Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #11

[SMK]

I don't know, but from AK's retelling, it didn't even seem like she knew LM and FR wouldn't be there or that Laura had taken a trip.

Which lends to the fact that she isn't as close to her roommates as she claims or would like to be. OR that she was oblivious that they didn't like her, therefore, told her as little as possible. I say that because I read somewhere that AK had expected to move wherever LM and FR were moving after the crime. but then we hear all this about how the roomies didn't like her. Makes me think AK was unliked behind her back. Seriously. The one thing the other 3 had in common was that they were at least European, so all three could find AK's American quirks strange.

then I think I called Filomena, and she
explained to me that Laura was in Rome, and

Here it is retold from the Movtivation report. Notice there's no mention of AK closing the door when she entered the house, either. I put in blue the part where it seems AK has no idea that her roommates wouldn't be around.

Upon returning home, she noticed that the door was wide open. She thought someone had gone to take the trash out or gone to the floor below, closing the door behind them but not locking it. She asked loudly whether anyone was at home, but no one answered. The door to Meredith’s room was closed, and this meant she was sleeping. She undressed in her own room and took a shower in the bathroom, (the one) nearest to (both) her room and to Meredith’s. When she got out of the shower, she realised that on the little bath mat where she had placed her feet, there was blood and also, there were drops of blood on the sink and the faucet. She left the bathroom and went to get dressed in her own room. Then, she went in the other bathroom to dry her hair, where there was a blow dryer. It was at this time that she noticed feces in the toilet, which surprised her. She then took the mop and returned to Raffaele’s home, locking the door (on the way out.)
She told Raffaele what she had seen and he suggested that she call one of her friends. She then called Filomena Romanelli, who said that she had been out with her boyfriend and that Laura Mezzetti was also away, in Rome with her family. She then realised that the only one to have spent the night in Via della Pergola was Meredith, about whom, however, nothing was known. Filomena seemed worried, so Amanda
6 a statement or recollection made by someone who was there
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told her that she would call Meredith, who would then call her back.

Yes, you are right. You know, another thing about what you point out above, is that it totally discounts this idea that AK and RS knew MK would be the only one home, and planned the attack with Guede ( I was just reading this aspect about the Massei motivation). It is a major aspect of this theory of the 3 on 1 attack, that it was pre-planned, and contingent upon no one but MK being there that weekend. I also find it bizarre that it was supposedly to teach MK a lesson about the stolen money, drive her from Perugia, as if she would not simply report them to the authorities for such a "hazing". I guess no one knows the answer to my question last night about AK's blood in the bathroom supposedly pointing to a nose-bleed (which she is supposed to have gotten from being punched my Meredith!) This is being supposed still in April 2011 on a recent post at TJFMK.

 

[sherlockh]

If two suspects in a murder case do NOT present discrepancies in their memories of events, then in all probability they are giving you a story they carefully rehearsed.

The idea that innocent people remember every detail correctly and always tell the truth openly and consistently is a total myth.

If ILE chose to do so, I promise you they could go through transcripts of Filomena and her boyfriend and find just as many discrepancies and lapses in memory. We just don't hear about those because ILE chose to accuse AK and RS (perhaps sincerely believing they were guilty).

As for "constantly making excuses" for these two, let's keep in mind the prosecutor couldn't even decide on a theory of the case; the theories he tried were preposterous (whether it be sex games or killing your flatmate over chores); two of the three conspirators had never met; and the so-called "ringleader" didn't speak the same language as either of her accomplices.

A discrepancy over whether a door was open is petty stuff considering the prosecution's case comes down to a few pieces of glass and a conspiracy that must have been made using mime.

With all due respect to your promises but you have no idea. Filomena had a decent alibi which checked out just fine. Why in the world do you promise something you know nothing about? Sorry, but that makes no sense at all.

Of course the one discrepancy I mentioned is rather minor compared to others. They weren't convicted based on whether one said the door was open or not, but you already know that. Stick to the truth and all memory problems will be 'magically' solved

 

[SMK]

With all due respect to your promises but you have no idea. Filomena had a decent alibi which checked out just fine. Why in the world do you promise something you know nothing about? Sorry, but that makes no sense at all.

Of course the one discrepancy I mentioned is rather minor compared to others. They weren't convicted based on whether one said the door was open or not, but you already know that. Stick to the truth and all memory problems will be 'magically' solved

Well, I think Nova means that if questioned repeatedly about the finer details, there surely would be discrepancies. Also, sticking to the truth may magically clear up memory problems, until they accuse you of lying, and tell you they have "proof" you were there, etc.

 

[sherlockh]

Well, I think Nova means that if questioned repeatedly about the finer details, there surely would be discrepancies. Also, sticking to the truth may magically clear up memory problems, until they accuse you of lying, and tell you they have "proof" you were there, etc.

Or maybe Mignini told all the police to coerce the witnesses as well so they all fit into his grand scheme of blaming poor 'innocent' AK :crazy:

 

[SMK]

Or maybe Mignini told all the police to coerce the witnesses as well so they all fit into his grand scheme of blaming poor 'innocent' AK :crazy:

In seriousness, this would not be the first time Mignini orchestrated such. His reputation precedes him.

 

[claudicici]

I realize it's odd to find feces unflushed in a toilet. Even AK says she found it odd. But in a house full of young people upstairs and down, I'm sure there were frequent visitors. (We've even heard a rumor that MK thought AK had too many visitors.) So the idea that one of them was careless in the bathroom--or that a toilet was malfunctioning, which is what I would assume--isn't so unbelievable.

Likewise, the open door. It's apparent from AK's testimony that the flatmates sometimes left the door unlocked if they went out briefly. What was strange was that nobody returned while she showered.

But neither of these things seems really ominous if you don't know there's a dead body in the next room.

....not just the door and the poop,there's also a BLOODY footprint....sure,you're not going to assume the worst but the least I think ANYONE (unless there's a syndrome or some huge influence of drugs) would do is check with their roommates.

 

[claudicici]

With all due respect to your promises but you have no idea. Filomena had a decent alibi which checked out just fine. Why in the world do you promise something you know nothing about? Sorry, but that makes no sense at all.

Of course the one discrepancy I mentioned is rather minor compared to others. They weren't convicted based on whether one said the door was open or not, but you already know that. Stick to the truth and all memory problems will be 'magically' solved

....unless you truly don't remember....

 

[sherlockh]

In seriousness, this would not be the first time Mignini orchestrated such. His reputation precedes him.

I am more interested in his reputation in Italian courts then in some internet forums. No offense to websleuths. You are the best...lol...

 

[SMK]

I am more interested in his reputation in Italian courts then in some internet forums. No offense to websleuths. You are the best...lol...

Ummmmm? :waitasec:The Italian Courts indicted and CONVICTED Giuliano Mignini of illegal wire tapping, and abuse of office. 20 of his indictments, some against law officials and journalists, were thrown out. He was sentenced to 6 months in prison, which was suspended. How is that for a reputation in the courts?

 

[sherlockh]

....unless you truly don't remember....

Sure, there is always a chance of not remembering some little thing. I didn't mention the thing about the door because I thought it was so huge. That was simply the topic. The memory problems with their alibi are far more important IMO.

 

[sherlockh]

Ummmmm? :waitasec:The Italian Courts indicted and CONVICTED Giuliano Mignini of illegal wire tapping, and abuse of office. 20 of his indictments, some against law officials and journalists, were thrown out. He was sentenced to 6 months in prison, which was suspended. How is that for a reputation in the courts?

So he tapped AK's phone illegally? What is the connection? They left him in office so apparently he is in his right to continue his work as a prosecutor. On the internet he has been pretty much accused of being a Devils worshipper. It took me 5 minutes to read about the Monsters of Florence to see that the whole satanic cult thing wasn't even his idea. In this case, I am pretty sure any other prosecutor would have thought that for example RS's bloody footprint on the bathmat was pretty suspicious as well. That is just my opinion.

 

[SMK]

So he tapped AK's phone illegally? What is the connection? They left him in office so apparently he is in his right to continue his work as a prosecutor. On the internet he has been pretty much accused of being a Devils worshipper. It took me 5 minutes to read about the Monsters of Florence to see that the whole satanic cult thing wasn't even his idea. In this case, I am pretty sure any other prosecutor would have thought that for example RS's bloody footprint on the bathmat was pretty suspicious as well. That is just my opinion.

My point? Mignini has a reputation for doing illegal things in the Italian Courts.

 

[SMK]

and he was not accused of being a Devil worshipper--he was accused of accusing others of being Devil worshippers.:crazy:

ETA: I do not think he ought to have been allowed to stay in office, and they expressed this as well on ABC news.

 

[sherlockh]

and he was not accused of being a Devil worshipper--he was accused of accusing others of being Devil worshippers.:crazy:

ETA: I do not think he ought to have been allowed to stay in office, and they expressed this as well on ABC news.

I actually wish he was never assigned to this case. Would have saved us a lot of silly discussions IMO

 

[SMK]

I actually wish he was never assigned to this case. Would have saved us a lot of silly discussions IMO

I do not like the implication that what I am asserting is silly. It is serious to many, maybe just not to you.

ETA::razz: (trying to add a bit of humor of course.)

 

[sherlockh]

I do not like the implication that what I am asserting is silly. It is serious to many, maybe just not to you.

ETA::razz: (trying to add a bit of humor of course.)

Ha!..in that case, here is some homework for you A wiretap between RS, his father and stepmother. Where some posters claim AK never changed her story (and was only coerced once), RS's father is very clear about the number of changed versions she has given.

http://perugianotizie.blogspot.com/2008/07/raffaele-contro-amanda.html
http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=340&start=2000 (translation is on this page)

 

[dgfred]

Why the need to continuously make up these kind of excuses for these two? Two suspects in a murder case making contradictory statements (this isn't exactly the only time) is not suspicious? She didn't notice, he misremembered? Ok then :waitasec:

Thanks for this!
Seems to be a continuous theme of supporters for AK's being innocent.
Just doesn't work out in the end.

 

[SMK]

Ha!..in that case, here is some homework for you A wiretap between RS, his father and stepmother. Where some posters claim AK never changed her story (and was only coerced once), RS's father is very clear about the number of changed versions she has given.

http://perugianotizie.blogspot.com/2008/07/raffaele-contro-amanda.html
http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=340&start=2000 (translation is on this page)

Well, I had to do a Google translate and it is a mess. But the police certainly wanted to pit AK and RS against each other. Many cases where they make enemies of a pair, to try and tease out what they believe is the truth. Their original story, that they were together at RS's, would not be accepted.

 

[SMK]

Father: "He knows something ... notes ... particularly having regard to all the versions that has given you may not have given that right because she was worried that this character has managed to do something like that ... you know what I mean? ... But you do not got to do **** ... and they understood ... now this morning or Monday there will also be checking on the computer ... they have already cloned the hard drive .. "
Raffaele: "... my concern about the computer is basically that if I came ..."
Marisa: "hey ... there's a monster on your computer ... there is a monster ... "
Raffaele: "... Forget the fact the computer is that if I spent the most time with Amanda ... there all this time I spend with the computer ..."
Father: "If Amanda was at home ... but if it came out what the hell were you doing? ... You were on the computer." And again, later, the family would urge "thickens" the doubts about Amanda. "We can not understand - the father insists - that within three days when it was that went to the police station ... he gave four to five different versions ... has pulled back into the **** about a black boy is ... personality is strange girl eh? so do not ... do not. "
Raffaele interrupts him and says: "I rule out that since the first version that I have given ...". Stops, and the father continues: "... there is no question of excluding and not excluding ... we are skeptical ... but you know ... there might be too ... what do we know ourselves. Finally, the discussion focuses on the knife, with Raffaele says: "... but there they have a lot of knives at home ...".

So Amanda is the "he" here who gives the different versions. Well, they kept saying they would not believe she was with RS, they had proof, and suggested PL, yada, yada, yada.....

ETA: Who is the "monster" on the computer? We know Amanda changed versions and implicated PL, and to those of us who believe in her innocence, this is understandable RE interrogation. But RS sounds as though he just wants the hell out of this 6 day relationship. :floorlaugh:

 

[dgfred]

Father: "He knows something ... notes ... particularly having regard to all the versions that has given you may not have given that right because she was worried that this character has managed to do something like that ... you know what I mean? ... But you do not got to do **** ... and they understood ... now this morning or Monday there will also be checking on the computer ... they have already cloned the hard drive .. "
Raffaele: "... my concern about the computer is basically that if I came ..."
Marisa: "hey ... there's a monster on your computer ... there is a monster ... "
Raffaele: "... Forget the fact the computer is that if I spent the most time with Amanda ... there all this time I spend with the computer ..."
Father: "If Amanda was at home ... but if it came out what the hell were you doing? ... You were on the computer." And again, later, the family would urge "thickens" the doubts about Amanda. "We can not understand - the father insists - that within three days when it was that went to the police station ... he gave four to five different versions ... has pulled back into the **** about a black boy is ... personality is strange girl eh? so do not ... do not. "
Raffaele interrupts him and says: "I rule out that since the first version that I have given ...".

respectfully snipped

Why would RS say "since the FIRST version that I have given" if there were not others?

So we can see he was NOT on the computer, and he changed his story at least more than once.