ME ME - Ayla Reynolds, 20 mnths, Waterville, 17 December 2011 - # 7

[ynotdivein]

I've read that the stories of the three adults don't "pass the straight face test":

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=161266&=9

' The notion that someone slipped into the small house and took Ayla without awakening anyone "doesn't pass the straight-face test," McCausland said.

"We've followed every conceivable piece of evidence that would follow their version of events, and we have found not one piece of evidence that supports an abduction," he told The Associated Press. '

...and that their story doesn't pass the smell test:

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/r/30334378/detail.html

' "Abduction is no longer a part of this investigation. We have grave doubts that an abduction took place and there is no evidence to support it," Stephen McCausland, spokesman for Maine Department of Public Safety, told Newscenter 5.

"We are focused on what happened to her in that house. There are three people in the house that have not been truthful. Their story does not pass the smell test," he said. '

Straight-face test, smell test... think she's dead, think she's not... this is all pointing in one direction and that is to 29 Violette Ave.

I respect Steve McCausland very much. But you don't drain a stream or send divers into a winter river in Maine because you think a missing 21 month old is very much alive and well...

 

[Sparklin]

Not sure how they can STRONGLY DENY it. It is certainly a possibility.

No one wants that to be the conclusion. But, if Law Enforcement can confirm she is alive, we have to wonder... what else are they keeping close to the vest?

I think they are strongly denying the report that said they 'said she was'...kwim?

 

[deoneta]

http://www.wgme.com/news/top-stories/stories/wgme_vid_10713.shtml

Most is what we've already read today, but I've never seen this in any other reports:

Investigators also said tonight, they believe in addition to the three people in the home the night Ayla disappeared there may be others that know more as well, but would not elaborate.

 

[cluciano63]

http://www.wgme.com/news/top-stories/stories/wgme_vid_10713.shtml

Most is what we've already read today, but I've never seen this in any other reports:

Investigators also said tonight, they believe in addition to the three people in the home the night Ayla disappeared there may be others that know more as well, but would not elaborate.

JD's mommy...JMO

 

[katydid23]

http://www.wgme.com/news/top-stories/stories/wgme_vid_10713.shtml

Most is what we've already read today, but I've never seen this in any other reports:

Investigators also said tonight, they believe in addition to the three people in the home the night Ayla disappeared there may be others that know more as well, but would not elaborate.

So this is very much like the scenario where poor Haileigh Cummings went 'missing.' Lots of different stories and different people rumored to be in and out, but then they told everyone it was a 'normal' night and Grandma visited while the kids ate dinner. Bla bla bla...a bunch of BS/

 

[SubtleGrace]

JD's mommy...JMO

Also in that article it states "in ayla's room where she doesn't normally stay in"

What the heck does that mean????

According to Angela Harry, it was not unusual for ED's daughter to sleep with her.

So why are they saying this now????

Something is really wrong here.

 

[Detective Klimpt]

JD's mommy...JMO

And/Or Lance

 

[katydid23]

And/Or Lance

And /or the sister's boyfriend. Does she have one? Is the child's father around?

 

[gitana1]

It is still hard for me to understand why these three adults in the home would still lie and cover up the truth. If it was an accident, wouldn't one of them come forward now? It is surely better to be charged with an accidental negligent manslaughter than an outright murder. One of them can make a deal I am sure. Admit to the cover up, and tell what happened. She fell down the stairs, or OD'd on Oxy, or JD paddled her too hard for messing her bedcovers.

Surely they realize that the danger they are all in if they keep lying and covering for each other. The girls are going to lose parental custody soon, if not, imo.

Sadly, maybe because they all had a hand in it to some degree. Look at Kyle Ramirez's case here in California. Four adults participated in his abuse and torture. One was his guardian, two were roommates and one was a neighbor!

Or maybe because they are operating under some juvenile "snitches get stitches" mentality. I don't know. But I think they all know what the heck happened.

 

[lauriej]

Speaking of clean up...adding to my earlier speculation, PD mentioning her cutting her foot on the glass, now sounds to me like a guilty admission of cleaning up blood in the basement...but it wasn't hers.

JAT

--apologies for not keeping up!

--can someone please tell me when PD said she cut her foot on glass?

--thank you!

 

[SubtleGrace]

McCausland definitely said on NG that the blood was Ayla's.

 

[longtallcold]

This one is just making me bawl...so im sorry if im reposting...

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/r/30334378/detail.html#ixzz1kzFQYI33

The toddler’s blood was found splattered in the basement of 29 Violette Ave. in the Waterville home where Ayla was staying with her father

Several law enforcement sources said the blood appeared to have been "cleaned up" and that DiPietro left a police station when confronted with luminol-enhanced photos of his daughter’s blood splatters taken by crime scene investigators a week after he reported her missing.

"We are focused on what happened to her in that house. There are three people in the house that have not been truthful. Their story does not pass the smell test," he said.

Law enforcement sources told McPhee that those people are Justin DiPietro, his girlfriend, Courtney Roberts, 24, and his sister, Alisha DiPietro, 19.

McCausland confirmed that the people in the house on the night Ayla was last seen took lie-detector tests, "and they know the results."

I am growing so weary of this - and feel helpless to PREVENT it from happening again. I think most of us agree what happened to Ayla, and Bianca, and Jhessye, and Sky, and Baby Lisa, and Aliayah.....and i'm now sick to my stomach that I could rattle off that many names of babies that are still missing! I feel like the evil people are winning and I, for one, and sick and tired of it! MOO of course

 

[JeannaT]

My apologies, also, for not keeping up with ALL the initials in this thread. Sorry I really can't tell who is who.

I don't know what all is going on with this case, but there is a LOT of blood all around my house from raising kids. Serious nosebleeds, head gashes, etc., they're alive and thriving.

I'm irritated that the threshold appears to be "blood from a small cut".

How much blood, exactly, was found in this investigation?

I'm still praying that this child will be found alive.

 

[hambirg]

Speaking to the other blood that might be in the basement. . .does anybody else think that JD's face looked weird in those first pics of him in the driveway? I've been trying to compare them to the pics of him at the recent vigil. . .but idk. BUT I do remember when I first saw him I thought, "what the heck happened to his face?" He looked like he had been in a car accident.

Then. . .
(he almost looks like he has a fat lip here)
http://media.pressherald.com/images/portland-press-herald_3604172.jpg

Later. . .
http://media.kjonline.com/images/300*335/kj+justin+dipietro.jpg

Now. . .

Well dang, my computer won't let me do a screen shot. . .but take a look at any of the last vigil footage.
http://www.wcsh6.com/video/14202860...lds-and-Justin-DiPietro-attend-vigil-for-Ayla

 

[hambirg]

My apologies, also, for not keeping up with ALL the initials in this thread. Sorry I really can't tell who is who.

I don't know what all is going on with this case, but there is a LOT of blood all around my house from raising kids. Serious nosebleeds, head gashes, etc., they're alive and thriving.

I'm irritated that the threshold appears to be "blood from a small cut".

How much blood, exactly, was found in this investigation?

I'm still praying that this child will be found alive.

The difference is that your kids are, like you said, alive and thriving. . .you didn't concoct some story that they were taken in the night by an intruder, one that LE has publicly declared to be no evidence of.

 

[MagnoliaMom]

Several people have mentioned the possibility of death by falling down the stairs so I went in search of stats on that. Not saying it couldn't happen but the conclusion of this research is that it is unlikely.

http://adc.bmj.com/content/86/suppl_1/A53.full.pdf

Info on fatal abuse:
http://www.childdeathreview.org/causesCAN.htm

Major Risk Factors

* Younger children, especially under the age of five.
* Parents or caregivers who are under the age of 30.
* Low income, single-parent families experiencing major stresses.
* Children left with male caregivers who lack emotional attachment to the child.
* Children with emotional and health problems.
* Lack of suitable childcare.
* Substance abuse among caregivers.
* Parents and caregivers with unrealistic expectations of child development and behavior.

Somebody knows something.

 

[SubtleGrace]

Several people have mentioned the possibility of death by falling down the stairs so I went in search of stats on that. Not saying it couldn't happen but the conclusion of this research is that it is unlikely.

http://adc.bmj.com/content/86/suppl_1/A53.full.pdf

Info on fatal abuse:
http://www.childdeathreview.org/causesCAN.htm



Somebody knows something.

Well I guess they cant claim she did it to herself. Falling down the stairs that is.

 

[SuziQ]

This comes up a lot in various threads. Searching a landfill is almost impossible. In the case of Lori Hacking, LE knew when her body had been placed in the trash and in what receptacle. So, they were able to trace back to the most likely grid her body would have ended up in.

Despite this, they searched for weeks and weeks:
http://crime.about.com/od/current/a/hacking_2.htm

Finally:http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,134233,00.html

In the case of Jennifer and Abby Blagg, LE had difficulty searching for the mother and little girl, despite also knowing when they were disposed of and into which trash receptacle:http://25missingpersons.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=abbyjo&action=print&thread=1419 (Emphasis by me).

Police explain the difficulty in locating little Abby:http://www.accessnorthga.com/detail.php?n=193741&c=2

They never found Abby. She remains in the trash dump her father sent her to.

So in the cases of Ayla, Jhessye, Sky, etc., it is virtually impossible to know where, in the acres and acres of mountains of trash, to begin to look. And even when they know where in that mountain, a small child may never be found.



I agree. Reminds me of other cases where one child is abused while adults either participate or ignore it. I have thought from the beginning that Ayla was likely abused to death.



It actually works almost all the time. We sleuth the hard cases. The cases where there is a confession very quickly do not get as much attention unless they are somehow unique.

Sadly, though, I think some perps are starting to catch on and the old techniques, while still good ones that usually work, are slowly starting to lose effectiveness in more such cases, like Kyron's, Jhessye's, Caylee's, Sky's, Ayla's, Aliayah's, Haleigh's, Hailey's, Hassani's, Baby Lisa's, Bianca's, Baby Kate's, etc, etc.



This does not surprise me. It struck me as an abuse-leading-to-death case, early on. I wish it was not so. This baby looked so much like the father. Who the heck enjoys using a helpless baby as a punching bag? Are they punishing that which they don't like about their own self when they abuse their own child or allow their child to be abused? Isn't the innate goal of humans to protect and care for little children who cannot care for themselves, who are fragile little lives needing constant care and deep love? It baffles me, enrages me and makes me feel hopeless when I hear of such cases.

I hope you don't mind me adding to the discussion. They only found 15 pounds of Lori Hacking and she was a full grown woman that was missing for a few months. Children and especially babies are so small I can't imagine trying to locate them in a landfill. IIRC, from other cases the average landfill receives 5000 to 10000 Tons of garbage a day. There is also the issue of budgeting and getting OSHA and Hazmat permits for a landfill search. Searching a landfill is very dangerous. The poor volunteers who searched for Lori went through hell. Many ended up sick and injured. Landfill searches are also hell on the dogs and many handlers will not take them to a landfill. Too much money and time go into training search animals. Landfill searches are considered a last resort move for good reason.

 

[cluciano63]

My apologies, also, for not keeping up with ALL the initials in this thread. Sorry I really can't tell who is who.

I don't know what all is going on with this case, but there is a LOT of blood all around my house from raising kids. Serious nosebleeds, head gashes, etc., they're alive and thriving.

I'm irritated that the threshold appears to be "blood from a small cut".

How much blood, exactly, was found in this investigation?

I'm still praying that this child will be found alive.

The only children in this household are babies, who shouldn't be unsupervised long enough to be bleeding all over the place, IMO...and Ayla had only been there a short time-how much blood should she have spilled there? None would be good...

I believe the "small cut" amount came from LE saying it was NOT from a small cut...perhaps in response to a family member claiming a small cut, etc...but if anything other than a "small cut" had taken place in the home, why not tell LE? Why walk out when shown the luminol photos? In fact, if anything resulting in a good amount of blood had taken place there at all, with regards to Ayla, in the past, where is the matching ER report?

 

[deoneta]

Several people have mentioned the possibility of death by falling down the stairs so I went in search of stats on that. Not saying it couldn't happen but the conclusion of this research is that it is unlikely.

http://adc.bmj.com/content/86/suppl_1/A53.full.pdf

Info on fatal abuse:
http://www.childdeathreview.org/causesCAN.htm



Somebody knows something.

I've thought all along that this was a case of abuse, not an accident -- an inexperienced, quick tempered father who didn't understand that toddlers don't "listen", possibly with substance abuse involved. I also think LE believes Ayla to be deceased, and that there is evidence of a clean up. I believe they are letting out just enough to put pressure on those involved, but I don't believe they will reveal all they know until the grand jury convenes. I do think somebody will eventually talk. The problem is that even if that happens, they will mostly likely still be lying, and the real story might never be told. I can only hope that the prosecutors don't have to settle for some total bs so called confession like that evil Baker (or whatever her real last name is) woman who murdered Zahra got away with telling. Sorry to sound so hostile, but I don't believe a word the DiPietros have said, and I don't have much faith they will suddenly start telling the truth. All MOO.