ME ME - Ayla Reynolds, 20 mnths, Waterville, 17 December 2011 - # 7

[cluciano63]

I've thought all along that this was a case of abuse, not an accident -- an inexperienced, quick tempered father who didn't understand that toddlers don't "listen", possibly with substance abuse involved. I also think LE believes Ayla to be deceased, and that there is evidence of a clean up. I believe they are letting out just enough to put pressure on those involved, but I don't believe they will reveal all they know until the grand jury convenes. I do think somebody will eventually talk. The problem is that even if that happens, they will mostly likely still be lying, and the real story might never be told. I can only hope that the prosecutors don't have to settle for some total bs so called confession like that evil Baker (or whatever her real last name is) woman who murdered Zahra got away with telling. Sorry to sound so hostile, but I don't believe a word the DiPrietos have said, and I don't have much faith they will suddenly start telling the truth. All MOO.

I feel the same, and I also feel that everyone, including the girlfriend, have lied to police so far and that LE was saying in a not-so- roundabout way that they know this. I don't know if I would believe any version now, even if it includes where Ayla can be found, as it is all too possible that cause of death will not be able to be determined by now. But I still hope (but doubt) that one of them will find the scruples to tell LE the truth.

 

[Caligram]

I think all of JD's immediate family members and CR knew that Ayla was not there on the night of December 16th. I believe that all the tossed in fruit salad pits of meaningless data, like the gate, were inserted as afterthoughts. to clean up JD's image. Since LE stated that the three adults who were there the night of Dec. 16th were no telling the truth about Ayla's disappearance, what is the truth?
Truth???
Did CR really spend the night entire there? Will she stake her future on protecting JD now that his story is tainted by the revelation of Ayla's blood in the cellar? Is CR still afraid to admit what she knows and was untruthful about on the LDT? Is CR afraid of losing custody of her son if she is proven to be aiding in a cover-up of a wrongful death?

I am assuming that ED had to spend the night there because there was nowhere else to go with her young son. So even though ED may not have had anything to do with Ayla's disappearance, by backing JD up on the fake abduction of Ayla will she be charged as an accomplice? Did she display any love and affection to Ayla? Is she worried that she may be charged in Ayla’s disappearance, and then what would happen to her son.

Did PD "'chicken out" at the last minute, and refuse to be one of the witnesses of a fake abduction? Is that why she was just happened to be away that night? Did DP cover for JD to make him blameless in Ayla's previous injuries? Did PD risk her reputation, her all, just to help JD cover up “his lo$$e$” ?

Has JD made any verifiable explanation of why he did not take Ayla do the specialist on 12/16th? Was JD at that home the entire night and up until the Saturday morning 911 call was made? Was the 911 call on Dec. 17th pre-planned by all of them to explain Ayla's "absence"? Was the “child $upport” order causing him to resent Ayla and wish that she did not exist?

Is any non-family member other than CR willing to take the stand and testify to having seen Ayla during any period after her arm was in a sling? Can they then prove it? What did JD do all those long hours of the day during the time he was supposed to be bonding with his beautiful child?

My gut-wrenching unanswered questions are not favorable to those who inhabited the DP house. I l really want to know what happened to this sweet-faced innocent little once-happy child? Why has nobody stood up for her since she was taken from the arms of those that really loved her? How can anyone from that house sleep at night without being haunted by Ayla's face, by her pictures posted everywhere? Did anybody take pity on Ayla after she was brought to an unfamiliar house inhabited by strangers? Did anybody hold and comfort her when she sobbed for her mommy? Or did everyone ignore that poor bewildered child in her terrifying and sometimes physically painful and days and nights? Why didn’t someone there have a heart and see that Ayla was allowed to at least speak to mommy on the phone, and see her mommy for some reassurance that she was not just abandoned? Weren’t some of the people in that house also mommies? Well, then, could it be that Ayla was simply tolerated, and treated as an annoying intrusion into their own lives? Not offered any compassion because she was an “outsider”?
Where is Ayla?

This is all IMHO.

 

[maedlamsmom]

Speaking to the other blood that might be in the basement. . .does anybody else think that JD's face looked weird in those first pics of him in the driveway? I've been trying to compare them to the pics of him at the recent vigil. . .but idk. BUT I do remember when I first saw him I thought, "what the heck happened to his face?" He looked like he had been in a car accident.

Then. . .
(he almost looks like he has a fat lip here)
http://media.pressherald.com/images/portland-press-herald_3604172.jpg

Later. . .
http://media.kjonline.com/images/300*335/kj+justin+dipietro.jpg

Now. . .

Well dang, my computer won't let me do a screen shot. . .but take a look at any of the last vigil footage.
http://www.wcsh6.com/video/14202860...lds-and-Justin-DiPietro-attend-vigil-for-Ayla

You know, I think you are right. I can definately see some dried blood on his lip and also some bruising across the bridge of his nose, as if he had recently had it broken. Was he recently in a fight? Is this why he waited those first two weeks to make a public appearance? Was it waiting for his face to heal rather than emotional turmoil like he claimed?

 

[scandi]

BBM
Just thinking out loud if someone else was being hit, do we have early pix of any one close to the case that had any new or healed up injuries?
I'm wondering if Ayla has been missing LONGER than reported?
We can only take the 911 call as time she was said to be missing,

Xlnt point Passionflower, On NG it was stated the blood that needed Luminol to be seen belonged to both Ayla and another person. It also could be that luminized blood was from before and someone tried to wash it up. Since the basement was the BF's territory I wonder if he has any scrapes.

I actually think LE said allot about the blood while trying not to, just sayin'. Gosh, even to saying something {on NG} like it was to much blood to come from a simple cut !

 

[cluciano63]

I couldn't quite catch what was said about the blood also beloinging to another person, on NG...does anyone have the transcript of that? I thought Marc Klaas started to say it, but then he corrected himself and said that the blood was found two ways, by sight and by luminol. So I am confused...anyone??

 

[deoneta]

I couldn't quite catch what was said about the blood also beloinging to another person, on NG...does anyone have the transcript of that? I thought Marc Klaas started to say it, but then he corrected himself and said that the blood was found two ways, by sight and by luminol. So I am confused...anyone??

NG's transcripts aren't up yet. The way I understand it, McClausland said that only some of the blood has been tested, and later verified that is was Ayla's. The untested blood (or at least, not yet verfied) may also be Ayla's. Or it could conceiveably be someone else's blood, but it's still not known (or disclosed) at the time. All MOO

 

[SubtleGrace]

I couldn't quite catch what was said about the blood also beloinging to another person, on NG...does anyone have the transcript of that? I thought Marc Klaas started to say it, but then he corrected himself and said that the blood was found two ways, by sight and by luminol. So I am confused...anyone??

No transcript yet but when I watched it I heard both MK and McCausland say that the blood was ayla's. No mention of a second source.

 

[scandi]

I feel the same, and I also feel that everyone, including the girlfriend, have lied to police so far and that LE was saying in a not-so- roundabout way that they know this. I don't know if I would believe any version now, even if it includes where Ayla can be found, as it is all too possible that cause of death will not be able to be determined by now. But I still hope (but doubt) that one of them will find the scruples to tell LE the truth.

Me too Clu, I hope they have the scruples.

The GF leaves me very cold and lacking in sincerity. Just a feeling.


In cases like this I often feel there is another reason besides the death of the child to try and hide the body so it will never be found. That reason is they would never want an ME to discover tell tale signs of physical abuse. I hope that is not true here.

 

[scandi]

I hope you don't mind me adding to the discussion. They only found 15 pounds of Lori Hacking and she was a full grown woman that was missing for a few months. Children and especially babies are so small I can't imagine trying to locate them in a landfill. IIRC, from other cases the average landfill receives 5000 to 10000 Tons of garbage a day. There is also the issue of budgeting and getting OSHA and Hazmat permits for a landfill search. Searching a landfill is very dangerous. The poor volunteers who searched for Lori went through hell. Many ended up sick and injured. Landfill searches are also hell on the dogs and many handlers will not take them to a landfill. Too much money and time go into training search animals. Landfill searches are considered a last resort move for good reason.

Hi SuzieQ, thanks for bringing Lori Hacking to mind. Her death was so terribly tragic. Audacious. Thrown away like so much garbage.

 

[ThoughtFox]

This one is just making me bawl...so im sorry if im reposting...

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/r/30334378/detail.html#ixzz1kzFQYI33



I am growing so weary of this - and feel helpless to PREVENT it from happening again. I think most of us agree what happened to Ayla, and Bianca, and Jhessye, and Sky, and Baby Lisa, and Aliayah.....and i'm now sick to my stomach that I could rattle off that many names of babies that are still missing! I feel like the evil people are winning and I, for one, and sick and tired of it! MOO of course

:blowkiss:

It's just that the more people there are in the world, the more evil people there are in the world. It goes up exponentially. The evil are always with us, and unfortunately there's always some new shocker around the corner.

 

[ThoughtFox]

My apologies, also, for not keeping up with ALL the initials in this thread. Sorry I really can't tell who is who.

I don't know what all is going on with this case, but there is a LOT of blood all around my house from raising kids. Serious nosebleeds, head gashes, etc., they're alive and thriving.

I'm irritated that the threshold appears to be "blood from a small cut".

How much blood, exactly, was found in this investigation?

I'm still praying that this child will be found alive.

It's the fact that the blood is "spattered." It's like blood spraying out, and not something you normally see with such a small baby.

The point is that LE knows it is her blood, and for a child that age and size to lose enough blood for it to spatter, and also to have some left at the location even after possible clean-up, then it points to foul play.

:cow: Personally, my kids never bled that much, and I even have two boys, one of whom played football and liked to rough-house. Occasionally they'd get a little cut on a finger or a skinned knee from playing outside, but nothing that would spatter. Most nosebleeds that happen from dry air might get on a pillowcase/towel/clothes, but not on the floor or furniture.

If a baby Ayla's size had nosebleed bad enough for it to spatter, she would need to go to the hospital, I would think.

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

No, they didn't give her any pills, imo. I think it is possible that she found them herself. And that is why everyone would cover it up because they are all
guilty in some way. The gf's siter was busted with 1000 oxycontin...that is a lot of pills

Just thinking through this scenario...would a baby ingest the pills? Wouldn't they be bitter? I mean - wouldn't the child just spit a bitter pill out as soon as she tasted it? Alternatively maybe she swallowed it immediately without really tasting it, but I know adults who have trouble taking pills without a glass of water. I dunno...just thinking thru it.:waitasec:

 

[askfornina]

JVM and Nancy Grace transcripts from last night:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1201/30/ng.01.html

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1201/30/ijvm.01.html

ETA: Bumping the link to the timeline:

ME ME - Ayla Reynolds timeline and media links *no discussion* - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

 

[CarolinaMoon]

I had a house in NJ with side door, landing. Straight down the stairs (no door) and a step up to the right to the kitchen.

There was a diagram ofthe house on NG last night. I didn't quite get the orientation, but it looked like the stairs were two short flights with a landing near the front door on the extreme left.

Wish I had DVR'd that.

 

[CuriousDi]

Hi SuzieQ, thanks for bringing Lori Hacking to mind. Her death was so terribly tragic. Audacious. Thrown away like so much garbage.

We have a case here in Phoenix right now, where police are preparing to search a landfill for a little one's body. Little Jhessye. It is a huge undertaking, and one that is likely not to be successful. Police have pretty solid info that she is in the landfill, have a good idea where in the landfill, have been making the plans to search the landfill and announced weeks ago that they would begin the search this coming week. It is a huge job and takes a tremendous amount of planning and time. She's been missing since October.

Diana

 

[Donjeta]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1201/30/ng.01.html

NG transcript
A lesson in logic and McCausland quotes:

STEPHEN MCCAUSLAND, MAINE STATE POLICE (via telephone): Thanks for having me on, Nancy. And I want to compliment you. I know last week, you devoted 40 minutes one night to this case. It means a lot to the people of Maine that it`s still in the headlines and still being discussed nationally. And I thank you for that.

I want to -- the blood -- Susan basically revealed what we`ve talked about. We`ve confirmed there was blood in the basement, and we`ve confirmed that some of those samples were Ayla`s. We haven`t discussed the quantity, nor am I going to tonight. But we find the discovery of the blood troubling.

...

MCCAUSLAND: We have seized hundreds of items of potential evidence from inside that home over a two-week period in December. And there is not one piece of evidence at this point that leads us to believe that an abduction took place.

That`s why we`re looking and asking these thee adults that were there that night, that we think that one of them has information that they haven`t told us and -- because the story of Ayla being abducted just does not pass the straight face test.

GRACE: You know, Maine -- the Maine population is known for being very matter-of-fact and straightforward in a good way. When you say, Stephen McCausland, their story does not pass the straight face test, what do you mean by that?

MCCAUSLAND: We think that they know more than they`re telling us because the -- because of what I just said. And Susan was in the house. It`s a small home. Someone came in that door, went into Ayla`s room, grabbed her and they vanished in the middle of the night with three adults inside that home and didn`t see or hear anything? It doesn`t make sense.

...

Oddities such as what, Stephen?

MCCAUSLAND: Again, what Phoebe told investigators is something we`re keeping to ourselves.

Stephen, is there any link to the fact that the mom went to court the day before to try to get full custody of the baby girl? Did the daddy know that?

MCCAUSLAND: Dad did not know that at all.

...

What do you mean not one piece of evidence? You mean no window was up, no marks on the door, what does that mean not one piece of evidence?

STEPHEN MCCAUSLAND, SPOKESMAN, MAINE STATE POLICE: It means simply that of the hundreds of pieces of potential evidence that we have seized from inside that home, we had found nothing yet to back up the story of an abduction. And we have grave doubts that that ever happened.

GRACE: Stephen, another question. Part of the blood that was Ayla`s that you found in daddy`s basement, and I`m referring to daddy`s basement, this is mother`s home. You said or it`s been stated was visible to the naked eye, but the other portion was not. It was found by Luminol. Was the blood close together, the blood that was visible and invisible?

MCCAUSLAND: Again, asking for more specifics, Nancy, that I can`t get into. But you are correct, some of the blood was visible. Some of it was detected by Luminol. And that is some of the evidence that we seized from that home along with hundreds of other pieces.

...

GRACE: And back to spokesman for the Maine State Police, Stephen McCausland.

Stephen, again, regarding the blood found in the basement, was there anything to suggest that there had been a cleanup? Was there a blood smear, for instance, with a wash rag? I`m suspicious about the Luminol blood.

MCCAUSLAND: Again, Nancy, I can confirm that there was blood in the basement and the blood was Ayla`s. But beyond that there is information, obviously, that we have gathered that we need to keep to ourselves as this investigation is still very much active and ongoing. And I just can`t answer that question.

...

GRACE: I`m not here to help or to answer any questions. Hey, somebody just gave me the T-shirt. That`s what it sounds like, to Stephen McCausland, spokesman, Maine State Police. If he wants to help, hint, don`t run out of the police station when they show you a crime scene photo. Answer questions. Reports are daddy no longer cooperating. Is that the true?

MCCAUSLAND: No, that is not the terminology I`ve used. Dad has talked to us when we`ve called him. He continues to do so.

...

Stephen, this is not anything peculiar to the investigation. Can you just tell me what all is in the basement? Is it just a bedroom?

MCCAUSLAND: It`s basically a partially finished basement. There`s some paneling, as I recall, some furniture. And again, the regular items that are usually in the basement.

GRACE: Does his bedroom take up the -- is it out in the main area of the basement or is it a separate room?

MCCAUSLAND: The basement is basically one giant room.

GRACE: So if there`s blood in the basement and his bedroom is in the basement and it`s one giant room, that means if A is B and B is C, as I recall from high school, then A is C. The blood is in his bedroom. That`s what that means.

I don't understand the coyness about whether or not the blood was cleaned up. If it was more than a small cut would produce, and it wasn't cleaned up, it would be visible to the naked eye, no Luminol required to perceive it, right?

 

[Thinker Belle]

Nancy Grace was on GMA this morning discussing the Ayla Reynolds case with legal analyst Dan Abrams. DA says that LE does not need to publicly name any persons of interests. The fact that they are coming out with the blood discovery, stating their grave doubt that Ayla was abducted, and adding that they do NOT believe she walked out of that house on her own, undoubtedly points the finger at one of those 3 adults in that house. They really do not need to say much else at this time.

Also, they are not releasing the 911 tape publicly at this time, likely because there is something of significant interest on that tape. LE is playing it smart by not releasing this info to the public IMO..

Still wishing and praying for Ayla's safe return.. although I have to say I am not feeling good about this, especially with the discovery of the blood and apparent clean up attempt. If she did fall victim to something sinister, I pray the person responsible is brought to justice quickly..

 

[Mimiof8]

Just thinking through this scenario...would a baby ingest the pills? Wouldn't they be bitter? I mean - wouldn't the child just spit a bitter pill out as soon as she tasted it? Alternatively maybe she swallowed it immediately without really tasting it, but I know adults who have trouble taking pills without a glass of water. I dunno...just thinking thru it.:waitasec:

I dont think we can sleuth JDs girlfriends sister but i wonder how or what led to the oxy bust....did someone in DPs family have anything to do with her arrest? Perhaps something happened to Alya in retalation....jmo....

 

[Donjeta]

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And the reports are that, when confronted with the blood evidence at the police station, Ayla`s father ran out of that station.

However, he has reportedly tried to drum up support for the search for Ayla by contacting the Laura Recovery Center. And we`re going to speak right now on the phone.

Dawn Davis of the Laura Recovery Center. I understand your organization, and perhaps you specifically, spoke to Justin and had been in contact with him until this blood evidence bombshell which we have to call it, that`s what it is. What was your conversation with Justin like?

DAWN DAVIS, LAURA RECOVERY CENTER (VIA PHONE): Well, Justin contacted us at the beginning of the January in hopes that we could help him raise awareness of Ayla`s disappearance, in hopes that somebody would find her or have seen her some place. So we helped the family with flyers and T-shirts and some resources such as that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let me ask you this, Dawn. Did you get a sense that he was sincere? Or did you get a sense that maybe he was reaching out for some other purpose to, perhaps, look like he`s being involved, because he was criticized for not -- not being -- not going public immediately, not doing a news conference, begging for help, that kind of thing.

DAVIS: Right. And when I spoke with him, he seemed very sincere. He expressed frustration of being -- not knowing thou respond in the public eye. A lot of times these parents of missing children are put under a great deal of scrutiny. And it`s hard for them to know how to react because no one really has any idea what they`re going through and what`s happening at the time.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So you believe him that he was just a concerned genuine dad looking for his daughter? He is not being called a suspect or a person of interest. But, obviously, when cops say his story doesn`t pass the straight face test, they are saying they think he`s lying.

DAVIS: I think that, you know, they`re doing their job of the investigating and trying to find every answer they can. And certainly in light of those things that they announced this weekend, I`m certain that they`re taking every avenue and every precaution in trying to find Ayla.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1201/30/ijvm.01.html

 

[cityslick]

It's the fact that the blood is "spattered." It's like blood spraying out, and not something you normally see with such a small baby.

The point is that LE knows it is her blood, and for a child that age and size to lose enough blood for it to spatter, and also to have some left at the location even after possible clean-up, then it points to foul play.

:cow: Personally, my kids never bled that much, and I even have two boys, one of whom played football and liked to rough-house. Occasionally they'd get a little cut on a finger or a skinned knee from playing outside, but nothing that would spatter. Most nosebleeds that happen from dry air might get on a pillowcase/towel/clothes, but not on the floor or furniture.

If a baby Ayla's size had nosebleed bad enough for it to spatter, she would need to go to the hospital, I would think.

Here is what I don't understand. If this is true about the splatter, how is it they these people (the 3 adults in the home) are not in the very least POI's yet? I mean, it fairly obvious that they lied to LE initially about the abduction, that becomes more and more clear every day (and I'm sure LE came to that conclusion even before the public did). What possible explanation could JD come up with that would explain blood splatter from a toddler? I think the fact that half of it was concealed is even more damning, because it goes to some sort of cover up.

Were cadaver/bloodhound dogs every brought in? Did they hit on anything?