Measles: To Disneyland and Beyond

[LinasK]

nope, and nope.
At what point is the forced vaccination idea enough?

Gardasil is NOT forced upon you. I elected to have my daughter get it so that she is protected from the HPV vaccine when she becomes sexually active. HPV is not contagious. Measles is.

 

[annahanna]

I notice a certain hopefulness that a measles death is going to happen.
That'll show 'em!

You "notice" wrong. Please note, I specifically said "I pray it won't happen." Unfortunately, it is Highly likely that it will happen if this outbreak continues to spread as it has over the past few weeks. According to the CDC: "a resurgence of measles occurred during 1989–1991, again demonstrating the serious medical burden of the disease. More than 55,000 cases, 123 deaths, and 11,000 hospitalizations were reported." http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/189/Supplement_1/S1.long

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/...break-may-be-inevitable-as-cases-surge-in-us/

Having spent countless hours, days, and weeks in hospitals with my child, I could and would never wish illness or death of a child on anyone.

 

[annahanna]

But perhaps it should be. I suppose that people who do not wish to take advantage of the benefits of modern medicine have a right to gamble with their own lives. Perhaps they even have the right to gamble with their children's lives. They should not have the right to gamble with other peoples lives.

The complication rate of measles is MUCH higher then the complication rate of the vaccine. Measles can cause death, blindness, deafness, and neurological injury. The measles vaccine has been proven over and over again to be safe and effective.

 

[annahanna]

A few years ago moms were sending out lollipops by mail that their kids who had diseases had licked. The theory was, expose your kid and get it over with. They were stopped and charged.

ICK, just ICK!

I am so glad to hear they were charged.

 

[K_Z]

It's not a crime though-
Any more than it would be for children living in the same home to all experience a childhood disease together.

Criminal transmission of contagious disease IS a crime under some jurisdictions and circumstances.

I just did a very quick search. These first 2 links pertain to HIV and STDs. The last one is draft language from the Iowa Legislature on Senate Bill 2297, which appear to have also had a companion House bill (which gives it a better chance of passing, and indicates the seriousness and validity of the issue across parties.) The language in the bill specifies a number of communicable diseases. IDK if it became law, but there it is, and I wouldn't be surprised if other states either have laws on the books, or are considering them. My point is that it isn't 1950, when there were no effective vaccines. These "chicken pox parties" and "measles parties" are an intentional effort to spread communicable disease, which "could" be criminally prosecuted. All it takes is for one immunocompromised person to be infected, or one healthy baby who is infected and has complications, and I could easily see criminal charges applied.

Intentionally spreading communicable diseases is shocking and appalling behavior, IMO-- and I really think it does rise to the level of criminal behavior. It is not ''victimless" behavior.

And we have ALL heard about the potential for intentional spread of communicable disease as a bio-terrorist act, so this affects all of us. All it would take is a few suicide terrorists to infect themselves and become weapons, and travel to infect as many people as possible. I'm not saying the "measles party mommies" are terrorists, but the behavior is exactly the same-- intentional exposure and infection of themselves and/or their kids, and then intentionally moving about freely in society while contagious. The bio-terrorist tries to expose and infect as many people as possible; the "measles mommies and kids" don't care who they expose and infect. That's reckless endangerment, IMO.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_transmission_of_HIV

http://www.ganfyd.org/index.php?title=Criminal_transmission_of_an_infectious_disease

http://coolice.legis.iowa.gov/linc/85/external/H8118_Introduced.pdf

 

[K_Z]

Here's an old article about the chicken pox lollipops debacle.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/12/us-chickenpox-lollipops-idUSTRE7AB0SW20111112

Children taking chemotherapy or other medications that affect the immune system are among those who can't take the vaccine and would be at risk if exposed to infected children.

"You could infect them and kill them," said Jones. "That's murder."

BBM.

http://news.yahoo.com/parents-warned-mail-order-chicken-pox-lollipops-194620241.html

News reports from Phoenix’s KPHO-TV and Nashville’s WSMV-TV this week looked into groups forming on social media sites like Facebook that offer ways to get “natural immunity” from chicken pox by deliberately exposing children to the disease.

Facebook groups such as “Find a Pox Party in Your Area” have popped up — offering ways for people to connect and share the virus through infected items, according to the TV news reports.

http://blogs.webmd.com/breaking-news/2011/11/chickenpox-lollipops-chickenpox-parties.html

 

[Hatfield]

93% Guatemalan kids have measles vac vs 92% American
2014 article
http://www.texasobserver.org/disease-threat-immigrant-children-wildly-overstated/

Before demonizing undocumented children, we should look at the facts: The vast majority of Central Americans are vaccinated against all these diseases. Governments concerned about health, and good parents investing in their kids, have made Central American kids better-vaccinated than Texan kids. We fear them not because they are actually sick, but because of powerful anti-immigration narratives that link foreigners to disease.

Consider, for example, Guatemala. According to the United Nations Children’s Fund (UNICEF), Guatemalan kids are more likely than Texans to be immunized for most infectious diseases. Guatemala has universal health care. Vaccines are 100 percent funded by the government.

By comparison, one in six kids in Texas is uninsured, and even insured families often must pay for vaccination. That means that many Texas kids fall behind on vaccinations, or miss them altogether when their family can’t afford a doctor’s visit. Other families refuse vaccination.

I listened to a debate on the radio about this. One guy was claiming the outbreak was most likely due to the recent influx of people the US received recently and allowed to stay in US. He said in past couple of years there has been lots of new People and children from the far south. I cant recall the country but it wasnt Mexico per se but I think further south than that.

Anyway, the 1 point the fellow made which I havent heard explained anywhere was that he was saying the proof that the outbreak was due to the incoming people was because of this problem just starting to happen around the time of those people arriving. He went on to say that if the problem was only due to parents already in US not vaccinating their children, then we would have seen this issue long before now because people have not been vaccinating for many many years. So he went on to say that we would have seen isolated breakouts in many past years before now if it was solely due to parents not vaccinating their kids.

It was an interesting discussion and there were some interesting points being made by both sides of the debate.

I feel sorry for anyone who gets the measles because I can still remember how bad it was when I got it as a child many years ago. I have faint memories of being very miserable from it.

 

[CoolJ]

If there is anyone reading here who is actually concerned about what these companies are putting into these vaccines. Heck, even if you are an ultra "pro vaxxer". The next time you bring your child in for a vaccine shot, ask your doctor this question:

If my child gets sick or injured from this vaccine, who is responsible?

Ask that question, and see if you are OK with the answer you get.

JMO

 

[Charlie09]

But perhaps it should be. I suppose that people who do not wish to take advantage of the benefits of modern medicine have a right to gamble with their own lives. Perhaps they even have the right to gamble with their children's lives. They should not have the right to gamble with other peoples lives.

The complication rate of measles is MUCH higher then the complication rate of the vaccine. Measles can cause death, blindness, deafness, and neurological injury. The measles vaccine has been proven over and over again to be safe and effective.

The measles vaccination can cause all the same side effects + joint pain/arthritis/etc that is a lifelong side effect - and more. It's not that parents don't want to take advantage of modern medicine...it's we don't see the value in this particular part of medicine and choose to utilize what doesn't have the side effects.

 

[LinasK]

If there is anyone reading here who is actually concerned about what these companies are putting into these vaccines. Heck, even if you are an ultra "pro vaxxer". The next time you bring your child in for a vaccine shot, ask your doctor this question:

If my child gets sick or injured from this vaccine, who is responsible?

Ask that question, and see if you are OK with the answer you get.

JMO

I have asked my pediatrician if DD vax's contained mercury and I was satisfied with the answers I got. I trust him.

 

[Yoda]

Eighth infant diagnosed from Illinois daycare.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/eighth-infant-diagnosed-measles-illinois-kindercare/story?id=28869623

 

[CoolJ]

I have asked my pediatrician if DD vax's contained mercury and I was satisfied with the answers I got. I trust him.

I know you love and are concerned for your children. So what's the harm in asking that specific question?

 

[Yoda]

If there is anyone reading here who is actually concerned about what these companies are putting into these vaccines. Heck, even if you are an ultra "pro vaxxer". The next time you bring your child in for a vaccine shot, ask your doctor this question:

If my child gets sick or injured from this vaccine, who is responsible?

Ask that question, and see if you are OK with the answer you get.

JMO

I don't understand. Why should a person ask their doctor who is responsible if there is a bad reaction to a vaccine? TIA

 

[CoolJ]

I don't understand. Why should a person ask their doctor who is responsible if there is a bad reaction to a vaccine? TIA

Because you are allowing them to stick a needle loaded with toxins into your childs body?
Reasonable and responsible thing to ask, don't you think?

 

[MyBelle]

If there is anyone reading here who is actually concerned about what these companies are putting into these vaccines. Heck, even if you are an ultra "pro vaxxer". The next time you bring your child in for a vaccine shot, ask your doctor this question:

If my child gets sick or injured from this vaccine, who is responsible?

Ask that question, and see if you are OK with the answer you get.

JMO

The answer will be the same if you ask your veterinarian the question: nobody is responsible. These vaccines are produced at the direction of the federal government. Whatever side effect from the vaccination is less serious than contracting the full-blown disease.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

Because you are allowing them to stick a needle loaded with toxins into your childs body?
Reasonable and responsible thing to ask, don't you think?

I think most pediatricians are used to such questions and will try to spend a few minutes to educate the parent.

JMO

 

[Charlie09]

I have asked my pediatrician if DD vax's contained mercury and I was satisfied with the answers I got. I trust him.

Did you look at the full ingredient / side effect list that goes with each vaccination.

CoolJ is absolutely correct, not a doctor around will take responsibility if there is a vaccine reaction -
You may or may not have success with the vaccine compensation fund.

 

[Charlie09]

The answer will be the same if you ask your veterinarian the question: nobody is responsible. These vaccines are produced at the direction of the federal government. Whatever side effect from the vaccination is less serious than contracting the full-blown disease.

JMO

Completely an opinion...

 

[CoolJ]

Completely an opinion...

Absolutely it is completely an opinion! Big Pharm gives doctors info packets directing them how to answer these questions. But I know they don't have a directive on how to answer the above question. That is why I brought it up. Do you really think they are going to tell people the truth... That Big Pharm is immune from responsibility?

Common answers to the question above are usually they stutter their words or they get very defensive and angry, or if they are quick on their feet, they will circumvent the question entirely.

 

[MyBelle]

Completely an opinion...

No it is a fact. I have had measles and I became very sick but recovered. I had a childhood friend who contracted measles at 6-months and her "side effect" was total deafness.

MMR vaccine side effects
http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/pages/mmr-side-effects.aspx