MEDICAL EXAMINER RULES ALEX PRETTI DEATH A HOMICIDE -1 - dead after Minneapolis shooting involving immigration agents, US Jan 24, 2026

[Inthedetails]

All my opinion; Yes, absolutely... be "good" and you're safe, if you get shot 10-12 times in the back by the authorities you were "bad" and asked for it. IMO That's the message between the lines. Some take it on board and who can blame them I suppose as the fear grows...that's how these things work..moo much like a threatening abusive relationship but on the macro scale. Jmo

And with useful supporters helping them by pointing fingers at the victim and scrutinizing him for faults to convince themselves the victim isn't anything like them, but someone different.

"I wouldn't do what he did, and that's why he was shot."

What he was doing was witnessing and documenting abuse of power.

jmopinion

 

[Inthedetails]

Noem said that the FBI is now leading the investigation into the shooting. Previously, DHS said the FBI was assisting Homeland Security Investigations.

'We can always do better,' Noem says, describing 'chaotic' scene in hours after Pretti shooting

abcnews.go.com

 

[Emerald1328]

There was a lot going on, and in my opinion the totality of circumstances over time will be considered.

I agree that the Supreme Court has consistently ruled that the totality of circumstances has to be looked at, and the case you linked, Barnes v. Felix, does not allow for just a narrow timeframe in calculating the totality of circumstances.

However, I’d be interested to know if these particular agents were even aware of the prior incident Alex had with the other agents. Considering there’s 3,000 of them in one city, it stands to reason that there is a good chance they were not the same agents involved. If that is the case, Alex’s prior altercation with law enforcement should not be included in those “totality of circumstances”.

How could agents perceive there might be an altercation with Alex because of a prior incident, if they did not even know of the incident? Obviously it remains to be seen if they had knowledge of the incident but if one were to say that his prior behavior should automatically be taken into account when calculating the “totality of circumstances”, that is not necessarily true. I’m not saying you were saying that, but I think it’s an important distinction to make.

IMO

 

[paulegigs]

My hypothesis on Jan 24, 2026, Alex Pretti shooting: suicide by proxy (suicide by cop) + volenti non fit injuria. Studies show 10-36% of OIS involve SBC (Mohandie 2009; Hutson 1998).Key points:

• Constructive intent: Brought 9mm + extra mags to armed fed confrontation, creating lethal zone. Returned post-Jan 13 with more ammo—why if no intent to harm self/others?
• Fog of uncertainty: Armed resistance forced "plus one" threat assumption per CBP training. Continued struggle post-disarmament sustained fear.
• Rehearsal: Jan 13 videos show erratic behavior (expletives, spitting, escape w/o drawing)—desensitized him for Jan 24 escalation. Ambivalence common in SBC.
• Mindset: 2024 VA tribute choked up on "sacrifice for freedom"—suggests openness to martyrdom.

Reframes as Pretti's agency/"original sin," not just agent failure. Aligns w/ Graham v. Connor reasonableness amid uncertainty. Not victim-blaming if orchestrated via attempts.No direct proof beyond public info. Suggest psych autopsy/expert review of comms/records.

 

[paulegigs]

And with useful supporters helping them by pointing fingers at the victim and scrutinizing him for faults to convince themselves the victim isn't anything like them, but someone different.

"I wouldn't do what he did, and that's why he was shot."

What he was doing was witnessing and documenting abuse of power.

jmopinion

(added by mod) In my opinion, what he was doing, was purposefully bringing a gun to a dangerous fed op repeatedly, and provoking and inviting harm onto himself, because he felt a sense of martyrdom. he rehearsed violating laws and putting the public in danger, until he finally got what he wanted.

 

[sds71]

Former CNN anchor Don Lemon has been arrested, sources told cbsnews

Former CNN anchor Don Lemon was arrested last night in California by HSI and FBI, sources told
@CBSNews
. He was charged with conspiracy to deprive rights. He was in LA covering the Grammy Awards

https://twitter.com/x/status/2017221841534832860

 

[K9Enzo]

Former CNN anchor Don Lemon has been arrested, sources told cbsnews

Former CNN anchor Don Lemon was arrested last night in California by HSI and FBI, sources told
@CBSNews
. He was charged with conspiracy to deprive rights. He was in LA covering the Grammy Awards

https://twitter.com/x/status/2017221841534832860

Well done, I'm assuming, Grand Jury. imo

 

[Marantz4250b]

Thank you @tlcya
I would like to hear from someone who does not see what I am seeing. I really want to understand why some people believe the video is showing something different than what I see.

Strictly in my personal opinion; people who vociferously supported the current administration into power, and who strictly adhere to its teachings, seem to be simply incapable of accepting when the regime stops playing by the normal rules of human decency. They seem to scrabble around for any excuse as to why something was justified and claim certain things as facts when they clearly and obviously are not.

The statement that AP approached ICE officers with a gun is disingenuous at best. The statement gives the impression that the gun was visible and that his intention was to make it known that he had a gun.

The statement that he "brandished" his firearm was, and will always be, an outright lie. He did nothing of the sort and it is obvious from every video that he did not.

The statement that he intended to "massacre" Federal Agents is also clearly a lie. If he wanted to do that he would just have started shooting.

The statement that he was a "domestic terrorist" is also obviously a lie. He was nothing of the sort.

For the record; I don't really believe that some people actually believe that the video shows something different to what it factually shows. It's no different to all the other daft conspiracy theories, in that people just cannot accept that something has happened, usually something which absolutely rocks their belief system, so have to invent ridiculous rubbish to try to deny it to themselves.

All My Own Opinion, obvs.

 

[Jade]

Homeland Security officials have urged disaster response staff at the Federal Emergency Management Agency to avoid using the word “ice” in public messaging about the massive winter storm barreling toward much of the United States, according to two sources familiar with the directive.

The concern is that the word could spark confusion or online mockery, given the ongoing controversy surrounding US Immigration and Customs Enforcement — also known as “ICE.”

The guidance, informally delivered to a group at FEMA Thursday by officials from the Department of Homeland Security – which oversees both FEMA and ICE – comes as states across the South brace for potentially devastating ice accumulations, with some areas expecting a quarter -inch or more.

https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/23/politics/fema-ice-storm-memes


From a state currently devastated by a deadly ice storm with low temperatures that frighten us and another one possibly on the way I’m going to go out on a limb and say we can look at weather reports and radars and differentiate between an impending ice storm bearing down on us, which we are extremely afraid of, and ICE agents who are present in our community.

We need to know clearly that we are expecting ice, lower case, to descend on us not the undescriptive alternatives suggested.

Why is this worthy of even spending a minute thinking about much less putting out “guidance”?


all imo

 

[statt#1]

You’re right. He likely would be alive had he not tried to help a woman who was on the ground after she had been shoved. How low have we gone as a country that that is a sentence that can be said with total seriousness?

I'm hopeful that there are some others that might be saved by having an understanding of this very sentence....though I'd edit it back to my original thought, in my opinion, he'd be alive today if he had not inserted himself into the situation. The entire situation is much more than the individual incident. It's political. It's social. It's personal. It's already escalated to prior violence and death. It wasn't just the incident with the woman. It's my opinion he obviously either sought out or went directly to that location with a purpose. There is evidence already in existence this was not his first encounter, said evidence posted on this thread. Was his presence legal? Yes. Was his carry of a firearm legal? Yes. Did he exercise poor judgement considering the totality of the circumstances? In my opinion, yes.

 

[K9Enzo]

And with useful supporters helping them by pointing fingers at the victim and scrutinizing him for faults to convince themselves the victim isn't anything like them, but someone different.

"I wouldn't do what he did, and that's why he was shot."

What he was doing was witnessing and documenting abuse of power.

jmopinion

IMO No one assigns random civilians authority to “assess abuse of power” in real time. Being a protester or a so-called “legal observer” does not grant the right to obstruct agents, interfere with an operation, or force proximity. The way Mr. Pretti acted raging, spitting, and kicking a federal vehicle shows a level of volatility that, in my opinion, raises serious concerns about judgment and self-control. I wouldn’t trust that behavior around my goldfish. And yes, I suspect more context will emerge in the coming days and weeks about what was happening around him at the time, including communications and coordination. Whatever the final facts show, something was clearly not right here. IMO

 

[Inthedetails]

Was his presence legal? Yes. Was his carry of a firearm legal? Yes. Did he exercise poor judgement considering the totality of the circumstances? In my opinion, yes.

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What is the answer to this yes/no question:
Did agents exercise good judgement in shooting him 10 times?

Is it possible to find any fault in the agents, or are they simply victims of reacting (a grace they do not extend to Alex when he reacted to a fallen woman)?

jmo

 

[Inthedetails]

DBM

 

[CrimeDawg123]

DBM

 

[Marantz4250b]

IMO No one assigns random civilians authority to “assess abuse of power” in real time. Being a protester or a so-called “legal observer” does not grant the right to obstruct agents, interfere with an operation, or force proximity. The way Mr. Pretti acted raging, spitting, and kicking a federal vehicle shows a level of volatility that, in my opinion, raises serious concerns about judgment and self-control. I wouldn’t trust that behavior around my goldfish. And yes, I suspect more context will emerge in the coming days and weeks about what was happening around him at the time, including communications and coordination. Whatever the final facts show, something was clearly not right here. IMO

The First Amendment does, surely?

 

[Inthedetails]

dbm

 

[Inthedetails]

dbm (see posts below....another thread has been started which is why I'm deleting my posts from here)

 

[Summerliz03]

I wonder if Don Lemon's case should be a separate thread??

Former cable news anchor Don Lemon was arrested Tursday night, his attorney and multiple sources with direct knowledge told CBS News on Friday. A source familiar with the matter said a grand jury was empaneled on Tursday. FBI and HSI were involved in the arrest, sources say.

It was not immediately clear what charges he would be facing.

Former CNN anchor Don Lemon taken into custody after protest at Minnesota church service

Don Lemon was taken into custody by federal agents in Los Angeles, where had been covering the Grammy Awards, his attorney said.

www.cbsnews.com

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Thread 'MN - Journalist Don Lemon arrested for church protest, Minneapolis, 18 Jan 2026'

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The former CNN anchor Don Lemon was arrested late Thursday night on charges that he violated federal law during a protest at a church in St. Paul, Minn., his lawyer said, in a case rejected last week by a magistrate judge.

Mr. Lemon has said he was simply reporting as a journalist when he entered the Cities Church on Jan. 18 to observe a demonstration against the immigration crackdown in the area.

The protesters interrupted a service at the church, where an Immigration and Customs Enforcement official serves as a pastor, and chanted “ICE out.” Afterward, the...

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[statt#1]

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What is the answer to this yes/no question:
Did agents exercise good judgement in shooting him 10 times?

Is it possible to find any fault in the agents, or are they simply victims of reacting (a grace they do not extend to Alex when he reacted to a fallen woman)?

jmo

My opinion... the totality of the situation will be considered. Who can predict their behavior in an escalated situation? I know war vets, combat vets, LE both active and retired. Who can say how a person will respond if they feel their life is on the line? Whether "I" think it was or not, in my opinion, legally speaking, doesn't matter, nor does what "I" see in a video. In my opinion investigators and legal experts in this case will surely look at the totality of circumstances and also will seek to determine the answer to the question...what was the agents perception at the time?

 

[Inthedetails]

One has been started!

Thread 'MN - Journalist Don Lemon arrested for church protest, Minneapolis, 18 Jan 2026'

Friday at 8:35 AM

Gift NYT article:

The former CNN anchor Don Lemon was arrested late Thursday night on charges that he violated federal law during a protest at a church in St. Paul, Minn., his lawyer said, in a case rejected last week by a magistrate judge.

Mr. Lemon has said he was simply reporting as a journalist when he entered the Cities Church on Jan. 18 to observe a demonstration against the immigration crackdown in the area.

The protesters interrupted a service at the church, where an Immigration and Customs Enforcement official serves as a pastor, and chanted “ICE out.” Afterward, the...

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Thank you! I'll delete my posts from this thread.