ME ME - Ayla Reynolds, 20 mnths, Waterville, 17 December 2011 - # 8

[Sparklin]

I also wish we had the full, unbridled truth from Justin and those in the house that night. Then we, or more importantly LE could sort this out.

Ohhhh...I wish that far more than the other too!!

 

[HiHater]

In all actuality, I think JD could have stopped paying child support as soon as he got physical custody of Ayla. Would he just continue paying Trista or the state? For what? She's not caring for the child?

JMO

 

[HiHater]

But that means that Ayla had an open case. I'm am perfectly aware that JD had the right to go get Ayla from her aunt. I think it was a crappy thing to do after he agreed that Ayla was ok being there while Trista was in detox. If Trista had, say cancer, and was going to be in the hospital for 5-10 days and JD agreed that Ayla could stay with the aunt/grandma during that time, and then he went and showed up with the police to take her, would posters feel the same way? It's really not any different. It was a shifty move.

However, the problem isn't really with that. JD was within his rights. The real problem is that there was no follow up by DHHS. After Ayla broke her arm and she missed doctors appointments ( I read it was 4) they were obligated to ensure Ayla's safety. Did they? Were there ever any home visits or welfare checks? That's where DHHS was wrong. And that is where Trista has a potential suit against DHHS. They violated Ayla's rights protected under the 8th and 14th Amendments. My state has had a myriad of similar cases. .and the state has lost.

MOO

Do you mean the 4th and 14th Amendments? That I could partially agree with, because taking a child is a "seizure" of a person---but the 8th Amendment is cruel and unusual punishment...

 

[maedlamsmom]

This is slightly OT, but while researching litigation against the Maine DHHS, I am seeing quite a bit regarding their budgeting problems and failures to properly evaluate situations from all sides. I don't think Maine is unique in this, but it does appear to be a pressing issue currently within the state. Also, there seems to be a consensus that, as a organization, they need more transparency in their actions. Here's an article about another, unrelated case, in which parents sued. It is interesting in regards to Trista, bc from my point of view DHHS acted rashly and then did not follow through. I am not well-versed enough in child protection laws to evaluate the legality of their actions, but from a layman's perspective, they may be faulted. All moo... Here's the article. It's a sad story...

http://maineinsights.com/perma/nort...icials-for-civil-rights-abuses-and-misconduct


ETA: Here's a slightly less biased, more MSM, article with all the same information.

http://www.onlinesentinel.com/news/...ated-to-taking-of-adopted-son_2011-12-07.html

 

[SmoothOperator]

Helo Justin took out a 25,000 life insurance policy the week he got Ayla!!!!

On vinnie politan now!

 

[tamild]

But that means that Ayla had an open case. I'm am perfectly aware that JD had the right to go get Ayla from her aunt. I think it was a crappy thing to do after he agreed that Ayla was ok being there while Trista was in detox. If Trista had, say cancer, and was going to be in the hospital for 5-10 days and JD agreed that Ayla could stay with the aunt/grandma during that time, and then he went and showed up with the police to take her, would posters feel the same way? It's really not any different. It was a shifty move.

I agree. If that's the way it went down, then yes, it was shifty. If he decided to exercise his rights, the decent thing to do would be to directly contact Jessica/Becca and let them know his intentions. Of course, we have no idea what sort of relationship they had, so I can't speculate too much on why he didn't do this.

However, the problem isn't really with that. JD was within his rights. The real problem is that there was no follow up by DHHS. After Ayla broke her arm and she missed doctors appointments ( I read it was 4) they were obligated to ensure Ayla's safety. Did they? Were there ever any home visits or welfare checks? That's where DHHS was wrong. And that is where Trista has a potential suit against DHHS. They violated Ayla's rights protected under the 8th and 14th Amendments. My state has had a myriad of similar cases. .and the state has lost.

MOO

BBM Here's where things get muddled in my mind. Trista and Justin had an "agreement." According to the family timeline, Trista agreed to let Ayla stay with Justin after she got out of rehab, and after the family states that Justin violated the agreement made during the family team meeting. I don't blame Trista for this. She herself stated that she was unable to care for Ayla, and I think it was admirable of her to recognize that she wasn't properly equipped to care for Ayla at that time. What I'm confused about is whether or not this was a formal, written agreement, or what it actually was. Also, depending on what the agreement really was, I'm not sure how much DHHS was obligated to remain involved. In other words, if DHHS took custody of Ayla and then failed to keep her safe, then yes, I would hold them accountable. However, if Trista voluntarily agreed that Justin should care for Ayla, I'm not sure if DHHS would be under any obligation to monitor the situation. I guess we won't really know the answers unless someone produces some documentation. Regardless, in my mind anyway, the custody issue and Ayla's disappearance are two separate issues. JMO

 

[Amster]

Care to clarify?

She lost custody of her daughter due to her alcohol problem. Nobody took Ayla from her for no good reason. She needs to keep her victim status real.....her baby is missing. All of this gorilla dust she and her family are throwing around is not helping to find out what happened to Ayla. She tends to think this case is all about her.....:twocents:

 

[naturallyme]

This is slightly OT, but while researching litigation against the Maine DHHS, I am seeing quite a bit regarding their budgeting problems and failures to properly evaluate situations from all sides. I don't think Maine is unique in this, but it does appear to be a pressing issue currently within the state. Also, there seems to be a consensus that, as a organization, they need more transparency in their actions. Here's an article about another, unrelated case, in which parents sued. It is interesting in regards to Trista, bc from my point of view DHHS acted rashly and then did not follow through. I am not well-versed enough in child protection laws to evaluate the legality of their actions, but from a layman's perspective, they may be faulted. All moo... Here's the article. It's a sad story...

http://maineinsights.com/perma/nort...icials-for-civil-rights-abuses-and-misconduct


ETA: Here's a slightly less biased, more MSM, article with all the same information.

http://www.onlinesentinel.com/news/...ated-to-taking-of-adopted-son_2011-12-07.html

Like you I have also been researching Maine DHHS and found the case of Logan Marr. One article is here and there are several others.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/fostercare/marr/

According to what I have read this case caused Maine to reevaluate their system. After the DHHS case worker used 42 ft. of duct tape to restrain this child and the child suffocated, they decided that it was better to leave the child with parents if at all possible.

 

[SmoothOperator]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...-insurance-on-toddler-before-she-disappeared/

Sorry unemployed daddy taking out life insurance is not OK and is extremely damning Imo.. WHAT happened to ayla was intended.. Jmo

 

[HiHater]

This is slightly OT, but while researching litigation against the Maine DHHS, I am seeing quite a bit regarding their budgeting problems and failures to properly evaluate situations from all sides. I don't think Maine is unique in this, but it does appear to be a pressing issue currently within the state. Also, there seems to be a consensus that, as a organization, they need more transparency in their actions. Here's an article about another, unrelated case, in which parents sued. It is interesting in regards to Trista, bc from my point of view DHHS acted rashly and then did not follow through. I am not well-versed enough in child protection laws to evaluate the legality of their actions, but from a layman's perspective, they may be faulted. All moo... Here's the article. It's a sad story...

http://maineinsights.com/perma/nort...icials-for-civil-rights-abuses-and-misconduct


ETA: Here's a slightly less biased, more MSM, article with all the same information.

http://www.onlinesentinel.com/news/...ated-to-taking-of-adopted-son_2011-12-07.html

That's interesting...I'd like to see how the case turned out. Seems like they also had a lawsuit against the jail for failure to protect and failure to provide care.

 

[HiHater]

I agree. If that's the way it went down, then yes, it was shifty. If he decided to exercise his rights, the decent thing to do would be to directly contact Jessica/Becca and let them know his intentions. Of course, we have no idea what sort of relationship they had, so I can't speculate too much on why he didn't do this.



BBM Here's where things get muddled in my mind. Trista and Justin had an "agreement." According to the family timeline, Trista agreed to let Ayla stay with Justin after she got out of rehab, and after the family states that Justin violated the agreement made during the family team meeting. I don't blame Trista for this. She herself stated that she was unable to care for Ayla, and I think it was admirable of her to recognize that she wasn't properly equipped to care for Ayla at that time. What I'm confused about is whether or not this was a formal, written agreement, or what it actually was. Also, depending on what the agreement really was, I'm not sure how much DHHS was obligated to remain involved. In other words, if DHHS took custody of Ayla and then failed to keep her safe, then yes, I would hold them accountable. However, if Trista voluntarily agreed that Justin should care for Ayla, I'm not sure if DHHS would be under any obligation to monitor the situation. I guess we won't really know the answers unless someone produces some documentation. Regardless, in my mind anyway, the custody issue and Ayla's disappearance are two separate issues. JMO

I agree, and still think it is weird to announce plans of a lawsuit, when the case is no further than it was back in December.

 

[matou]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...-insurance-on-toddler-before-she-disappeared/

Sorry unemployed daddy taking out life insurance is not OK and is extremely damning Imo.. WHAT happened to ayla was intended.. Jmo

What other types of responsible things did JD do in Alya's name? Did he open a savings account for her? JMO

 

[SmoothOperator]

"Reynolds also says she's learned new information from investigators about what Justin DiPietro may have done before and after his daughter went missing. According to Reynolds, DiPietro took out a $25,000 life insurance policy on his daughter after he got custody. Reynolds also says DiPietro told her he filed to end his child support payments after Ayla went missing. Additionally, Reynolds says investigators told her DiPietro failed his polygraph test"

There is nothing. No poor excuse that will explain away what this dude has done.. Life insurance.. 25,000.. And after missing filing to abort support payments.. That alone is not what a parent does who has no knowledge of that the child wouldn't be returning..

Justin where the hell is ayla??.. Yes, I'm talking to YOU!!!

 

[HiHater]

If the life insurance policy has sinister intent behind it, that would mean Justin planned to kill Ayla from the moment he got her?

So which is it, did he get her for the sole purpose of killing her---or did he get her so he wouldn't have to pay child support?

I personally don't subscribe to either theory, just wondering how others arrive at those conclusions...

 

[Janeumayer]

There is nothing. No poor excuse that will explain away what this dude has done.. Life insurance.. 25,000.. And after missing filing to abort support payments.. That alone is not what a parent does who has no knowledge of that the child wouldn't be returning..

Justin where the hell is ayla??.. Yes, I'm talking to YOU!!!

ANd let's not forget he kept saying that he was "worried" Ayla would be abducted. uke:

 

[cluciano63]

I agree, and still think it is weird to announce plans of a lawsuit, when the case is no further than it was back in December.

Ayla may never be found...TR may know that...what is she supposed to wait for? JD to confess?

 

[Janeumayer]

If the life insurance policy has sinister intent behind it, that would mean Justin planned to kill Ayla from the moment he got her?

So which is it, did he get her for the sole purpose of killing her---or did he get her so he wouldn't have to pay child support?

I personally don't subscribe to either theory, just wondering how others arrive at those conclusions...

OK, Two Theories:

1. Maybe, just maybe, someone threatened Justin with abducting Ayla. This is if he was involved in drugs and owed someone money. So Justin took the Insurance to pay back the money he owed and get Ayla back.

But let's not forget the blood found in the basement. So it makes me think the above was not the case.

2. We know Justin wanted TR to get an abortion. He later finds out he has a daughter (cause TR asked for child support). Maybe Justin got pissed, because he did not want this child and now has to pay for her living expenses. So he asks DHHS to get Ayla, gets her Insured, kills her and fakes an abduction.

No more child support and he gets paid to get rid of her. This is a win/win if he is smart enough to get rid of all evidence of foul play in the house. But we know he messed this up.

So, I am going with the second and last theory. Of course this is just a theory and my opinion only.

 

[ynotdivein]

For those interested in the Handler case and what light it might shed on Maine DHHS and/or Ayla's case, the Kennebec Journal/Morning Sentinel ran a three-part story about it in fall 2011.

First installment

Second installment

Third installment

It's important to remember that the Handler case involves a foster child, and several other variables that differ from Ayla's situation.

Also, the Portland Press-Herald, the Morning Sentinel (Waterville) and the Kennebec Journal (Augusta) are all part of the same media conglomerate. On a single day, you will find the same story with minor editing variations in all three papers, both print and online. Each tailors its focus to the population center it serves--hence the many links to the onlinesentinel.com site, and the proportionally greater number of user comments on articles there, regarding Ayla.

The Bangor Daily News offers solid reporting from outside the PPH/MS/KJ realm. For example, their online front page currently features a story about Trista. The Online Sentinel has a warning, with photo, about not driving onto thin ice, and a breaking news story about counterfeit drugs.

 

[HiHater]

Ayla may never be found...TR may know that...what is she supposed to wait for? JD to confess?

It has been 2 months. 2 months...she could have at least waited until she consulted an attorney?

And from everything I read TR say in the media, she is at least partially "holding out hope."

 

[ynotdivein]

Ayla's mother going on offensive in search for missing girl - Bangor Daily News