Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #10

[wasnt_me]

There was no leap. Amanda said that Meredith often locked her bedroom door, Filomina said that was not true. Amanda suggested it was normal, Filomina insisted police break down the door. Police were reluctant to take responsibility for breaking down the door, so Filomina accepted full responsibility.

Amanda claimed she was so panicked about the door that she and Raffaele tried to break it down. They cracked the door, and then stopped. After police arrived, they were no longer panicked. As Sherlockh posted earlier, it's all clearly explained in the Motivation Report. Several witnesses were present when Amanda said there was no need to worry about the locked bedroom door.

This is another one of those unfavorable facts for Amanda ... and one that needs to be swept under the carpet in order to argue that she is a victim ... just another inconvenient fact for the convicted murderer.

It's not unfavorable. RS could have cracked the door or hit the door and then got worried that he'd have to pay for a door he might be busting for no reason, so he could have stopped at that point.

AK's footprint--if it's her print--might stop at the door because she said she'd knocked on it to see if Meredith would answer.

Do we have pictures of the exact movements of RG's footprints in the hallway to prove they did not move or turn in any manner, but instead strode straight to the door?

 

[Nova]

I disagree. There is plenty of light from the street lights that shines directly on the side of the cottage housing Amanda and Filomina's bedrooms. The entrance that is invisible from the road is on the balcony....

Per Hendry, IIRC, that was only true in the winter when the large tree had no leaves. It still had leaves on the night of the murder.

So Laura's money and things were too good for the burglar too?

Anyway you slice it, only one room seemed to have been ransacked (and one other room was the scene of a murder).

That leaves two rooms untouched, so either a burglar was interrupted or someone was targetting Filomena's room for some reason.

 

[wasnt_me]

I must also ask myself how much interaction there was between the 2 girls. There appears that there was more interaction ( I am thinking since they both were in a different country and both spoke English) between AK and MK. We know they went to a classical concert, the Chocolate Festival etc but I do not read of what FR and MK did together thus I believe there to be a very good argument with respect as to whom knew MK the best

The motivation report says RF and Laura were close because of their age. I assume that means they spent more time together.

Which is my point for how AK would know more better if MK locked her door more frequently and you also have to touch a handle of a door or hear it lock to know that it is locked. FR could have seen MK's door closed and assumed it was unlocked, but it was locked. Unless FR touched the door each time, she can't know the averages of it being locked and unlocked and niether can AK.

 

[wasnt_me]

Amanda and Meredith both spoke English and that's where the similarity ends. Amanda was there for a semester, Meredith was an Erasmus student. They attended different schools, had different friends, had different values ... Meredith was British and familiar with European customs, Amanda was having a great time experimenting with drinking and drugs and was completely unfamiliar with European customs. They were not in the same league.

The British don't drink or do drugs? But MK dated a guy growing his own personal stash of weed? What of MK going to bars with AK, namely Le Chic? What of MK saying out till 530am partying on Halloween? She was a regular, extraordinarily beautiful young woman who probably liked to party a little too. She also bartended and knew how to make drinks, so she knew something about drinking.

 

[miley]

Well, are you saying that Guede's apology factored in to the reduction?

Yes, among other things too... (I posted these articles awhile back, notice how fleeing actually helped Rudy)

independent.co.uk
An appeals court today said it shaved 14 years off the sentence of a man involved in the murder of a British student Meredith Kercher because he was the only one of the three defendants to apologise to her family.

SOURCE:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...killers-apology-won-sentence-cut-1925868.html​

abc news:
The judges for the Perugia court of appeals also explained the reasons they granted Guede attenuating circumstances that led to a substantial reduction of his sentence.
These include the fact that he had no previous police record, the fact that he did not wield the knife that killed Kercher, that he voluntarily returned to Italy after running to Germany in the days after the murder, his young age, and the "acute stress" that led him to flee the scene without rescuing the victim.

(snip)The judges also mention Guede's difficult childhood without a mother and with a father who was often absent.

(snip)In explaining the attenuating circumstances, the judges also mention the fact that Guede is the "only" one of the defendants to have said he was sorry to the Kercher family, "even if it (the apology) was only for not having been able to save Meredith," and not for his role in her killing.

SOURCE: http://abcnews.go.com/2020/AmandaKno...0169888&page=2
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[Nova]

I don't think they needed to suggest anything about AK. As far as I understand it, L and F had a reaction that one might have after discovering murdered roommate (properly upset), while AK was cuddling and kissing with RS. That must have raised some eyebrows.

Perhaps. But its also true that AK was the "new girl" in the apartment, no? In almost any group, the newest member tends to be viewed suspiciously when something bad happens.

 

[wasnt_me]

I think it's rather significant that Amanda's room was untouched. All this talk about Rudy breaking in to steal rent money ... was Amanda's rent money no good?

Laura and Filomina had alibis and were automatically excluded as having contributed to the evidence that was revealed with luminol (evidence that had been cleaned up).

I thought we went over already and you didn't seem committed to a cleanup. In any event, I also thought we went over the fact that RF was the rent collector in the house. That's why her room was searched first. MK came home and I am guessing that after the murder RG wanted to get the hell out of there before anyone came home.

 

[Nova]

I think you might be explaining something different than what I'm talking about. I guess I didn't explain myself properly.

I expect that RF's door would be unlocked and either open or closed on the day of the murder.

However, the night OF the murder, I think her door was locked before the break-in.

I think she locked it because she was going away for the holiday. This is why I think she locked it:

1. RF, or the court in her testimony, claims that she went through the effort to attempt to secure her window because she was going away. if she was making an attempt to secure her room, and had a key to lock the door, it would serve to reason that she'd also lock the door before going away.

2. The reason she thought she had to secure the window. Apparently, she thought she had to lock it because what? Because she must have thought someone was capable of getting in that way. So why wouldn't she think all these "strange people" AK allegedly brought home wouldn't go in her room unless she locked her door?

3. Additionally, she knew that the front door had a potential to come open if not secured properly. So why not be more worried about locking your room door than a window that NO ONE IN THE WORLD thinks RG could have scaled?

I contend that on the night of the murder, RF's door was locked. RG broke in the window, came in her room, and to get to the rest of the house, he simply unlocked RF's door.

IF RF had indeed locked her door before going away and AK had no key to it, AK could not go in there to stage a break-in.

I theorize that Laura's door might have also been locked, which is why RG didn't go in there. He'd have to make effort to break it down. That might have been something he WOULD have done later, had he not been interrupted. AK's door could or could not have been locked, I don't know, since she hadn't gone away and had just been there earlier in the day.

I agree with everything else you've said.

Interesting. But this theory depends on a person being able to unlock a bedroom door from the inside without a key. We still don't know if this was possible, do we?

 

[wasnt_me]

I disagree. There is plenty of light from the street lights that shines directly on the side of the cottage housing Amanda and Filomina's bedrooms. The entrance that is invisible from the road is on the balcony.

So Laura's money and things were too good for the burglar too?

We know from photos that not only is the balcony visible but it had a lamp post by it as well. Check the end of the last thread (9) for those pictures. I have already proposed three times now that Laura's door might have been locked, and I've proposed several times that RG could have been interrupted before getting to laura's room.

 

[wasnt_me]

She had a boyfriend, and she had smoked pot with her boyfriend. Are these facts "something bad"?

Okay but don't they give her more things in common with AK?

 

[Nova]

The British don't drink or do drugs? But MK dated a guy growing his own personal stash of weed? What of MK going to bars with AK, namely Le Chic? What of MK saying out till 530am partying on Halloween? She was a regular, extraordinarily beautiful young woman who probably liked to party a little too. She also bartended and knew how to make drinks, so she knew something about drinking.

All true. None of it makes her a bad person or even an unusual girl for her age. Nor was she a nun, however.

The insistence that MK was a paragon of virtue while AK was a paragon of evil seems based in some sort of fantasized personal relationship with the two women.

 

[wasnt_me]

How would Rudy know who collected the money? I haven't read anywhere that he had any relationship with Filomina. Filomina didn't party with the guys downstairs, like Amanda did. Are you suggesting that Amanda told Rudy that the rent money would be in Filomina's bedroom? Why would Amanda tell him that?

I have already suggested that it could have been said in RG's presence. MK's BF could have offhandedly said it to RG. A burglar is known to ask questions to find out what they need to know. We already discussed this at the end of thread 9. Not sure why it's coming up as if we never did.

 

[otto]

It was supposed that Filomina collected rent from all the girls, which RG may have overheard, hence, he looked in her room for the envelope containing all.

This entire robbery theory does hinge on someone telling Rudy that Filomina collected the rent. Funny thing is that we simply cannot connect Rudy to that information. On to the next theory ...

 

[otto]

I think what is being stated is that we cannot make AK wear the black hat and MK the white hat, as in the old days when the "nice girl" was a virgin who would never drink or smoke. MK was sexually active and smoked pot. Nothing bad, but AK was not some polar opposite or something.

Can't get much blacker than being convicted of murder.

 

[wasnt_me]

That is not a fact. The balcony is on the opposite side of the cottage and is completely invisible from the road. Filomina's bedroom is well lit from the street lights.

Have a look ... clearly visible from the road even at night.

http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/gallery/image_page.php?album_id=13&image_id=2223

There's dozens of other photos you need to look at, especially those of people taking pictures of that balcony, which you can completely see the balcony in the picture. Same website you got that one from.

 

[Nova]

This entire robbery theory does hinge on someone telling Rudy that Filomina collected the rent. Funny thing is that we simply cannot connect Rudy to that information. On to the next theory ...

My, what high evidentiary standards, otto! Earlier you were willing to just assume that because AK knew nothing of RG's past interactions with police (something for which we also have no evidence), she assumed his DNA and fingerprint would be attributed to an "unnamed stranger."

We also have no evidence that RS ever met RG, yet you have no problem yoking them in a murder conspiracy.

At the very least, it seems we all have to accept there are holes in every theory and some speculation is required to make sense of any account of the crime.

 

[SMK]

All true. None of it makes her a bad person or even an unusual girl for her age. Nor was she a nun, however.

The insistence that MK was a paragon of virtue while AK was a paragon of evil seems based in some sort of fantasized personal relationship with the two women.

My thoughts exactly. As I said before, MK and AK were not polar opposites. MK was sexually active and smoked pot. Nothing wrong with that for a college girl of course , but to paint Amanda as some demon-wild-child and MK as a paradigm of virtue makes no sense.

 

[wasnt_me]

I don't think the report was conclusive on that. It was probably manual rape (assault if you like) I believe, but lets not speculate on that. It is bad enough as it is.

RG's DNA being found "in her" is enough for me.

 

[Nova]

There's dozens of other photos you need to look at, especially those of people taking pictures of that balcony, which you can completely see the balcony in the picture. Same website you got that one from.

Isn't the balcony visible from the road from this angle?

http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/gallery/image_page.php?album_id=13&image_id=2230

 

[SMK]

This entire robbery theory does hinge on someone telling Rudy that Filomina collected the rent. Funny thing is that we simply cannot connect Rudy to that information. On to the next theory ...

It is called inference, Otto.....