Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #10

[miley]

Man next they will be telling me that they look backwards while driving in Italy as that would appear to be the only way to see that window coming from that direction

Exactly - at night the house was dark and unsafe, it was a target for break-ins even before the girls moved in and how many times was it broken into while under police supervision? Seriously, the house was under police lock down and Meredith's bed was stolen!

 

[Nova]

RG is a liar. The motivations report says this about the excrement:

"A sample of feces and two pieces of toilet paper were taken from the toilet in the larger bathroom. The paper yielded the profile of Rudy Hermann Guede, both on total DNA testing and on testing for the Y chromosome alone. The feces gave no result either by DNA analysis or by Y chromosome analysis."

"Samples were taken from the toilet paper because this paper, used in wiping, is much likelier to contain epithelial cells, and they did indeed yield the genetic profile of Rudy Guede."

"Further biological traces of Rudy Guede were found on the toilet paper taken from the toilet of the larger bathroom. The faeces present in the toilet of that bathroom did not, however, yield any results, and Dr Stefanoni, the biologist of the Scientific Police, explained that the presence of numerous bacteria easily destroys what DNA might be found in faeces."

This could have very well been somebody else's excrement and RG just being helpful

Okay, I give up! There are no points of agreement, no allowances to be made for longtime or brand-new members. Let's all just go for each others' jugulars until Salem loses patience and the thread is locked for good.

That will certainly give me more free time...

 

[miley]

Here is a more accurate view of the house that night...
http://mirror-uk-rb1.gallery.hd.org...ght-sky-over-London-England-tweaked-2-DHD.jpg

 

[wasnt_me]

I meant to--and in a later post did--make a distinction between facts which are commonly known and claims which appear to have never been supported.

My point was not to argue that longtime posters should be allowed to make wild- claims without supporting them, only that some claims have been supported often enough to pass without further citation. That doesn't mean they must be believed, mind you, just that we all know the claims were made and it isn't necessary to track down which British tabloid, for example, claimed MK and AK quarreled over shared chores.

I said I wasn't going to say more on this, but I do have to say this. A person entering this discussion for the first time, without first going through the complete 10 threads, will have no way of knowing who is an oldtimer and who is not. I happen to know some oldtimer names because I did browse, and I do mean "Browse" the other threads. So a new person may not know what facts others have cited into common knowledge on here. This is the shortest thread right now. So if a newbie jumped in at this moment, they just wouldn't know it's been proved and accepted fact that RG craped in the toilet, for instance. They might not yet even know he did it at all. So I'm just saying. Keep that in mind for th newbies, that's all.

 

[wasnt_me]

I mentioned something ages ago about an inappropriate relationship between Amanda and a priest. I haven't yet found the link. Allusonz asked for it today, and since I couldn't find the one about the priest, I thought the one about the politician would amuse her.

It was definitely something...US politicans are just as bad, getting caught in the bathroom with their pants down. I don't know if they write books about it, though! :sick:

 

[miley]

"Fast-track trial
(snip)
The defendant is rewarded with a reduction on the sentence. The law states that this reduction is one third. If the crime was punishable by life imprisonment, the defendant will be sentenced to thirty years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Code_of_Criminal_Procedure

The defendant is rewarded with a reduction on the sentence. The law states that this reduction is one third. If the crime was punishable by life imprisonment, the defendant will be sentenced to thirty years.

 

[sherlockh]

Okay, I give up! There are no points of agreement, no allowances to be made for longtime or brand-new members. Let's all just go for each others' jugulars until Salem loses patience and the thread is locked for good.

That will certainly give me more free time...

I am sure Salem understands that that was just a joke

 

[miley]

Oh look ... Berlusconi is also choosing the fast track option ... and look at that ... it would also give him a one third reduction. He won't even have to apologize to get the one third reduction.

"Berlusconi now has 15 days to choose his next move: he can plead guilty and bargain for a reduced sentence; he can agree to a "quickie" [fast track] trial, which would be held behind closed doors and entitle him to a one-third reduction of his sentence if convicted; or he can settle for a full trial in public."

Berlusconi isn't being charged for murder.

 

[otto]

Here is a more accurate view of the house that night...
http://mirror-uk-rb1.gallery.hd.org...ght-sky-over-London-England-tweaked-2-DHD.jpg

That link goes somewhere weird ... almost worthy of running a virus scan after clicking on that.

 

[wasnt_me]

Right, and taking a ride on a train doesn't mean he had 300 euros from Meredith.

No, but if his bloody prints are on her empty wallet, we can make a reasonable assumption as to what happened to any money she had and missing credit cards. Guess he thought better of using those cards.

 

[otto]

The defendant is rewarded with a reduction on the sentence. The law states that this reduction is one third. If the crime was punishable by life imprisonment, the defendant will be sentenced to thirty years.

Hey, that's exactly what happened to Rudy. He was sentenced to 30 years, and under appeal it was reduced to 24 ... to match the sentences of the other culprits. Wow ... and then that 24 years was reduced by one third due to the laws of fast track trials ... 24 - 1/3(24) = 24 - 8 = 16.

 

[otto]

Berlusconi isn't being charged for murder.

The law is still the law. If he opts for the fast track trial, his final sentence will automatically be reduced by 1/3.

 

[wasnt_me]

Exactly - at night the house was dark and unsafe, it was a target for break-ins even before the girls moved in and how many times was it broken into while under police supervision? Seriously, the house was under police lock down and Meredith's bed was stolen!

Cite that! LOL

(Joking....:great

 

[otto]

No, but if his bloody prints are on her empty wallet, we can make a reasonable assumption as to what happened to any money she had and missing credit cards. Guess he thought better of using those cards.

Three murderers .. missing money ... can't draw any conclusions about what they did with the money.

 

[wasnt_me]

Here is a more accurate view of the house that night...
http://mirror-uk-rb1.gallery.hd.org...ght-sky-over-London-England-tweaked-2-DHD.jpg

I think you get the award for the day for that one. :floorlaugh:

 

[wasnt_me]

Hey, that's exactly what happened to Rudy. He was sentenced to 30 years, and under appeal it was reduced to 24 ... to match the sentences of the other culprits. Wow ... and then that 24 years was reduced by one third due to the laws of fast track trials ... 24 - 1/3(24) = 24 - 8 = 16.

By Otto, I think I get what you're saying.

Still it's not "To match the sentences of the other culprits." That was just the lawyer pointing out that the sentence nearly matched the other two. I don't believe the court was doing it on purpose to match it.

What Otto is saying is that after the appeal, the first sentence from the fast track was discarded.

That means the 30 years was overturned. No longer consider it. It might be true that 30 was the reduction from the life sentence in the FIRST trial. But the appeal has now overturned the sentencing from the first trial.

The new sentencing is 24 years.

Okay, so now, only think 24 years, because 30 years has been overturned.

then Otto says 1/3 of 24 years makes the new sentence 16 years, because they STILL used the fast-track rule on the new sentence.

See what I'm saying.

 

[wasnt_me]

The law is still the law. If he opts for the fast track trial, his final sentence will automatically be reduced by 1/3.

or 30 years like Rudy did, since the highest sentence is life. so their life expectancy is 90 years?

 

[miley]

You might be right. I don't remember off-hand. But do you really think he rifled through her purse and didn't take anything?

Oh, weird, when I quoted you I guess you'd just edited it to show your citation.... my question stands.

it had already been two weeks by the time they picked Rudy up in Germany and
don't forget Germany is 12 hours away - Rudy didn't walk, plus he had to eat/drink etc...

oh yeah, and he partied at the disco first.

(or were you being facetious)

 

[wasnt_me]

Three murderers .. missing money ... can't draw any conclusions about what they did with the money.

We can agree, however, just one murderer.

 

[wasnt_me]

Well,

as in the appeal of RS and AK, I think looking at some of the reason for RG's appeal will help us to know what might happen with theirs.

They reduced him for not holding the knife, but they are trying to stick that on AK.

That mean's it's imparative that her lawyers do all they can on that knife. I forgot the other reasons they reduced him. Shock and stress and returning to the country?

Maybe they'll consider that AK and RS did not run and reduce some upon that?

They didn't get life as in the first trial, so there had to be a reason for that. I think I read somewhere the sentence can go up in the appeal? that's not true, is it? tell me and you don't have to cite. LOL