ME ME - Ayla Reynolds, 20 mnths, Waterville, 17 December 2011 - # 6

[CincinnatiKate]

I apologize in advance for not being able to read the research, reading and writing you all have done in this case. We all have multiple responsibilities to attend to. I just have a question regarding the dream I had:

Do you think a drug dealer took the baby in payment for a debt, to sell her?

No, I do not think a drug dealer took her. You get more time in prison for babies than pills. Babies are harder to sell than drugs.

that said

I do believe it is a possibility that the child was GIVEN to a drug dealer for 1000 pills. I personally am unsure of what kind of pills are associated with Justin, but I do know that an 80mg oxycontin pill, will sell for $80 on the street. So if someone had 1000 80's. I believe the street value would be approx $80,000.

There are previous cases of drug dealers accepting babies as payment. I think the difference is that the receiver of the baby is usually uninformed and the child is returned alive...in a few cases the baby was returned in better condition than when it was sold. I guess it could be plausible (in a lifetime movie kinda way) that a crooked doctor, wrote prescriptions to get his wife a baby---
I believe its more plausible that Justin got mad smacked her in the head and she died. Until I hear someone say they saw Ayla at a particular time alive and well, I am going to believe Ayla was missing or dead for much longer than we are being led to believe.

 

[cluciano63]

WHY won't anyone say they saw Ayla alive and well at such and such time? The "conspiracy of silence" coming from sister and girlfriend is very troubling to me. Why should anything be a secret about that night, since LE has said they are free to talk, unless there is guilt from within that house? If they truly want Ayla "found", why would anything be held back, and why would Dad clam up when faced with reporters? Sure, it is his right, but it makes no sense to me, not if they truly are at a loss and want all the help they can get.
Even the "Find Ayla" FB page with 13K+ members has fallen silent.

 

[HiHater]

I think it's very normal for the state prosecutors to show up. NOT saying that Ayla has left this earth, but the city of Waterville has not had a murder in 10 years. They probably don't want to get this wrong, so it would only help to involve the state prosecutors from the very beginning...

 

[Breazy]

Please God, let someone step up and speak!! SOMEONE has to know SOMETHING. Please bring this baby home!!!

 

[HiHater]

I apologize in advance for not being able to read the research, reading and writing you all have done in this case. We all have multiple responsibilities to attend to. I just have a question regarding the dream I had:

Do you think a drug dealer took the baby in payment for a debt, to sell her?

I don't think this scenario plays out as much as people suggest. Unless the drug dealer doubles as pedophile, what is he/she gonna do with the baby? I've never been into drugs---selling or using---but if given the choice I would want drugs or money vs. a random baby.

 

[HiHater]

No, I do not think a drug dealer took her. You get more time in prison for babies than pills. Babies are harder to sell than drugs.

that said

I do believe it is a possibility that the child was GIVEN to a drug dealer for 1000 pills. I personally am unsure of what kind of pills are associated with Justin, but I do know that an 80mg oxycontin pill, will sell for $80 on the street. So if someone had 1000 80's. I believe the street value would be approx $80,000.

There are previous cases of drug dealers accepting babies as payment. I think the difference is that the receiver of the baby is usually uninformed and the child is returned alive...in a few cases the baby was returned in better condition than when it was sold. I guess it could be plausible (in a lifetime movie kinda way) that a crooked doctor, wrote prescriptions to get his wife a baby---
I believe its more plausible that Justin got mad smacked her in the head and she died. Until I hear someone say they saw Ayla at a particular time alive and well, I am going to believe Ayla was missing or dead for much longer than we are being led to believe.

I'm sorry, I don't think anyone in this world would accept Ayla in lieu of $80,000. (besides her family)

 

[HiHater]

I personally am thankful for the post above by *kiln wood. I do not agree with the idea that LE can lie, cheat, steal, burn or beat info out of a parent of a missing child. I also have remained silent in other threads about LE being able to search with no search warrant because the victim is a child. We have to protect the rights of the innocent-- I want these children to be found, or saved, really I do. But I will not forgo my rights.

The question (other thread) was posed--- If LE knocks on your door asking to search my property for a missing child, wouldn't you allow them full access with out a warrant if you were not involved?

--I was the only one who said no. I would perform my OWN search and report it to LE. I know I am in the minority here.

I know this is kinda off topic, but I just wanna say this.

You're not alone, you are in the minority---but I'm right there with you. I'm 4 months, 1 class, away from my Masters in criminal justice, so I'm not exactly anti-LE. BUT I am one who believes that the criminal justice system as a whole is just as broken as many other systems in America. I'm of the opinion that the beginning of the fracture starts in policing, and it continues up to prosecutors and other officials. JMO

I will not let LE search anything of mine, under any circumstance without a warrant. I wouldn't answer questions without a lawyer. Not because I'm guilty, but because the Constitution provides me with those rights. I'm always confused at the talk of "lawyering up." That's not a hallmark of a guilty person, that to me says regardless of guilt, that person is informed and is protecting their interests. Whether those interests are right or wrong is to be determined at a trial, and not by public opinion.

I'll get off the soapbox now...

 

[CincinnatiKate]

I thank you whole-hardheartedly for conveying my thoughts is a much more educated fashion. I learned from an experience very young that those rights were given to us to protect the innocent, and very often the innocent give up those rights, thinking the truth will set you free, when in reality, and often, the truth is very circumstantial. We as the public do not have enough information, let alone evidence to solve this case...if the people don't get the media to put pressure on the investigation-- or if the people dont show up at the police station asking questions...it will go unsolved.

I know this is kinda off topic, but I just wanna say this.

You're not alone, you are in the minority---but I'm right there with you. I'm 4 months, 1 class, away from my Masters in criminal justice, so I'm not exactly anti-LE. BUT I am one who believes that the criminal justice system as a whole is just as broken as many other systems in America. I'm of the opinion that the beginning of the fracture starts in policing, and it continues up to prosecutors and other officials. JMO

I will not let LE search anything of mine, under any circumstance without a warrant. I wouldn't answer questions without a lawyer. Not because I'm guilty, but because the Constitution provides me with those rights. I'm always confused at the talk of "lawyering up." That's not a hallmark of a guilty person, that to me says regardless of guilt, that person is informed and is protecting their interests. Whether those interests are right or wrong is to be determined at a trial, and not by public opinion.

I'll get off the soapbox now...

 

[tamild]

I've no idea about the timing of the visits but could Trista have seen Phoebe's house when she was involved with Justin at the time she got pregnant with Ayla?

When did she get out of rehab?

Thanks Donjeta! That's a definite possibility. However, Trista has said that she barely knows Justin, and I *think* that he was living in Portland then, but I have no verification for that. They didn't seem to have a relationship to the extent that he would take her home to meet mom, kwim? For all I know, Trista could've knocked on Phoebe's door with Ayla in her arms sometime after Ayla was born.

I don't think we have an exact date for the end of rehab, but the timeline claims that Ayla was to be brought to the hospital for a visit on October 21 and released into Trista's care at Jessica's apartment on October 22.

 

[tamild]

I apologize in advance for not being able to read the research, reading and writing you all have done in this case. We all have multiple responsibilities to attend to. I just have a question regarding the dream I had:

Do you think a drug dealer took the baby in payment for a debt, to sell her?

I really doubt it. I would be more apt to believe something like this if Ayla were an infant. However, I wouldn't at all discount the possibility that drugs played a role of some kind in this case.

 

[CincinnatiKate]

I'm sorry, I don't think anyone in this world would accept Ayla in lieu of $80,000. (besides her family)

I complete disagree. Especially if its prescription pill trade we are alluding to.

 

[Lera213]

Stopped in to see if there were any updates. *leaves through the backdoor backwards*

 

[ThoughtFox]

Stopped in to see if there were any updates. *leaves through the backdoor backwards*

Backs out with you and runs away. :blowkiss:

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Stopped in to see if there were any updates. *leaves through the backdoor backwards*

Unfortunately there are no developments or updates on little Ayla.


But there is a development in the Jaymie Adams case -- her husband was arrested this morning :

http://www.news9.com/story/16616634/police-arrest-husband-of-murdered-blanchard-mom

Websleuths Thread for Jaymie :

Found Deceased OK - Jaymie Adams, 25, Blanchard, 09 Dec 2011 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


Sorry to be off topic ...

 

[tamild]

Repectfully snipped

No, I do not think a drug dealer took her. Until I hear someone say they saw Ayla at a particular time alive and well, I am going to believe Ayla was missing or dead for much longer than we are being led to believe.

The only problem I have with that scenario is that it would require the cooperation of at least 4 people. I can't even get the 4 people in my house to agree on what's for dinner, let alone something like this. Also, if it happened like this, why wait for a night when the girlfriend was in the house to report Ayla missing? Wouldn't the "normal night" scenario sound better if there were only family members present? It doesn't really make sense to me, but then again, not much about this case does.

JMO

 

[CincinnatiKate]

...........i think those ppl in the house are there because justin was trying to make the night appear normal. I have a sneaking feeling no one in the house had seen Ayla awake.

OR


What if the girlfriend and her sister executed a kidnapping of a perfectly healthy and gorgeous pristine white child....to be hand delivered to a patiently waiting pharmaceutical rep... just my theory on the baby kidnapped hypothesis...

 

[lauriej]

http://www.aylareynolds.com/

01/27/2012 press release.

P/P

--becca took a LDT, they knew at the start she may not be able to complete it due to prescrip meds, and wasn't able to. offered to go off med and try again, was told it was not neccessary.

--ronnieR, ayla's uncle-- took his LDT yesterday, and passed.

--trista has been advised to do as many interviews as possible to keep ayla in the news

--she has not rec'd compensation for any of them.

 

[C-Squared]

Article from our local paper:

http://www.pressherald.com/news/Two-members-of-Ayla-Reynolds-maternal-family-take-polygraph.html

 

[my_tee_mouse]

http://www.aylareynolds.com/

01/27/2012 press release.

P/P

--becca took a LDT, they knew at the start she may not be able to complete it due to prescrip meds, and wasn't able to. offered to go off med and try again, was told it was not neccessary.

--ronnieR, ayla's uncle-- took his LDT yesterday, and passed.

--trista has been advised to do as many interviews as possible to keep ayla in the news

--she has not rec'd compensation for any of them.

I see the "press release" on ayla's page, but I don't see a MSM link to this release? Where did this information come from? Am I just missing the MSM link (entirely possible...the music was so loud on the page that it made my eyes cross).

As to the "sold for drugs" or whatever...is there any MSM documentation that this is a remote possibility, or is all the drug discussion based on someone's dream?

 

[tamild]

...........i think those ppl in the house are there because justin was trying to make the night appear normal. I have a sneaking feeling no one in the house had seen Ayla awake.

I agree that if the girlfriend were involved in this, she'd have to be an active participant or an unwitting alibi. She's far too much of an x-factor to be involved in a cover-up unless she was complicit in the actual crime.

JMO