Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #11

[Nova]

This is in the motivation statement, page 381.


the statements of Giampaolo Lombardo who testified that he had arrived at about 23,00 pm with the tow truck after a phone call received at about 22.30 pm, and had loaded the broken-down car and left again at about 23.15 pm: hearing of 27 March 2009).

So am I right in understanding that a broken-down car was outside the cottage from 10:30 to 11:15?

Because that means the break-in, scream, murder et al., had to be over before 10:30 (which is consistent with the phones being dumped by 10:15), or couldn't even begin until after 11:15. No wonder Mignini wants the TOD at 11:30! (But of course that TOD requires MK to "fiddle" with her phone and keep her jacket on inside (but not try her mother again) for more than 2 hours.)

I don't know how it works in Italy. But in the U.S., most tow-truck drivers have to keep a log, so their times estimates tend to be reliable.

 

[Allusonz]

Knew I had seen this could not remember where but I truly must thank Rose for the documents she has posted in English

ILE did not list this computer activity in the list it had given to the defense as it had accessed this particular file on the 6th of Novemeber. RS's defense have this in their appeal. I guess ILE FORGOT this again

This file was actually accessed not at 9:10pm but at 9:26pm according to his appeal

5. No mention of a media file att CALLS Opening Naruto
episode 101 "on Thursday, 1 November 2007 at 21:26.
Obviously, that method, if a file is not found during
initial selection (ie if three dates are not in the interest period), it
is excluded from the search results later restricted, even if he has a
the other two dates during the period of interest.
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Following further investigation made by defense counsel,
after the definition of first instance, using for the first
Once a system and built the same version as the one used by Raffaele
Dunning, ie Mac OS X 10.4.10 (Build 8R2232), it was possible to obtain
correct data display key information acquiring
importance for the decision.
Like to point out, in fact, that the judgment placed at 21:10:32
the last operation performed by Raffaele Sollecito in the day of 1
November 2007.
Indeed, searching with Spotlight in version 10.4.10 was
detected at least one file "Naruto ep 101.avi" which is not present in
advice of the police post, but whose date of last opening is Thursday
1 November 2007 at 21:26 (ie in the period examined by the police
Postal: 1st November 2007 18:00 - November 2, 2007 8:00 am).
The date of their last (Tuesday, 6 November 2007 at 10:18:38) and last
editing this file (Tuesday, 6 November 2007 at 13:28:09) corresponds to a
period coinciding with the removal of the laptop from the home of Raffaele
Dunning, during which activities are detected on that laptop
witnessed by the file system logs.
In light of the circumstances, it requires further investigation
computer Raffaele Sollecito to ascertain interactions
actually occurred on his computer, between 1 and 2 November 2007, under
Article. 603, first paragraph, cpp

 

[Nova]

BTW, I apologize if I seem to have a new discovery every three posts. The info wasn't_me is finding isn't new to me, but when I encountered it weeks or months ago, I didn't have a context in which to put the information. Now--though far from an expert--I have a better sense of the known timelines, geographical locations, etc.

 

[Allusonz]

Also re: AK's phones records. She was not taken in for interrogation at 11:30pm. I as well knew I had found this but it appears that AK was on the phone to Filomena when she had to get off the phone as "they wanted to talk to her".

Maybe she was talking and doing her yoga stretches at the same time

"Amanda's conversation to Filomena at about 10.30, which she ends by saying "Someone wants to talk to me"

 

[Nova]

Knew I had seen this could not remember where but I truly must thank Rose for the documents she has posted in English

ILE did not list this computer activity in the list it had given to the defense as it had accessed this particular file on the 6th of Novemeber. RS's defense have this in their appeal. I guess ILE FORGOT this again

This file was actually accessed not at 9:10pm but at 9:26pm according to his appeal

5. No mention of a media file att CALLS Opening Naruto
episode 101 "on Thursday, 1 November 2007 at 21:26....

Allusonz, I get lost in the rest of the computer discussion. Is it reasonable in your opinion to say that somebody was at RS' computer on 1 November, 2007 at 9:26 p.m.?

Do we know whether the computer keyboard was touched by human hands after the anime episode began? (I.e., where does the 9:46 time that we have discussed elsewhere come from?)

Or is it just that ILE so badly botched the entire computer investigation that somebody else needs to take a look at the drives?

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SIDE NOTE: I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT IN THE 21st CENTURY A MODERN COURT SPENT SO MUCH TIME TALKING ABOUT CARTWHEELS AND OTHER NONSENSE WHILE GLOSSING OVER IMPORTANT INFORMATION SUCH AS SEMEN DNA AND PRECISE TIMES OF COMPUTER USAGE BY THE DEFENDANTS!

 

[Allusonz]

Also, Arturo de Felice made an interesting statement which states that she "buckled". This was PLANNED

.” He explained:”Initially the American gave a version of events which we knew was not correct. “She buckled and made an admission of facts that we knew were correct and from that we were able to bring them in."

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...+in&cd=12&hl=en&ct=clnk&source=www.google.com

 

[Nova]

Also re: AK's phones records. She was not taken in for interrogation at 11:30pm. I as well knew I had found this but it appears that AK was on the phone to Filomena when she had to get off the phone as "they wanted to talk to her".

Maybe she was talking and doing her yoga stretches at the same time

"Amanda's conversation to Filomena at about 10.30, which she ends by saying "Someone wants to talk to me"

But I thought AK and RS were still having pizza at 10:30, no? I ask because that's what has been posted here countless times.

 

[Allusonz]

Allusonz, I get lost in the rest of the computer discussion. Is it reasonable in your opinion to say that somebody was at RS' computer on 1 November, 2007 at 9:26 p.m.?

Do we know whether the computer keyboard was touched by human hands after the anime episode began? (I.e., where does the 9:46 time that we have discussed elsewhere come from?)

Or is it just that ILE so badly botched the entire computer investigation that somebody else needs to take a look at the drives?

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SIDE NOTE: I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT IN THE 21st CENTURY A MODERN COURT SPENT SO MUCH TIME TALKING ABOUT CARTWHEELS AND OTHER NONSENSE WHILE GLOSSING OVER IMPORTANT INFORMATION SUCH AS SEMEN DNA AND PRECISE TIMES OF COMPUTER USAGE BY THE DEFENDANTS!

From what I can determine is this:

1. ILE purposely hid this interaction with the computer. We are not talking here just a mouse moving but the actual opening of a file

Yes, from everything I know they can determine if there was someone at the computer and this file was opened then closed again yes someone was at this computer. Even if they moved the mouse, woke up the computer they would be able to know. What is more interesting is that this particular cartoon site does an auto update

ETA: The prosecution did not put this activity on the list it was the defense that found this activity and the fact that the ILE had accessed this particular file on the 6th of November, otherwise no one would know

 

[Nova]

Also, Arturo de Felice made an interesting statement which states that she "buckled". This was PLANNED

.” He explained:”Initially the American gave a version of events which we knew was not correct. “She buckled and made an admission of facts that we knew were correct and from that we were able to bring them in.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...+in&cd=12&hl=en&ct=clnk&source=www.google.com

Absolutely. Of course it was planned. They had been treating her as a witness and then suddenly shifted gears and started accusing her, telling her they had undeniable proof that the break-in was staged to point suspicion away from her.

And, yes, she buckled. I wish she hadn't taken PL down with her, but that was probably the only answer ILE was going to accept.

 

[Nova]

From what I can determine is this:

1. ILE purposely hid this interaction with the computer. We are not talking here just a mouse moving but the actual opening of a file

Yes, from everything I know they can determine if there was someone at the computer and this file was opened then closed again yes someone was at this computer. Even if they moved the mouse, woke up the computer they would be able to know. What is more interesting is that this particular cartoon site does an auto update

Can you tell if the anime episode was manually closed after it ran? There have been claims here that RS' computer was simply allowed to run while he was out murdering a co-ed.

 

[Allusonz]

But I thought AK and RS were still having pizza at 10:30, no? I ask because that's what has been posted here countless times.

Not according to the phone records. She was speaking to Filomena at 10:30pm and told they needed to speak with her. I would put the latest she would of gone in at 11:00pm not 11:30pm or 12:00pm and the reason I do this is the information I have come across where they again asked her for the list of people whom had been in the cottage and this was done prior to her entering the interrogation room

 

[Allusonz]

Can you tell if the anime episode was manually closed after it ran? There have been claims here that RS' computer was simply allowed to run while he was out murdering a co-ed.

I really would have to look at that computer to be able to answer that with 100% surety in my mind as there is so much that is recorded with respect to various things. Even my IT guys would never answer that question unless they had examined it themselves. The fact that their experts are stating there was activity tells me much. What I dont know exactly is what activity they found

 

[Allusonz]

So am I right in understanding that a broken-down car was outside the cottage from 10:30 to 11:15?

Because that means the break-in, scream, murder et al., had to be over before 10:30 (which is consistent with the phones being dumped by 10:15), or couldn't even begin until after 11:15. No wonder Mignini wants the TOD at 11:30! (But of course that TOD requires MK to "fiddle" with her phone and keep her jacket on inside (but not try her mother again) for more than 2 hours.)

I don't know how it works in Italy. But in the U.S., most tow-truck drivers have to keep a log, so their times estimates tend to be reliable.

Yes there was a vehicle broken down. The person that was driving it testified at the trial stating they saw no one, they did not hear running footsteps or screams during the time they were there

 

[Allusonz]

BBM: I appreciate your concern. It's true, I almost had an aneurism over this, but I'm calmer now.

As I say in my post, I strongly suspect that ILE knows whence the semen came. But why conceal it? Unless it does belong to an unnamed person that ILE is protecting. But I don't normally jump to big conspiracy theories like that.

If it belongs to the boyfriend, why not just shrug and say so?

I know ILE has tested this. From what I gather there was no reason Vinci could determine as to why this could not be tested even if there was a bloody footprint in close proximity. I am sure they know either whom this semen stain belongs to or does not belong to. I can guarantee that if it was RS's it would of been presented in Court. Mignini would of been drooling...

 

[Allusonz]

BBM: I appreciate your concern. It's true, I almost had an aneurism over this, but I'm calmer now.

As I say in my post, I strongly suspect that ILE knows whence the semen came. But why conceal it? Unless it does belong to an unnamed person that ILE is protecting. But I don't normally jump to big conspiracy theories like that.

If it belongs to the boyfriend, why not just shrug and say so?

There is only one reason to conceal this. It hurt there case.

 

[Allusonz]

So am I right in understanding that a broken-down car was outside the cottage from 10:30 to 11:15?

Because that means the break-in, scream, murder et al., had to be over before 10:30 (which is consistent with the phones being dumped by 10:15), or couldn't even begin until after 11:15. No wonder Mignini wants the TOD at 11:30! (But of course that TOD requires MK to "fiddle" with her phone and keep her jacket on inside (but not try her mother again) for more than 2 hours.)

I don't know how it works in Italy. But in the U.S., most tow-truck drivers have to keep a log, so their times estimates tend to be reliable.

One thing many overlook is that there would of been a very small window for a scream as her vocal chords were damaged/cut during the attack. There is no way multiple screams would be heard

 

[Allusonz]

I wasn't relating the "dark car" to the hypothesis you are constructing.

I was just pointing out that if we believe that dark car to be RS', then that's one more thing AK and RS had to do in the very short window between 9:46, when they finished watching the anime, and 11, when the car was first seen.

At this point, I really don't think AK and RS had time to participate in the murder. I think they were at RS' apartment until at least 9:46 and MK was already dead by the time her phone pinged off the distant tower at 10:15.

Re: The dark car

Lets see here. It was basically journalists that found most of the witnesses for the screams/running. I have yet though heard of one investigative journalist that has put this as being RS's car

They cant be seen arguing in the square/basketball court and in a car there simply comes a point that something has to give.

Either that or next someone will be stating there were body doubles. Wait!!! Was that not Mignini's theory for the Florence case :giggle:

 

[Allusonz]

It seems that the only possibilities are:
1. AK, RS, and RG all had a part in killing MK - not believable to many, and evidence very weak for many
2. AK and RS had NO involvement in anything - equally not believable to many
3. AK and RS had minimal involvement, and from some reason have preferred to seem 100% innocent, even at the risk of conviction, rather than admit it.

I cannot think of a 4th , can anyone?

Yes I can. They were naive, railroaded, by a very sick prosecutor

 

[Allusonz]

You may be right, but my point wasn't that they had an hour to hang out at the cottage, it was that they only had 75 minutes at most to meet RG, decide to kill--or at least prank--MK, and rape and kill her AND also get the car and drive it to the cottage.

We had been discussing that AK and RS really didn't have time to commit the murder. Assuming the "dark car" was RS' only makes that short window of time even busier.

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The only reason I see drug use keeping someone from call the police would be if the penalty for drug use were so steep, the witness was too scared of LE. But we know the penalties for personal drug use in Italy are minimal; certainly not enough to inspire one to obstruct justice and tamper with evidence.

And they did this without RG having a cellphone hhhhhhhmmmmmmmm

 

[Allusonz]

I had heard that this is what it was and how it was used, but I've never seen one or looked into it deeply. earlier, whomever I was talking to about the poo said "bidet" when they meant to say "toilet," (I'm guessing) and that caused me to ask this question. I got confused as to what I'd heard it was for. We don't have them in the USA typically and it actually seems to be a waste of space in a tiny bathroom if you ask me. Just use a moistwipe, is all I'm saying.

Thanks for clearing it up.

That may of been me. There are various types but from the photos it appears they are separate meaning a toilet and a bidet. Sorry for the confusion