Melissa Huckaby, Suspect- thread #2

[daisy.faithfull]

I think MH is refusing visitors because she knows she has lost control of the situation and she has lost her confidence at manipulating people. At the presser, it was stated that she 'drove herself' down to LE, and walked in talking! At first, she was very talkative, and calm. She then became very emotional (probably when her story wasn't reading, and LE wasn't buying it). She then became calm again (one last effort to "control"), and finally she was "resigned". I think she is probably experiencing an emotion she has never, ever, felt before - a total lack of control, combined with attention that is beyond her wildest imaginings. Powerful stuff....

That makes sense. I was wondering about the mood swings. The was you explain it makes perfect sense.

I wonder how much control she did have over her grandparents. If she was able to pull off being a Sunday School teacher I would think that she has a great deal of control over how people perceived her, probably related to the need to mask metal illness. It will be interesting to see how MH's family is similar and different from the Anthony's.

I hope that she continues to talk about the crime and herself. I'd think the more she does the more insight profilers can gain.

 

[daisy.faithfull]

Yes, the whole munchausen theory makes sense to me because it helps to explain a motive, and it fits with what was obviously an attention-seeking personality. MH continued feeling connected and tied to the case by telling everyone and their brother (except for LE) about the missing suitcase, and by leaving those crazy notes. If Sandra's death had been either intentional or accidental, it would seem to make the most sense for MH to stay as far away from the media as possible!

The suicide attempt could have been for attention as well. We don't know how she committed suicide, but it doesn't sound like it was a very effective manner.

If Sandra saw MH doing MBP related abuse to her daughter, that could have caused MH to murder her to cover up, no?

I don't know if the authorities will release this information, but I am interested to see who MH's daughter is placed with.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I agree with LWOP. If the case does go to trial do you think that it would be a public attorney? It certainly seems that the family doesn't have the means to afford something better, but KC has her own team! :waitasec:

I don't see her having a dream team jump in to try and rescue her or at least...I hope not. I will be ticked off if it happens! She deserves a public defense attorney and should be the reasonable expectation here.

 

[Reannan]

It would also be very intersting to see the past medical records for MH's daughter and for herself! $10,000 is a lot of doctor bills to not have been involved in any serious accident or had any sort of major illness!

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I think MH is refusing visitors because she knows she has lost control of the situation and she has lost her confidence at manipulating people. At the presser, it was stated that she 'drove herself' down to LE, and walked in talking! At first, she was very talkative, and calm. She then became very emotional (probably when her story wasn't reading, and LE wasn't buying it). She then became calm again (one last effort to "control"), and finally she was "resigned". I think she is probably experiencing an emotion she has never, ever, felt before - a total lack of control, combined with attention that is beyond her wildest imaginings. Powerful stuff....

I see it a bit differently. I think the reason she requested no visitation was out of anger and spite. The defiance I saw in her mug shot carried over into her wanting the control of her visitation as an attempt to maintain power over the people (her family or others) who would bother to visit.

 

[panthera]

It would also be very intersting to see the past medical records for MH's daughter and for herself! $10,000 is a lot of doctor bills to not have been involved in any serious accident or had any sort of major illness!

I does seem like a lot considering it doesn't appear MH was working and wouldn't she or the little girl have been covered by state Medic-aid? :waitasec:

 

[OkGrace]

It would also be very intersting to see the past medical records for MH's daughter and for herself! $10,000 is a lot of doctor bills to not have been involved in any serious accident or had any sort of major illness!

One visit (with no insurance) to ER and I was billed over 7,000.
I was there for about 8 hours, what a shocker, we were joking and guessing before I opened bills, unreal but it happened.

 

[Reannan]

I does seem like a lot considering it doesn't appear MH was working and wouldn't she or the little girl have been covered by state Medic-aid? :waitasec:

That is an excellent point! They both should have been covered by Medicaid since there doesn't appear to have been any sort of steady income. I believe most people who are covered by Medicaid are also not balance-billed for $10,000.00 worth of charges! Most hospitals just end up eating the cost. The fact that there is a lawsuit is intereting in and of itself.

 

[Reannan]

One visit (with no insurance) to ER and I was billed over 7,000.
I was there for about 8 hours, what a shocker, we were joking and guessing before I opened bills, unreal but it happened.

Good grief! There must have been major testing, like MRI's, or CAT scans etc. involved! Were you covered by Mecicaid, and were you threatened with a lawsuit fromt he hospital? I know for a fact, that I could not pay $7,000.00 out of pocket to anyone....for any reason! I would have to set up a VERY long-term payment plan!

 

[daisy.faithfull]

That is an excellent point! They both should have been covered by Medicaid since there doesn't appear to have been any sort of steady income. I believe most people who are covered by Medicaid are also not balance-billed for $10,000.00 worth of charges! Most hospitals just end up eating the cost. The fact that there is a lawsuit is intereting in and of itself.

She did have that job as a checker for four years until 2004, she probably made too much to qualify for Medicaid even though she didn't make near enough to cover her bills. Also, the civil judgement for $10,000 was awarded to the hospital in 2002, we don't know that the services were rendered in that year. The hospital could have attempted to collect the amount in other ways before they headed to court.

 

[wicket]

I do so agree about meds but just suppose MH was prescribed meds and either she decided she didn't need them at all or was self-medicating herself. I have a friend who is bi-polar - when she goes off her meds she hears voices, she once shut off my water under all the sinks and the toilets because she was sure toxic gas fumes were going to kill me, off her meds she will tell stories of how she was once in a Nazi prison camp, etc. Thankfully, she is not dangerous, mean, or a threat to anyone including herself. Bleeding internally could occur from meds that are not taken properly.

Maybe MH's daughter will hopefully have a good childhood with her grandparents now - maybe a more normal one if all this turns out to be true.

 

[daisy.faithfull]

I do so agree about meds but just suppose MH was prescribed meds and either she decided she didn't need them at all or was self-medicating herself. I have a friend who is bi-polar - when she goes off her meds she hears voices, she once shut off my water under all the sinks and the toilets because she was sure toxic gas fumes were going to kill me, off her meds she will tell stories of how she was once in a Nazi prison camp, etc. Thankfully, she is not dangerous, mean, or a threat to anyone including herself. Bleeding internally could occur from meds that are not taken properly.

Maybe MH's daughter will hopefully have a good childhood with her grandparents now - maybe a more normal one if all this turns out to be true.

Were the voices and delusions caused by going off of her medications, or were they symptoms of her disease that came back once she stopped medicating? Also, you said that she began self-medicating when she stopped talking her meds, could the voices have been caused by that?

I think that you are right that this could have happened, I just wanted to clarify to make sure that I understood. I hope your friend is better and stays on her medication, that sounds really scary!

 

[arielilane]

fwiw I was very depressed in grade school and junior high and did not want to live... but I was a very loved child and not abused in any way. (not to say she wasn't at all though...just saying that her family history might be helpful to consider in terms of history of mental illness)

I don't think there is anything that can explain away her actions. She seems sociopathic to me (moo of course), couldn't hold a job or a marriage..... She moved from living independantly with child and husband to living with her grandparents in a trailer home. I think combine that with her mental illness (stress mental illness) and you have a situation ripe for something like this.

I also think perhaps there was a "trigger" when she saw sandra the first time. M claims she came to her house to play then left when she was told M's daughter couldn't play. I wonder if something happened to trigger this "rage" and when Sandra came skipping back up the road she just took her with her to the church (with the suitcase in the trunk!)

Nurse, I too was depressed for many years from age 10 until... well, until I had my son (gave me a purpose)and did not want to live for many years. I had no reason to feel that way, I just did. I agree with your post.

 

[wicket]

Were the voices and delusions caused by going off of her medications, or were they symptoms of her disease that came back once she stopped medicating? Also, you said that she began self-medicating when she stopped talking her meds, could the voices have been caused by that?

I think that you are right that this could have happened, I just wanted to clarify to make sure that I understood. I hope your friend is better and stays on her medication, that sounds really scary!

The voices and delusions were the original symptoms that she had developed over years before being forced into treatment. About once a year she feels she is fine, cured and no longer needs pills. The doctors have her meds so well balanced she has no effects mentally, then she starts to back off on her pills a little at a time after months and months of normalcy. She has a terrific husband, but no children, I think thankfully. She is funny and a good person.

But I do hope if MH is convicted and found to be suffering from a mental disease, that she will not be 'cured' in 5 years by a Committee of Mental Health Specialists and set free.

 

[arielilane]

I have not heard of Huckaby having but one daughter; this article mentions she has two children.
Huckaby never let her children play outside. In addition, this article states that Huckaby has two children.

Neighbor says Huckaby kept her kids inside

Carlos Martinez, a handyman for the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park where both Sandra Cantu and Melissa Huckaby lived, remembered seeing Sandra going into Huckaby's home about two weeks ago to play with Huckaby's daughter.
According to Martinez, Huckaby's two young children never played outside with the other children in the neighborhood.
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_12119398?source=most_viewed

 

[Nonni Brenda]

MBP also fits with the unpaid doctor bills/being sued for 10k in back bills from the Tracy community hospital, and the "overly thinness" of her daughter.

Those things also fit with many other things as well. We simply don't know enough yet. She certainly did come out of the woodwork 12 hours before her arrest and grandstand without batting an eyelash and her demeanor was described as "calm" at times when she was in with police. All of that does not sound normal to me... as to what it could be??? It could be anything... Something had to trigger this action tho... sadly if Sandra was always playing at Melissa's home it might be something that no one was ever a witness to except for the five year old. I wonder if they will question her????

What do you think about Dual Idenity D/O? Ond idenity calm, another emotional, another accepting what is happening. One kind sunday school teacher, good to children, another psycho comes out? :waitasec:Nonni

 

[daisy.faithfull]

Nurse, I too was depressed for many years from age 10 until... well, until I had my son (gave me a purpose)and did not want to live for many years. I had no reason to feel that way, I just did. I agree with your post.

I just can't imagine having to face any kind of mental illness as a child-- its hard enough as an adult! I'm so happy that you and Nurse have made it through the pain and are able to share your insights with us! :heart:

 

[daisy.faithfull]

I have not heard of Huckaby having but one daughter; this article mentions she has two children.
Huckaby never let her children play outside. In addition, this article states that Huckaby has two children.

Neighbor says Huckaby kept her kids inside

Carlos Martinez, a handyman for the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park where both Sandra Cantu and Melissa Huckaby lived, remembered seeing Sandra going into Huckaby's home about two weeks ago to play with Huckaby's daughter.
According to Martinez, Huckaby's two young children never played outside with the other children in the neighborhood.
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_12119398?source=most_viewed

That is a really good catch! I haven't heard anything about a second child.

This comment, also by Carlos Martinez, and from that same article was also interesting to me: "Her kids never played outside. Sandra was the only girl I've ever seen go inside." Aside from wondering why Sandra was the only one allowed, I'm a little confused :waitasec: because I thought that there was a report somewhere that Sandra's sister went to MH's house to look for Sandra and was asked to babysit MH's daughter.

 

[tiredofthis]

What do you think about Dual Idenity D/O? Ond idenity calm, another emotional, another accepting what is happening. One kind sunday school teacher, good to children, another psycho comes out? :waitasec:Nonni

I really don't think she has dissociative identity disorder, but she might try and say she suffers from it. There are too many indications she knew what she was doing, because she attempted to cover up the crime. Someone who has dissociative identity disorder usually isn't aware of their other personalities' actions.

 

[arielilane]

That is a really good catch! I haven't heard anything about a second child.

This comment, also by Carlos Martinez, and from that same article was also interesting to me: "Her kids never played outside. Sandra was the only girl I've ever seen go inside." Aside from wondering why Sandra was the only one allowed, I'm a little confused :waitasec: because I thought that there was a report somewhere that Sandra's sister went to MH's house to look for Sandra and was asked to babysit MH's daughter.

This is so interesting to me, as well...I also read about Sandra's eleven yr old sis being asked to babysit for Huckaby's daughter.

In addition, does MH have one child or two children? W/S will find the answer...