ME - Lewiston, Mass Shooting, Multiple Scenes - Oct 2023

[karen in New York]

Yeah, I should have said presser might be to keep attention away from the house rather than media specifically. Earlier they announced no presser today and now they have this presser with no info....so I'm thinking they are keeping attention on the presser so LE can work.

I could be wrong, of course, but I'm hopeful progress is being made at the house.

jmo

This was not called by the State Police who are in charge of this investigation. Rather it was called by the elected political people. Big difference IMO.

 

[Sulamith]

Was Sen. Collins “disappointed” in the killer?

LOL! Maybe also concerned?

 

[Ontario Mom]

"Loud bangs heard at home belonging to Maine shooter Robert Card's parents - ​

as it's revealed he may have been looking to target his EX at bowling alley and bar where he murdered 18,​

his sister tells cops, who found note in his home."​

Maine mass shooter Robert Card left NOTE at his home

Police on Thursday evening were outside the home of the father of Maine mass shooting suspect Robert Card. Card remains on the run after the murder of 18 people on Wednesday night.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Anyone know if it's been confirmed she's still alive or is she one of the victims?

 

[imstilla.grandma]

*which ex?

Card's family is cooperating with authorities, law enforcement officials briefed on the investigation told ABC News. Card's sister told investigators she thought Card might have been looking for an ex-girlfriend at the shooting locations, the sources said. One avenue of investigation is whether this mass shooting began as a domestic dispute, according to the sources.

Card was previously married. His ex-wife filed for the divorce, citing irreconcilable differences, which was granted in 2007 with shared custody of the couple's minor child, court documents show. The divorce order was amended in 2013 to include shared parental rights and responsibilities of the child, whose primary residence was with his mother, the documents show.

Maine mass shooting: What we know about suspect Robert Card

The suspect in a mass shooting in Maine that killed at least 18 people and wounded 13 others was found dead after a massive manhunt, officials said.

abcnews.go.com

His sister told law enforcement officials the 40-year-old Army reserve firearms instructor could have targeted Schemengees Bar and Grille and Just-In-Time Recreation bowling alley in Lewiston in the hope of finding her, ABC reported.

Court documents show his ex-wife filed for divorce in 2007 and they were granted joint custody of their child - though it's unclear whether she is his most recent ex.

Maine mass shooter Robert Card left NOTE at his home

Police on Thursday evening were outside the home of the father of Maine mass shooting suspect Robert Card. Card remains on the run after the murder of 18 people on Wednesday night.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Vaderman]

I've grown up with the increase in these mass murders. I was a freshman in college when the Virginia Tech massacre occurred (not a student there, but elsewhere).

I often wonder if the news sensationalism of these massacres is a factor in the continual rise. It always irks me when news coverage of these massacres preface "at least" before naming the number of dead.

I understand that that those two words can carry two different meanings, but it always comes across as a salivating desire for more deaths for more clicks.

Even the Washington Post, who I subscribe to and respect, has a headline stating "At least 18 dead [...]".

 

[waldojabba]

@10ofRods Per World News tonight with David Muir the hospital he was in for two weeks was the Keller Army Community Hospital in West Point NY

 

[Lore Listener]

"Loud bangs heard at home belonging to Maine shooter Robert Card's parents - ​

as it's revealed he may have been looking to target his EX at bowling alley and bar where he murdered 18,​

his sister tells cops, who found note in his home."​

Maine mass shooter Robert Card left NOTE at his home

Police on Thursday evening were outside the home of the father of Maine mass shooting suspect Robert Card. Card remains on the run after the murder of 18 people on Wednesday night.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Well, this would fit the evidence regarding the link between domestic violence and mass shootings.

Study: Two-Thirds of Mass Shootings Linked to Domestic Violence - The Educational Fund to Stop Gun Violence

More than two-thirds of mass shootings are domestic violence incidents or are perpetrated by shooters with a history of domestic violence, according to one of the first peer-reviewed research papers exploring the links between domestic violence (DV) and mass shootings. The paper also finds that...

efsgv.org

ETA: A link which is far more evidence-based than the supposed link to mental illness, I might add. It's easy to think, well I could never do something the cruel and horrible unless I "lost my mind," therefore people who do this must be mentally ill. But in actuality, some people are just violent, and usually there is other evidence of violence somewhere in their lives, whether anyone has ever reported it or not.

Is There a Link Between Mental Health and Mass Shootings?

Findings from the Columbia database help dispel the myth that having a severe psychiatric illness is predictive of who will perpetrate mass murder.

www.columbiapsychiatry.org

 

[Kmez_]

I've grown up with the increase in these mass murders. I was a freshman in college when the Virginia Tech massacre occurred (not a student there, but elsewhere).

I often wonder if the news sensationalism of these massacres is a factor in the continual rise. It always irks me when news coverage of these massacres preface "at least" before naming the number of dead.

I understand that that those two words can carry two different meanings, but it always comes across as a salivating desire for more deaths for more clicks.

Even the Washington Post, who I subscribe to and respect, has a headline stating "At least 18 dead [...]".

i’ve thought a lot about this too. but i think the uptick in mass shootings is because serial killers aren’t really a “thing” anymore. not with all the new tech, now it’s shifted to mass killings where they try to get the most at one time. a lot of them hold very similar views, it could just be correlation but it feels like causation too. i do i hope moving forward that mass shootings/any killings really are more victim focused. less saying the shooters name, more saying the victims names. i think the click bait titles and media also speak to people’s attention spans now a days. IMO

 

[SkyBoomer]

LOL! Maybe also concerned?

No doubt he’s learned his lesson….

 

[sarahjourneys]

I've grown up with the increase in these mass murders. I was a freshman in college when the Virginia Tech massacre occurred (not a student there, but elsewhere).

I often wonder if the news sensationalism of these massacres is a factor in the continual rise. It always irks me when news coverage of these massacres preface "at least" before naming the number of dead.

I understand that that those two words can carry two different meanings, but it always comes across as a salivating desire for more deaths for more clicks.

Even the Washington Post, who I subscribe to and respect, has a headline stating "At least 18 dead [...]".

I wonder the same thing. Especially because it seems … comparable in some ways to a situation when someone kills themselves. There’s a good article about this as ‘contagious’ here.

Mass Killings Inspire Copycats, Study Finds

Police have said so for years and now scientists have measured the effect: Mass shootings and school attacks do inspire copycats.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[sds71]

A member of law-enforcement has told all reporters along Meadow Road in Bowdoin to turn their camera lights off because of a dangerous situation.

We hear Police saying “Robert come out with your hands up”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1717679701043323238

 

[Leilei]

A member of law-enforcement has told all reporters along Meadow Road in Bowdoin to turn their camera lights off because of a dangerous situation.

We hear Police saying “Robert come out with your hands up”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1717679701043323238

CNN has it live. Loudspeaker: "Walk outside with your hands up" at the house.
Holy cow.

 

[MollyHarps]

Still waters run deep.

Well, it’s who he is now!!

I think the family have probably worked with Law Enforcement on that statement.

The last thing LE would want right now is his sister coming out and slamming the brother for his actions - this is presumed to be an active gunman still, a negative statement from the family could make the situation escalate even further.

As darkness falls I hope everyone in the close proximity to the area stays safe. I hope I wake up to news that he’s been caught.

 

[Betty P]

CNN reporting LE is checking one of his firearms that was found in his abandoned vehicle.

Well, this would fit the evidence regarding the link between domestic violence and mass shootings.

Study: Two-Thirds of Mass Shootings Linked to Domestic Violence - The Educational Fund to Stop Gun Violence

More than two-thirds of mass shootings are domestic violence incidents or are perpetrated by shooters with a history of domestic violence, according to one of the first peer-reviewed research papers exploring the links between domestic violence (DV) and mass shootings. The paper also finds that...

efsgv.org

ETA: A link which is far more evidence-based than the supposed link to mental illness, I might add. It's easy to think, well I could never do something the cruel and horrible unless I "lost my mind," therefore people who do this must be mentally ill. But in actuality, some people are just violent, and usually there is other evidence of violence somewhere in their lives, whether anyone has ever reported it or not.

Is There a Link Between Mental Health and Mass Shootings?

Findings from the Columbia database help dispel the myth that having a severe psychiatric illness is predictive of who will perpetrate mass murder.

www.columbiapsychiatry.org

Yes, it's been apparent for a long time that mental illness is connected to mass shootings. Its nice there is some kind of data to back that up.

That said, how does that help us? The laws tie our hands in preventing these horrific crimes. We have a patchwork health care system of mediocre quality that's failing to serve the public.

BREAKING:

CNN REPORTS HEARING LE TELL SOMEONE TO "WALK OUTSIDE WITH YOUR HANDS UP"

 

[Betty P]

JMO, they tracked his cell phone to that location and are flushing him out. Spotlight on house

 

[Leilei]

Breaking on CNN (still):
Loudspeaker "You're under arrest"
Spotlight on a window.
"We don't want anyone else getting hurt"
They called his name and said they know he's inside.

 

[Leilei]

Telling him to walk outside and asking if there is anyone else in there.
(Sorry this is moving super fast)

 

[MollyHarps]

Breaking on CNN (still):
Loudspeaker "You're under arrest"
Spotlight on a window.
"We don't want anyone else getting hurt"
They called his name and said they know he's inside.

Oh wow.

Praying that no law enforcement get hurt during this situation.

 

[MassGuy]

BREAKING: Police are surrounding a residence on Meadow Road in Bowdoin and saying over a megaphone “Robert Card, you’re under arrest. We know you’re inside, come out with your hands up, we don’t want anyone to get hurt.” My photographer and I are going inside our car out of caution. Will provide updates when we have them. @WMTWTV

https://x.com/connorclementtv/status/1717683203710894376?s=46&t=1LeaTK_fug_ONwN11qOyUw

 

[Leilei]

They're instructing him and any others who may be in the house via loudspeaker.
Former FBI Swat Team member on CNN: LE must treat this as if RC is in the house. They have time.
(My anxiety is spiking)