Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #10

[wasnt_me]

it had already been two weeks by the time they picked Rudy up in Germany and
don't forget Germany is 12 hours away - Rudy didn't walk, plus he had to eat/drink etc...

oh yeah, and he partied at the disco first.

(or were you being facetious)

No, my understanding is that he went to the disco that night after the murder.

 

[miley]

That link goes somewhere weird ... almost worthy of running a virus scan after clicking on that.

it links to the mirror.uk gallery

ETA:
worthy of running a virus scan... lol (genuinely)

 

[miley]

Cite that! LOL

(Joking....:great

Meredith Kercher murder: Mattress of slain British student stolen from bedroom
The mattress on which British student Meredith Kercher slept has been stolen from the room in which she was murdered, The Sunday Telegraph has learned.

By Nick Pisa in Perugia

(snip)The break-in is the second in a month to the former home which Miss Kercher shared with Amanda Knox, one of two suspects on trial for her murder - now officially a crime scene.​

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...lain-British-student-stolen-from-bedroom.html

 

[wasnt_me]

It's so hot in my house. I want to open my window, but this case has me scared. I'm serious.

 

[miley]

No, my understanding is that he went to the disco that night after the murder.

Right, after the money was stolen. He went to the disco first, then to Germany.

 

[wasnt_me]

Meredith Kercher murder: Mattress of slain British student stolen from bedroom
The mattress on which British student Meredith Kercher slept has been stolen from the room in which she was murdered, The Sunday Telegraph has learned.

By Nick Pisa in Perugia

(snip)The break-in is the second in a month to the former home which Miss Kercher shared with Amanda Knox, one of two suspects on trial for her murder - now officially a crime scene.​

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...lain-British-student-stolen-from-bedroom.html

I was joking, but thanks. This will be a good read.

 

[wasnt_me]

I find this uncanny, how they describe RG's relationship to the residents of that cute little cottage:

The house at via della Pergola 7 was thus, for Rudy Guede, a friendly house, and so it must have appeared to him: it was inhabited by friends and girls with whom he could socialise, and in one of whom he was actually interested; in that house he could find easy hospitality, as shown by the fact that on one Sunday in the middle of October he went there to watch the Formula 1 races, and in that house he could spend a lot of time having fun (as shown by the episode recalled earlier in which, returning from a round of the pubs at around two in the morning, he went to the house and spent all night sleeping on the toilet), received by friends as a friend. Motivation, 42.

Sounds like the beginning of a horror movie, if you ask me. But I thought RG had been there uninvited for the races and that the boys found RG on their toilet, but he hadn't been invited to stay?

 

[flourish]

I am truly not sure what the point of this is. If RG thought the rent would be there on the first that would be one reason to breakin. Another would be the fact that his rent was due thus he needed money

To be fair, Allusonz, otto was answering a question I asked...the same one you answered, like, three posts down or so :giggle:

 

[otto]

it links to the mirror.uk gallery

ETA:
worthy of running a virus scan... lol (genuinely)

This is where it takes me ... gallery.hd.org/_c/natural-science/_more2000/_more10/stars-in-night-sky-over-London-England-tweaked-2-DHD.jpg

Night sky ???

 

[sherlockh]

The prosecution is appealing the sentence as well so they could be increased to life. I haven't read any documents about the prosecutions appeal though. Does anyone know if there is a document available on the prosecutions appeal?

 

[otto]

Well,

as in the appeal of RS and AK, I think looking at some of the reason for RG's appeal will help us to know what might happen with theirs.

They reduced him for not holding the knife, but they are trying to stick that on AK.

That mean's it's imparative that her lawyers do all they can on that knife. I forgot the other reasons they reduced him. Shock and stress and returning to the country?

Maybe they'll consider that AK and RS did not run and reduce some upon that?

They didn't get life as in the first trial, so there had to be a reason for that. I think I read somewhere the sentence can go up in the appeal? that's not true, is it? tell me and you don't have to cite. LOL

In Italy, like in many countries, the prosecution can also appeal the verdict. That's what happened in this case.

 

[wasnt_me]

I think double-jeopardy probably makes it less of an occurance in the usa.

Of course correct me, if I'm wrong.

I just read this:

Finally, in
44
the corridor leading to the exit from the house coming from Meredith's room were found prints from a shoe stained with the blood of the victim.

Motivation 44.

It appears they only had prints from ONE of rudy's shoes leading out of the house, which leaves the shoe on the other froot free to turn and do whatever in regards to locking MK's door.

 

[otto]

I think double-jeopardy probably makes it less of an occurance in the usa.

Of course correct me, if I'm wrong.

I just read this:

Finally, in
44
the corridor leading to the exit from the house coming from Meredith's room were found prints from a shoe stained with the blood of the victim.

Motivation 44.

It appears they only had prints from ONE of rudy's shoes leading out of the house, which leaves the shoe on the other froot free to turn and do whatever in regards to locking MK's door.

So, like he ran out with the bloody shoe, and hopped back in on one foot to do all sorts of other things in the cottage?

 

[wasnt_me]

Huh? I don't understand that question at all.

I am saying only one shoe stepped in blood. Since there's a right "Foot print" in the bathroom, and a left shoe print appears to be moving in a struggle pattern on MK's pillow case, I'm saying he must have lost a shoe in the struggle and got blood on his right foot at some point. That's the footprint on the bathroom rug. he cleaned that off his foot and put his right shoe back on, which would not have blood on the bottom of it, because it flew off in the struggle. Maybe he even had a bloody sock as a result. I don't know.

For me, that theory (guess) explains why there's just one shoe mark making 6 patterns on that pillow. It was a left shoe. Then it was a right foot print on the bathmat.

Now I don't know how he got the blood on the right foot. I don't know how he got to the bathroom with it on his foot. Have no idea. Just pointing out that one shoe, the left shoe was making blood prints in the murder room, one barefoot print, a right one, made a print in the bathroom. By the time he cleaned himself up, it's possible that the one shoe with blood on it walked out the door along side the other shoe, which had NO blood on the bottom.

I'm saying that if we can't see both shoe prints in blood, then we can't know for certain what position the right foot was in when he left the room.

These observations I'm making really don't have anything to do with AK and RS. Only RG.

Make what you want of my suppositions, but his right shoe apparently didn't track blood out of the house, if they conclusively identified his left shoe on the pillow case.

 

[sherlockh]

The prosecution is appealing the sentence as well so they could be increased to life. I haven't read any documents about the prosecutions appeal though. Does anyone know if there is a document available on the prosecutions appeal?

Ok, never mind. I found it. Strangely I couldn't find much in English media about the prosecutions appeal. I found a summary on the PMF forum. I don't want to copy somebody else's post so here is the link:
http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=271&p=55733#p55733
and I found the original in Italian here:
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/46831719/Appello-Mignini-Comodi

Basically they object the denial of aggravating circumstances and the list of general mitigation that were used to not give a life sentence, so the prosecution is now looking for a life sentence for both.

Personal opinions:
I think it is important to note that they were young and didn't have much of a criminal history. On the other hand, the guy did carry a knife around and both used drugs.

I do think the covering the body is a sign of remorse. I remember this from other cases. On the other hand, there is the staging and their conduct during police investigations.

Then I find the wounds very telling as IMO they don't indicate an intend to kill. On the other hand, the sexual assault is an aggravating circumstance.

It is also possible that the judges will come to some different conclusions based on RG's court documents that are now available.

In conclusion, I have no idea what this appeal will bring

 

[wasnt_me]

Motivations, page 60, I do not understand why they say in this paragraph that if the front door had been left wide open with no signs of forced entry, and there had been NO broken window, suspicision still would have fallen upon Amanda. Why is that?

A doubly unlikely hypothesis as has been said, and then it would only remain to single out another access, the broken window precisely, to avoid that explanations about how the murderer could have been able to enter the house without either forcing the front door and without the key, should be asked of her, even though she was a woman and suspicions would have necessarily started to concentrate on her and thus the decision was taken to put into effect the simulated action described.

You might have to read that whole page to help make sense of it, but I don't understand why they're saying an open door in the absence of the "faked" broken window would still cast doubt on AK. Help.

 

[sherlockh]

There was witness testimony that MK would not just let a stranger into the house, where with AK it was known that she had brought several guys into the house and therefore it would be more suspicious that she was the one letting in RG.

 

[wasnt_me]

Interesting,

Motivation, page 65 states that Amanda didn't even know LM and FR hadn't been at the cottage.

She told Raffaele what she had seen and he suggested that she call one of her friends. She then called Filomena Romanelli, who said that she had been out with her boyfriend and that Laura Mezzetti was also away, in Rome with her family. She then realised that the only one to have spent the night in Via della Pergola was Meredith, about whom, however, nothing was known.

I don't know how she didn't know what LM and FR were doing, but it goes to show that those girls didn't talk to AK or keep her informed.

Upon returning home, she opened the door to Filomena Romanelli’s room and saw that the window was open and completely broken: there was chaos, ‚but her computer was in its place on the desk.‛ Convinced that there had been a burglary, she went into the other rooms: Laura’s room was in order, and nothing was missing from her own room. However, Meredith’s door was closed. She began to knock and to call out, without receiving any answer.

FR's door was closed; however, that doesn't mean RG hadn't opened it and closed it.

AK didn't have a key to her own room:

She pointed out that she had the house key, but not also a key to her own room. Motivation 72-73

 

[otto]

Huh? I don't understand that question at all.

I am saying only one shoe stepped in blood. Since there's a right "Foot print" in the bathroom, and a left shoe print appears to be moving in a struggle pattern on MK's pillow case, I'm saying he must have lost a shoe in the struggle and got blood on his right foot at some point. That's the footprint on the bathroom rug. he cleaned that off his foot and put his right shoe back on, which would not have blood on the bottom of it, because it flew off in the struggle. Maybe he even had a bloody sock as a result. I don't know.

For me, that theory (guess) explains why there's just one shoe mark making 6 patterns on that pillow. It was a left shoe. Then it was a right foot print on the bathmat.

Now I don't know how he got the blood on the right foot. I don't know how he got to the bathroom with it on his foot. Have no idea. Just pointing out that one shoe, the left shoe was making blood prints in the murder room, one barefoot print, a right one, made a print in the bathroom. By the time he cleaned himself up, it's possible that the one shoe with blood on it walked out the door along side the other shoe, which had NO blood on the bottom.

I'm saying that if we can't see both shoe prints in blood, then we can't know for certain what position the right foot was in when he left the room.

These observations I'm making really don't have anything to do with AK and RS. Only RG.

Make what you want of my suppositions, but his right shoe apparently didn't track blood out of the house, if they conclusively identified his left shoe on the pillow case.

Interesting thought ... I don't think anyone has speculated that Rudy lost a shoe before ... at least not that I've read.

Only problem with the bath mat print is that it's too short and wide to be Rudy's print.

 

[wasnt_me]

This statement blows my mind, because my mother, to this DAY, calls me when the heck she wants to, even knowing that I am not awake. And if I don't answer, she will call 10 times. I get so mad at her because I'm trying to ignore the phone and go back to sleep!

In this regard, the call of 9:30 am from Raffaele's father appears significant, indicative of his knowledge of when his son was habitually awake, even though he was with a girlfriend, page 96