Meghan Markle, Duchess of Sussex vs Associated Newspapers

[otto]

What do you think?

I'm assuming that Markle is a normal intelligent person that accepts rulings from the Court of Queen's Bench as well reasoned and fair. Why did she marry the Royal Family if she doesn't trust the Queen's court?

She's intelligent enough to persuade 5 women to speak on her behalf for a couple of years, and after the fact claim that she is "extremely upset" (post #175) that they spoke on her behalf. They continued speaking on her behalf and at no time does Markle seem extremely upset.

It's a messy business when 5 gossiping friends have to swear that they didn't realize they weren't supposed to spread the gossip. 4 other somewhat public figures already knew - obviously wasn't secret.

Why would Markle expect that those 5 friends, one of whom is connected with People magazine, to keep her daddy gossip a secret after Markle made no secret of it? Was this some sort of "influencer" event, where they promote Markle as as some type of victim - victimized by her father and then media?

 

[otto]

I have confidence that the legal hearing will be fair. In fact, the courts might lean towards Markle to keep her happy. Hopefully they look to keep her father happy too.

 

[otto]

I'm curious. Since Markle filed this lawsuit when she was still part of the Royal Family, is the Royal Family paying the bill for this lawsuit, and the bill for the defendants too - after Markle refused the offer to settle?

I bet that is the case. Is there any way to find out?

 

[Boxer]

I have confidence that the legal hearing will be fair. In fact, the courts might lean towards Markle to keep her happy. Hopefully they look to keep her father happy too.

She owns the copyright to her letter. In England can you lose copyright by sharing with friends?

Calling by the maiden name. It's easy way to be derogatory and yet not an actual epithet.
Camilla "Shand" and Kate "Middleton."

 

[Boxer]

I'm curious. Since Markle filed this lawsuit when she was still part of the Royal Family, is the Royal Family paying the bill for this lawsuit, and the bill for the defendants too - after Markle refused the offer to settle?

I bet that is the case. Is there any way to find out?

The RF has been a disaster for MM. She was doing fine, earned her own fortune.
Royals are trust inheritors.
Wish H&M had just got married in Las Vegas moved to LA.

 

[Oregonmama]

The RF has been a disaster for MM. She was doing fine, earned her own fortune.
Royals are trust inheritors.
Wish H&M had just got married in Las Vegas moved to LA.

Fortune? She was not rich until she married into the RF. She has been the disaster for the RF. Do u really think she would be able to pay for her own wedding ? The RF spent millions on her. That's not a disaster, that's a family that welcomed her to the crew. She did a lot of solo engagements with the queen way before anyone else. MOO

 

[Boxer]

Fortune? She was not rich until she married into the RF. MOO

Yes, she was. Her net worth was 5 Million. Not uber wealthy but self made.

 

[Oregonmama]

Yes, she was. Her net worth was 5 Million. Not uber wealthy but self made.

That is pennies but if she was so rich then she would have paid for her own wedding. The bride side usually pays but she didnt have the money for wedding. MOO

 

[otto]

She owns the copyright to her letter. In England can you lose copyright by sharing with friends?

Calling by the maiden name. It's easy way to be derogatory and yet not an actual epithet.
Camilla "Shand" and Kate "Middleton."

Does Markle have a last name other than Markle? I'm not going to write the Duchess of Sussexx every time her name is needed for this discussion.

She owns the words, her father owns the paper. That's based on the link you provided regarding Diana giving Prince Philip's letters to a third party - Burrell. He then wrote a book about the letters.

Markle's father gave one letter to the media in response to slanderous remarks that were published in People magazine in association with Markle's 5 friends. Not the same.

Even if the papers thought that Markle did not own the letter and did not have the right to publish it in the media - what then? Was he supposed to be silenced by the media? Was every media outlet supposed to deny him a voice? That's not right either, but that is the alternative to him publishing the response letter in the media.

 

[ZsaZsa]

The RF has been a disaster for MM. She was doing fine, earned her own fortune.
Royals are trust inheritors.
Wish H&M had just got married in Las Vegas moved to LA.

The Queen offered for her to continue her career and not become a full time working royal but she insisted she wanted to give up her career such as it was, and "hit the ground running". She obviously chose the life, until she found it entailed often repetitive work , and something called duty, not all riding round in gold carriages all day.
I guess you would call someone like the Queen who has devoted almost 7 decades of her life to service of her country merely a trust inheritor too. Compared to MM you are correct, MM is much more suited to Las Vegas than an ancient constitutional Monarchy. I feel sure the Queen saw that too, she is very shrewd. Hence the offer.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Does Markle have a last name other than Markle? I'm not going to write the Duchess of Sussexx every time her name is needed for this discussion.

She owns the words, her father owns the paper. That's based on the link you provided regarding Diana giving Prince Philip's letters to a third party - Burrell. He then wrote a book about the letters.

Markle's father gave one letter to the media in response to slanderous remarks that were published in People magazine in association with Markle's 5 friends. Not the same.

Even if the papers thought that Markle did not own the letter and did not have the right to publish it in the media - what then? Was he supposed to be silenced by the media? Was every media outlet supposed tio deny him a voice? That's not right either, but that is the alternative to him publishing the response letter in the media.

I find it's easier just to use MM and PH.

 

[otto]

The Queen offered for her to continue her career and not become a full time working royal but she insisted she wanted to give up her career such as it was, and "hit the ground running". She obviously chose the life, until she found it entailed often repetitive work , and something called duty, not all riding round in gold carriages all day.

I guess you would call someone like the Queen who has devoted almost 7 decades of her life to service of her country merely a trust inheritor too. Compared to MM you are correct, MM is much more suited to Las Vegas than an ancient constitutional Monarchy. I feel sure the Queen saw that too, she is very shrewd. Hence the offer.

I read that too. Markle and Harry were given the option that Markle continue with her acting career, but Markle assured the Queen that she was ready for the role of Harry's wife and Royal Family duties. Blaming the media for changing her mind, then moving to LA and seeking out the media, not buying it.

The 'duty' part is where things went wrong, and this is also the origin for ambition of "modern-making" a centuries old tradition. Modernizing to teens means tossing out the old. Modernizing to a middle aged woman (39 in August) should include some tradition - unless life has never had tradition so it has no value. Just musing.

Why are the most basics of information, learned through decades and passed down in family, rejected?

 

[otto]

I think it's important to respect the fact that the UK values the Monarchy. The UK is a wealthy country that provides. It isn't Markle's business to think that she has some role in changing how people view the Royal Family. Hopefully the Freedom book respects the UK and her traditions.

 

[otto]

The RF has been a disaster for MM. She was doing fine, earned her own fortune.
Royals are trust inheritors.
Wish H&M had just got married in Las Vegas moved to LA.

I still suspect that the Royal Family is paying the bill because Markle would have argued that she initiated the lawsuit as a result of her royal duties, therefore costs should be covered by Prince Charles or the public purse. Not settling and dragging her friends through the wringer if the Royal Family is paying costs would not be good.

Does anyone know how or where to research who is paying Markle's legal bill?

Before anyone imagines that I'm picking on Markle. That is not the case. I am curious because I think it makes a difference when Markle has no financial or personal stake in the trial. Inquiring minds want to know.

 

[ZsaZsa]

I read that too. Markle and Harry were given the option that Markle continue with her acting career, but Markle assured the Queen that she was ready for the role of Harry's wife and Royal Family duties. Blaming the media for changing her mind, then moving to LA and seeking out the media, not buying it.

The 'duty' part is where things went wrong, and this is also the origin for ambition of "modern-making" a centuries old tradition. Modernizing to teens means tossing out the old. Modernizing to a middle aged woman (39 in August) should include some tradition - unless life has never had tradition so it has no value. Just musing.

Why are the most basics of information, learned through decades and passed down in family, rejected?

IIRC MM declared that part of her ambition was to modernize the monarchy,and was seemingly oblivious as to why British people took umbrage at that. The Queen has adapted and modernized as she has seen fit and with the consent of the people, all during her reign. It is not MM's prerogative to change anything.

 

[otto]

IIRC MM declared that part of her ambition was to modernize the monarchy,and was seemingly oblivious as to why British people took umbrage at that. The Queen has adapted and modernized as she has seen fit and with the consent of the people, all during her reign. It is not MM's prerogative to change anything.

Exactly. The first radio broadcast, televising her royal wedding, going online - that is modernizing the royal family. Keeping up with the times has not been a problem for the Royal Family. Getting dressed for occasions is also part of the royal family. Dropping that formality is fine, but not for the Royal Family and it is not a modernization. Dressing casual is common, not modern.

Maybe she thinks it's modern to manage media for the Royal Family with lawsuits?

 

[otto]

I think we've strayed from the topic - that of whether Markle will win her lawsuit, and who is paying for her end of the pursuit.

 

[oviedo]

I still suspect that the Royal Family is paying the bill because Markle would have argued that she initiated the lawsuit as a result of her royal duties, therefore costs should be covered by Prince Charles or the public purse. Not settling and dragging her friends through the wringer if the Royal Family is paying costs would not be good.

Does anyone know how or where to research who is paying Markle's legal bill?

Before anyone imagines that I'm picking on Markle. That is not the case. I am curious because I think it makes a difference when Markle has no financial or personal stake in the trial. Inquiring minds want to know.

If the monarchy has to do an accounting of the public funds - we might see if those funds were used IMO- our lawyers aren’t ever going to divulge who pays but I suppose they could call her as a witness and ask who’s paying ? Otherwise I don’t know how we can find out
JMO

 

[Boxer]

The Queen offered for her to continue her career and not become a full time working royal but she insisted she wanted to give up her career such as it was, and "hit the ground running". She obviously chose the life, until she found it entailed often repetitive work , and something called duty, not all riding round in gold carriages all day.
I guess you would call someone like the Queen who has devoted almost 7 decades of her life to service of her country merely a trust inheritor too. Compared to MM you are correct, MM is much more suited to Las Vegas than an ancient constitutional Monarchy. I feel sure the Queen saw that too, she is very shrewd. Hence the offer.

It true the Queen is a trust inheritor. She is no doubt shrewd and hard working.
She may have foreseen the nasty side of the English.


H&M intended to stay, that's why they put so much of their own money in to remodel the derelict Frogmore. But negativity mounted and it became no life anyone would want for their child.


Since they will not be living in Frogmore, and realizing maybe the English people preferred Frogmore to be torn down rather than bear the expense of restoring it.
H&M have said they will now also cover the costs not just for the remodeling which they already did personally pay for, but for the major basic structural restoration of the building that had to be done to make it habitable. That restoration cost 2.4 million pounds.

Just for comparison - W&K used 4 million pounds of Sovereign money to upgrade Kensington and the Queen allocated 369 million pounds sovereign funds to upgrade Buckingham Palace over 10 years starting 2016.

Also the brothers weddings cost the same about 35 million each.
Harry's was a little more, but since 90% of both wedding costs were about security and that was more costly by 2017 it was unavoidable.
Kate dress was 500k (she paid for it) Meghan's 130k (she paid for it.)

 

[Boxer]

I read that too. Markle and Harry were given the option that Markle continue with her acting career, but Markle assured the Queen that she was ready for the role of Harry's wife and Royal Family duties. Blaming the media for changing her mind, then moving to LA and seeking out the media, not buying it.

The 'duty' part is where things went wrong, and this is also the origin for ambition of "modern-making" a centuries old tradition. Modernizing to teens means tossing out the old. Modernizing to a middle aged woman (39 in August) should include some tradition - unless life has never had tradition so it has no value. Just musing.

Why are the most basics of information, learned through decades and passed down in family, rejected?

All these arguments ignore the press drip drip drip of negativity from the beginning.

Why, because there is a lot of bad unacknowledged English behavior.