seen Ayla since Dec. 8/9 because they believed Ayla had stayed with her during the week. Who would they believe? And, while they had to admit to LE they stayed at the house that night, they 1) needed to cover up their own illegal activity and 2) they honestly can't remember much about that night. Just MOO.

 

[katydid23]

I'm thinking that they might. Not for JD's sake so much as for their own, if there were illegal substances in the house. Maybe that's why Ayla's disappearance wasn't reported to LE until 9:00 a.m. on Saturday. At that point, the women wouldn't have known that Ayla was dead, but JD told them that TR was bringing her to the house Friday night. In the morning, JD claims that Ayla is missing (the others don't remember much that happened during the night, so take his word for it). They needed to "clean house" before JD notified LE.

Sure, the women would be stunned to hear that TR hadn't seen Ayla since Dec. 8/9 because they believed Ayla had stayed with her during the week. Who would they believe? And, while they had to admit to LE they stayed at the house that night, they 1) needed to cover up their own illegal activity and 2) they honestly can't remember much about that night. Just MOO.

I don't think there has been any evidence or even hint or rumor that JD's sister has a drug or alcohol problem. I do not see any reason why she would not remember what went on that evening. imo

 

[hambirg]

Idk. . this whole thing just doesn't add up to me. First we were led to believe that PD was there. . .then not. It was 3 adults and 2 children. . .now it's 3 adults and 3 children. If. . BIG if. . .Ayla was really taken out of that house, that's a lot of people in a small house to not notice. I still don't believe that JD was the one to discover Ayla gone. The question is why all the secrecy if she really was abducted?!

First the sister. . .she says her child was fussy at 10pm and she moved him/her in with her. So was Ayla still in her bed? It seems that would be a pretty simple question to answer. It seems that she should be able to verify that Ayla was still there. . if not they would have discovered and reported her missing then at 10pm, right? So which is it? She can either vouch for Ayla still being there at 10pm. . .or she can't and that would have been when Ayla was discovered gone. . .or 10pm being the last time she was seen. . .not 8pm. Hmmmm. . . :waitasec:

What about the gf? Did she even see Ayla at all that night?

What about JD? Is he lying that he put Ayla to bed at 8pm and that's why the sister can't vouch for her being there at 10pm?

PD. . .so where was she? Was she there at all that night? If so, when did she come and go?

There are just so many questions, that I don't see how one can't be suspicious. None of it adds up to me.

MOO

 

[hambirg]

I don't think there has been any evidence or even hint or rumor that JD's sister has a drug or alcohol problem. I do not see any reason why she would not remember what went on that evening. imo

Then can she remember if she saw Ayla sleeping in her bed at 10pm? I can't imagine that those rooms are very big in that small house. Was Ayla there or not? It's a simple yes or no. If she was, then she was last seem at 10pm. If she wasn't then why did they wait to report her missing til 9am the next morning? It just doesn't make sense.

 

[katydid23]

Then can she remember if she saw Ayla sleeping in her bed at 10pm? I can't imagine that those rooms are very big in that small house. Was Ayla there or not? It's a simple yes or no. If she was, then she was last seem at 10pm. If she wasn't then why did they wait to report her missing til 9am the next morning? It just doesn't make sense.

IIRC, originally we were told that the child was seen at 10 pm that night. then it was 8 pm she was put to bed, , then 10 pm last seen in some reports. So I think the sister did tell LE that she saw Ayla at 10 pm. But I obviously do not know for sure.

But when the sister made the FB posts about her child being fiussy, and so she took her into her room, she did not come out and say she saw Ayla, but I thought she was trying to say that was why she removed her child, so she would not wake everyone else up. That was just my inference though.

 

[hambirg]

IIRC, originally we were told that the child was seen at 10 pm that night. then it was 8 pm she was put to bed, , then 10 pm last seen in some reports. So I think the sister did tell LE that she saw Ayla at 10 pm. But I obviously do not know for sure.

But when the sister made the FB posts about her child being fiussy, and so she took her into her room, she did not come out and say she saw Ayla, but I thought she was trying to say that was why she removed her child, so she would not wake everyone else up. That was just my inference though.

That could very well be. I wonder why we have that "last seen at 8pm" though.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

snipped from : http://bangordailynews.com/2012/01/...waterville-vigil-in-honor-of-missing-toddler/

Among the approximately 35 people who held vigil was Justin DiPietro, Ayla’s father, who reported her missing Dec. 17 from his home on Violette Avenue. He sat in the front row with friends and family members, focused on the candle in his hands while friends and strangers prayed for Ayla’s safe return. When the ceremony ended, he was among the last to leave, walking through a gathering of reporters without a word.


RBBM: Justin's silence, "without a word" to reporters, is "deafening" ...

MOO ...

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

But...the sister and her child LIVE there.

Yes....they live there....but maybe they had been away for awhile? We don't have any idea what social life they have, what other family members they keep in contact with. I don't even know if sister works. If PD likes to get away, maybe sister does, too! Does she have a bf?

 

[dog.gone.cute]

I don't think there has been any evidence or even hint or rumor that JD's sister has a drug or alcohol problem. I do not see any reason why she would not remember what went on that evening. imo

BBM: JMO ... but "sometimes" people have "Selective Memory" as to what they "remember" ... "I :dunno:" "I:dunno:" ...

"Sometimes" people say "I don't remember" or "I don't recall" because they ARE protecting and covering for their family member -- in their mind, it is better to say "nada" instead OF saying "something" ...

JD's sister may be conveniently NOT remembering what went on that night ... and as the ole saying goes : "blood is thicker than water" ...

MOO ...

 

[Donjeta]

bbm = Somehow, I don't think a 24 year old guy follows any missing children cases to that extent.

I can't imagine that at least 3 adult parents would agree to help him cover a death, accidental or otherwise.

My question is...regarding the morning of JD's last class, the morning that PD called him back about Aylas arm...if PD works, who watches Ayla ~ who watched her that day???

A 24 year old guy might easily have learned that cell phones can be tracked by watching a couple of episodes of CSI.