Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #10

[OldSteve]

Oh oh, I guess that's another media co. that Knox and Sollecito can sue. They'll be billionaires by the time they're released.

Can they really sue since they are media figures?

 

[otto]

Regarding the keys - do we know for sure that no one else had a key to MK room? I thought MK and Filomena were close, and it is possible that Filomena had a key to M's room. I also thought that there was tension between Filomena and AK - remember in the movie how quick Filomena was to cast suspicion toward AK by saying MK never locked her room...
I say this not because I think Filomena killed MK, but I do think AK was an easy target for all to point to.

If Filomina had a key to Meredith's bedroom, why didn't she use it to open the door when the postal police were at the cottage?

Filomina has an alibi.

 

[otto]

Can they really sue since they are media figures?

Lifetime is being sued for the movie ... I guess that means it's open season on anyone that produces a show about a crime.

 

[Allusonz]

Let's be clear. I have said that according to Candace Dempsey, Amanda and Raffaele were only fluent in their native languages.

I haven't made any assumptions about Rudy's language abilities. I have no idea what languages he does speak ... do you?

Time to clear up some things

I would expect that since RG was born in West Africa that it would be very safe to assume that he was African. He immigrated with his father to Italy at the age of 5. The main language of the Ivory Coast is French and it is my understanding that he became fluent in Italian

Rudy Hermann Guede had moved with his father from Côte d'Ivoire to Italy when Rudy was five. When his father returned to the economically and politically unstable West African nation, Rudy stayed behind with a prosperous businessman, Paolo Caporali, and his family. Rudy remained with the family even after his father returned again to Perugia as a laborer. Rudy's adolescent rebellion, though, drove a rift between him and Caporali. He fell into the darker side of Perugia's extensive student party scene, allegedly becoming a small-time drug dealer. A knife fight left him with an abdominal scar

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/young/amanda_knox/5.html

 

[Allusonz]

You know what?

FR doesn't know for sure if she locked the window. She rifled through her own room, looking for stolen items and so a bunch of glass got displaced. She has a loose idea of what clean means, and so how can I expect her to know if MK locked her door, or even if RF locked her own door.

It's really a lost cause.

I must agree with you here as it seems that she testified to 3 different scenerios with respect to the window and the state she left it in

I also must agree that her idea of clean and mine are very different

 

[otto]

Time to clear up some things

I would expect that since RG was born in West Africa that it would be very safe to assume that he was African. He immigrated with his father to Italy at the age of 5. The main language of the Ivory Coast is French and it is my understanding that he became fluent in Italian

Rudy Hermann Guede had moved with his father from Côte d'Ivoire to Italy when Rudy was five. When his father returned to the economically and politically unstable West African nation, Rudy stayed behind with a prosperous businessman, Paolo Caporali, and his family. Rudy remained with the family even after his father returned again to Perugia as a laborer. Rudy's adolescent rebellion, though, drove a rift between him and Caporali. He fell into the darker side of Perugia's extensive student party scene, allegedly becoming a small-time drug dealer. A knife fight left him with an abdominal scar

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/young/amanda_knox/5.html

So ... did he speak English?

 

[otto]

I must agree with you here as it seems that she testified to 3 different scenerios with respect to the window and the state she left it in

I also must agree that her idea of clean and mine are very different

How in the world can you comment on what the room looked like before it was ransacked?

 

[Allusonz]

As for Anna Donnino she described herself under testimony as a "mediator" rather than a translator

Otto we have had this discussion before and again here are the definitions of a mediator and a translator which I would think most would agree have different roles

"Under cross-examination she described her role as that of a "mediator" rather than a mere translator of words"

mediator n. a person who conducts mediation. A mediator is usually a lawyer, or retired judge, but can be a non-attorney specialist in the subject matter (like child custody) who tries to bring people and their disputes to early resolution through a conference. The mediator is an active participant in the discussions and attempts to work out a solution, unlike an arbitrator who sits as a judge

trans·la·tor (trnsltr, trnz-, trns-ltr, trnz-)
n.
1. One that translates, especially:
a. One employed to render written works into another language.
b. A computer program or application that renders one language or data format into another.
2. An interpreter

 

[Allusonz]

How in the world can you comment on what the room looked like before it was ransacked?

I can as I have looked at the pictures and formulated opinions just like many others have including yourself

There simply was not enough storage area for all the stuff I saw in that room. As well we do know that Filomena went into that room and indeed moved things around.

ETA She also went back into the cottage to retrieve her laptop

 

[Allusonz]

Another thing I wish to clear up is that someone posted that it was RG's jailmate not cellmate that stated and which was recorded that RG stated RS and AK were not with him that night and which forms part of the appeals. This is incorrect. It was his cellmate and his statement is on videotape

In the dramatic new statement Guede's cellmate claims that Rudy Guede told him there was another person with him but it was not Amanda or Raffaele.

The cellmate's testimony was videotaped and submitted to the prosecutor's office in Perugia

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-6271397-504083.html

 

[otto]

I can as I have looked at the pictures and formulated opinions just like many others have including yourself

There simply was not enough storage area for all the stuff I saw in that room. As well we do know that Filomena went into that room and indeed moved things around.

You have seen pictures of Filomina's bedroom before it was ransacked?

 

[Allusonz]

It was also stated that there were no hair fibers found and I simply could not recollect whether they had indeed found some or not but I did come across the testimony of Dr Luca Lalli whom did state that hair was found

Italian forensic experts are testing strands of bloodied hair found in Meredith Kercher's hand, according to reports in the Italian press.
Respected Italian daily newspaper La Stampa has reported that laboratory tests are currently underway on strands of hair found in Meredith's left hand with the hope that they may belong to her killer.
"We know that Meredith Kercher, on that evening of November 1, fought back and tried to defend

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...red-Meredith-belong-killer.html#ixzz1JGWLxTQN

A few strands of hair found in Meredith Kercher's clenched and bloodied fist may hold the clue to the identity of her killer, it has emerged.

Dr Luca Lalli, the pathologist who conducted the autopsy on Miss Kercher, said he had discovered "some hairs, some skin cells and some other fibres" on her body

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...nd-in-Merediths-fist-may-identify-killer.html

Italian detectives yesterday said they believe she may have grabbed her killer?s hair after strands were found in her left hand, along with blood and skin

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article460875.ece

 

[otto]

It was also stated that there were no hair fibers found and I simply could not recollect whether they had indeed found some or not but I did come across the testimony of Dr Luca Lalli whom did state that hair was found

Italian forensic experts are testing strands of bloodied hair found in Meredith Kercher's hand, according to reports in the Italian press.
Respected Italian daily newspaper La Stampa has reported that laboratory tests are currently underway on strands of hair found in Meredith's left hand with the hope that they may belong to her killer.
"We know that Meredith Kercher, on that evening of November 1, fought back and tried to defend

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...red-Meredith-belong-killer.html#ixzz1JGWLxTQN

A few strands of hair found in Meredith Kercher's clenched and bloodied fist may hold the clue to the identity of her killer, it has emerged.

Dr Luca Lalli, the pathologist who conducted the autopsy on Miss Kercher, said he had discovered "some hairs, some skin cells and some other fibres" on her body

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...nd-in-Merediths-fist-may-identify-killer.html

Italian detectives yesterday said they believe she may have grabbed her killer?s hair after strands were found in her left hand, along with blood and skin

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article460875.ece

You're referencing media reports from 12 days after the murder ... four years ago. Much has been clarified/corrected through trial since then.

 

[Allusonz]

You're referencing media reports from 12 days after the murder ... four years ago. Much has been clarified/corrected through trial since then.

you forgot the trial testimony

 

[sherlockh]

Another thing I wish to clear up is that someone posted that it was RG's jailmate not cellmate that stated and which was recorded that RG stated RS and AK were not with him that night and which forms part of the appeals. This is incorrect. It was his cellmate and his statement is on videotape

In the dramatic new statement Guede's cellmate claims that Rudy Guede told him there was another person with him but it was not Amanda or Raffaele.

The cellmate's testimony was videotaped and submitted to the prosecutor's office in Perugia

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-6271397-504083.html

CBS corrected themselves a week later.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20000287-504083.html

 

[Allusonz]

Seriously though, I'm thinking about this and it's very key to the case.

If the room was locked from the outside and if the roommates did not all have access to each other's keys, and RFs room was locked for her vacation trip, how did anyone get into RF's room without using the window?

It's just enogh for me to know that AK did not have a key to RF's room and there were no keys to the rooms laying freely around the home.

Again, I base this on the assumption that you have locked doors inside a home with keys for a reason. To distribute those keys to each person in the home makes having locked doors pointless.

I dont know about others but I find this locked door to be a bit of a red herring. I know how often I return home from a day at the office with my briefcase and various work documents thus my hands are full yet I am still able to unlock my deadbolt.

The other part of this is that there is nothing in MK's room to suggest that AK or RS were in that room so I would think the person whom has been identified to be in that room probably had the most to gain from locking it

To my knowledge FR's room was not locked but the door was closed when both AK and RS returned. It was then opened by them.

Considering that we now know that it was a very windy night I know how often my doors slam shut when I leave my windows open

 

[Allusonz]

CBS corrected themselves a week later.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20000287-504083.html

It still does not detract from the cellmate stating that he did indeed state this. I would expect RG to deny it

ETA I believe you may as well be confusing the mafia guy and RG's cellmate if I am reading these articles correctly

 

[Allusonz]

Oh oh, I guess that's another media co. that Knox and Sollecito can sue. They'll be billionaires by the time they're released.

It will be more amusing to watch the individuals they sue....

 

[Allusonz]

If just want to know if the roommates shared keys and if RF locked her room before leaving on her trip. We'll never know whether locking the door was normal for MK but we can say that it wasn't normal that day.

Filomena did not go on a trip. Instead her and her boyfriend went to a birthday party

 

[sherlockh]

It still does not detract from the cellmate stating that he did indeed state this. I would expect RG to deny it

I clearly showed that he is not a cellmate but a prison mate. Nice try though.