ME - Lewiston, Mass Shooting, Multiple Scenes, 18 killed *shooter found dead* Oct 2023 #2

[sleepingmonkey]

Maine gunman was 'obsessed' with cornhole before massacre

Lewiston, a once-busy city is today a ghost town as hundreds of FBI agents and Maine state troopers search for Card, the 40-year-old mentally ill gunman.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[IzzyBlanche]

His sister in law, Katie Card told various reporters/outlets this information.

Maine shooter 'heard VOICES at bowling alley and bar'

Suspected Maine shooter Robert Card heard voices before he launched the deadly attack which killed at least 18 people, according to his sister-in-law.

www.dailymail.co.uk

'I have known Rob my whole life,' she told the Daily Beast on Thursday.

'He is quiet but the most loving, hardworking, and kind person that I know. But in the past year, he had an acute episode of mental health, and it's been a struggle.'

She added that Card told his family that he could hear voices criticizing him while he was in the bar and bowling alley.

'He truly believed he was hearing people say things,' she added. 'This all just happened within the last few months.'

I thought you meant he knew the victims he shot.

There's nothing in this link that says anything like that.

I'm confused.

 

[sleepingmonkey]

I thought you meant he knew the victims he shot.

There's nothing in this link that says anything like that.

I'm confused.

I added additional links.

 

[sleepingmonkey]

Daughter of bar manager killed in Lewiston shooting says she knew of suspect Robert Card

The daughter of a bar manager who was shot and killed in Lewiston, Maine, Wednesday night said she knows of the suspect.

www.wmur.com

Joseph Walker’s daughter Bethany said she has worked at the restaurant as a bartender for years and knew of Card from different leagues and tournaments he was involved in.

 

[LaborDayRN]

Law enforcement officers conduct a manhunt Friday in Monmouth, Maine, for suspect Robert Card following a mass shooting on Wednesday

Law enforcement officials prepare to search the Androscoggin River in Lisbon Falls on Friday.
The Maine Department of Public Safety says it will hold another briefing at 5 p.m. ET.

Officials said earlier today that they are committed to briefing reporters every day at 10 a.m. ET, and may choose to hold an afternoon briefing if news merits.

https://www.npr.org/live-updates/maine-shooting-manhunt-victims-suspect

I just want to say how relieved I am to see LE wearing helmets in their response to the shooter. I've watched several of these mass shooter situations while yelling at my screen to "put on a helmet and bulletproof vest!!"

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Daughter of bar manager killed in Lewiston shooting says she knew of suspect Robert Card

The daughter of a bar manager who was shot and killed in Lewiston, Maine, Wednesday night said she knows of the suspect.

www.wmur.com

Joseph Walker’s daughter Bethany said she has worked at the restaurant as a bartender for years and knew of Card from different leagues and tournaments he was involved in.

Thanks.

I don't think "know" is the equivalent of "know of."

"Know" to me implies personal interaction while "know of" doesn't.

As in, for example

I know my husband, but I don't know his cousins since I've never met any of them, but l do know of them.

 

[sleepingmonkey]

Thanks.

I don't think "know" is the equivalent of "know of."

I posted many links above.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I posted many links above.

Gotcha. Thanks.

 

[sleepingmonkey]

Suspect Robert Card Allegedly Targeted Bar Cornhole Players

Exclusive video shows Maine mass shooting suspect, Robert Card, playing cornhole at a recent tournament.

www.insideedition.com

 

[LaborDayRN]

The victims of Wednesday night’s shootings were named as Ronald Morin, 55; Peyton Brewer Ross, 40; Joshua Seal, 36; Bryan MacFarlane, 41; Joseph Walker, 47; Arthur Strout, 42; Maxx Hathaway, 35; Stephen Vozzella, 45; Thomas Conrad, 34; Michael Deslauriers, 51; Jason Walker, 51; Tricia Asselin, 53; William Brackett, 48; and Keith Macneir, 64.
Father and son William and Aaron Young, 44 and 14, respectively were also named by police, as were husband and wife Bob and Lucy Violette, 76 and 73, respectively.

Lewiston Maine shooting live updates: All 18 victims identified

Search expanded to include Androscoggin River as officials reveal note was found during investigation

www.independent.co.uk

May they rest in peace.

 

[MyBelle]

His sister in law, Katie Card told various reporters/outlets this information.

Maine shooter 'heard VOICES at bowling alley and bar'

Suspected Maine shooter Robert Card heard voices before he launched the deadly attack which killed at least 18 people, according to his sister-in-law.

www.dailymail.co.uk

'I have known Rob my whole life,' she told the Daily Beast on Thursday.

'He is quiet but the most loving, hardworking, and kind person that I know. But in the past year, he had an acute episode of mental health, and it's been a struggle.'

She added that Card told his family that he could hear voices criticizing him while he was in the bar and bowling alley.

'He truly believed he was hearing people say things,' she added. 'This all just happened within the last few months.'

If I have a family member showing signs of mental instability, I'll alert LE to seize his guns so he can't hurt himself or anyone else. It's the entire point of red flag laws.

JMO

 

[IzzyBlanche]

If I have a family member showing signs of mental instability, I'll alert LE to seize his guns so he can't hurt himself or anyone else. It's the entire point of red flag laws.

JMO

Maine doesn't have red flag laws.

 

[nightowl1975]

If I have a family member showing signs of mental instability, I'll alert LE to seize his guns so he can't hurt himself or anyone else. It's the entire point of red flag laws.

JMO

I don’t think that’s how red flag laws work.

 

[Ilex]

I don’t think that’s how red flag laws work.

Just jumping off your post, but wasn't he put in a mental hospital in NY for threats to shoot up the base in Saco Maine? Was he in NY when he made those threats and does NY have a red flag law?

 

[Luna20]

If I have a family member showing signs of mental instability, I'll alert LE to seize his guns so he can't hurt himself or anyone else. It's the entire point of red flag laws.

JMO

Whats strange is that his army supervisor is the one who wanted him to be admitted to the mental health facility. If that has been confirmed why would he think RC would be ok in 2 weeks?

I haven’t read everything so I don’t know what has been confirmed so far but knowing RC had access to guns and was a trained firearms specialist should have been a red flag to his supervisor.

 

[MyBelle]

Just jumping off your post, but wasn't he put in a mental hospital in NY for threats to shoot up the base in Saco Maine? Was he in NY when he made those threats and does NY have a red flag law?

Yes, NY has a Red Flag law.

Red Flag Gun Protection Law

Pursuing Court Intervention to Save Lives

www.ny.gov

 

[MyBelle]

Maine doesn't have red flag laws.

And I'm glad I don't live there. Protecting the safety of loved ones has to be a priority.

JMO

 

[Marysmith]

And I'm glad I don't live there. Protecting the safety of loved ones has to be a priority.

JMO

Respectfully this could happen in any state.

 

[MyBelle]

Respectfully this could happen in any state.

It certainly happened in Highland Park Il. A son of a defeated mayoral candidate launched a horrific attack on the families attending a July 4th parade. He was dressed as a woman and took aim from a roof top, slaughtering innocent civilians. Thanks to the laws of the state of Illinois, the father is being prosecuted. Sorry you don't agree.

Highland Park alleged shooter's father says he is not culpable for son's attack

“I had no -- not an inkling, warning -- that this was going to happen,” Crimo told ABC News.

abcnews.go.com

JMO

 

[nightowl1975]

I don’t think the general public really understands how red flag laws work or how mental health inpatient stays work.

One, regardless of laws in New York, this guy lived in Maine and killed people in Maine. My understanding is that Maine doesn’t have red flag laws, so the criticism of “why didn’t someone do something” based on red flag laws simply doesn’t apply here.

Two, unfortunately, a two week long inpatient mental health stay is actually quite long compared to the handful of days that’s far more typical. Insurance companies aren’t paying for more than a few days in most cases to get someone “stable” on psych meds. Since there’s not really a way to “test” if meds are working or not except by asking the patient things like do you want to hurt yourself or others, it becomes exceedingly difficult to keep someone inpatient psych who doesn’t want to be there bc all they have to do is play the game and say they aren’t having those thoughts any more.