Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #11

[Allusonz]

I'm pretty sure Rudy's dna was found on her tampon - maybe fluid and cells?

The Court also alludes to it being semen as they state although not word for word that the stain could not be "dated" thus no need to test it

 

[Allusonz]

I do too - at the same time though, I can't get passed the 19 samples of genetic evidence found in Meredith's room that were never identified.

I have to agree Miley but I don't think we will ever truly know, especially after I have seen the videos of what they did with MK's stuff, collection methods, now the storage methods

 

[Allusonz]

This is the computer that they broke? Somehow the defense was able to rebuild it, you're saying? And in doing so, they found that the investigators had accessed this file--the same file RS must have accessed at 9:26pm.

Am I correct?

Then, was it a misprint that he opened the file at 9:10pm or was he opening something different at 9:10pm? I think that 9:46 time came from that perugiashock.com website. I'll have to go over there and revisit.

There were 4 computers, 2 of which belonged to RS, 1 of AK's and 1 of MK's

3 hard drives were fried, I dont know which computer of RS's they were able to extract the info from. I know that the defense wanted to send them to the manufacturer but this again was not allowed.

I think what many don't realize is that often, depending on the damage etc., that there are various methods to recover information lost.

According to his appeal they are stating that this file was opened at 9:26 not the 9:10 from the Motivational Report. Again the Motivational Report was selective in what information it used to back conclusions

 

[miley]

BTW, I apologize if I seem to have a new discovery every three posts. The info wasn't_me is finding isn't new to me, but when I encountered it weeks or months ago, I didn't have a context in which to put the information. Now--though far from an expert--I have a better sense of the known timelines, geographical locations, etc.

I know, it's amazing - there is so much information to digest, I'm just now (finally) starting to see a clearer picture...

 

[Allusonz]

Well if they are totally innocent, they also must have had the world's worst luck-standing up there (with a mop) when postal police arrive and the dead body is inside. I still don't buy the mop story. Who waits until the next day to mop up a spill? And then goes to borrow a mop from another house? If they truly did not have a mop at RS why not use a towel or something else to mop it up?

Whether you believe that they are innocent or guilty, there still has to be evidence against them beyond a reasonable doubt.

I am sure many have unanswered questions but it boils down to is there evidence beyond a reasonable doubt and I don't believe there is.

I think i have personally gone past the not guilty to the innocent but that is me. I was one of those that started out thinking they were guilty but either I could not find the evidence to support theories or their guilt or I simply have come across to much that support an ILE that did not look at anyone else. Right about now I think I have more questions regarding Filomena that I do them

 

[miley]

There were 4 computers, 2 of which belonged to RS, 1 of AK's and 1 of MK's

I always thought that the timestamps were overwritten because le surfed the internet and watched movies.

was anything ever found on Meredith's?

ETA: speaking of storage methods, i'm afraid the pillowcase will have been stored in such a way that it won't be able to be retested.

RE: Filomenia, please elaborate

 

[Allusonz]

I always thought that the timestamps were overwritten because le surfed the internet and watched movies.

was anything ever found on Meredith's?

I don't believe it was ever tested. At least I have not come across any information with respect to it being done

Computers record timestamps very different

For example if you accessed a file in 1950 at midnight that would be 1 second, if you access something at midnight on January 1, 1980 a computer counts in seconds till the next one so it could be 102,000 seconds. (this is just make believe as it would be much longer) IIRC and I am truly going on memory here those seconds are reset like every ummm 100 plus years

 

[Allusonz]

I always thought that the timestamps were overwritten because le surfed the internet and watched movies.

was anything ever found on Meredith's?

ETA: speaking of storage methods, i'm afraid the pillowcase will have been stored in such a way that it won't be able to be retested.

RE: Filomenia, please eleborate!

Some examples. It was Filomena that lifted up items on the floor in her room, FR and her boyfriend were the ones that took a walk around the cottage, FR testified to 3 different things regarding the closure of the shutters, FR was to leave for the weekend but instead stayed, FR told AK to phone MK she did not do it herself, FR had her boyfriends car but phoned him to go to the cottage instead of going there herself right away things like that

 

[sherlockh]

Here is Frank's take on why the defense didn't want the pillow stain tested:
http://perugia-shock.blogspot.com/2009/10/defensive-strategy-for-knox-and.html

Here is another article where RG's lawyer mentions the pillow stain.
http://perugia-shock.blogspot.com/2009/10/rudi-guede-keeps-his-position.html

Walter Biscotti expressed himself about the semen hypothesis, which recently emerged from silence: I've been waiting for one year for them to ask for the test but they didn't. Same thing with Raffaele, I wonder why he never gave evidence. It can't be sperm on the pillow. Not from that day, not from Rudi, who just touched Meredith. Let's remember that someone has been cleaning there, so it may be a mixture of water and something else.

Whether the stains are leftovers where AK+RS cleaned their fingerprints, or if it was Vaseline, or something RG had on his shoe, or ..... I have no idea, and don't understand the recent speculations on the topic which IMO have been very disrespectful towards the victim. I don't think these speculations were necessary at all. Especially since they are not based on any facts. JMO.

 

[SMK]

Yes I can. They were naive, railroaded, by a very sick prosecutor

I think you are right, and it is awful.

 

[SMK]

Here is Frank's take on why the defense didn't want the pillow stain tested:
http://perugia-shock.blogspot.com/2009/10/defensive-strategy-for-knox-and.html

Here is another article where RG's lawyer mentions the pillow stain.
http://perugia-shock.blogspot.com/2009/10/rudi-guede-keeps-his-position.html

Whether the stains are leftovers where AK+RS cleaned their fingerprints, or if it was Vaseline, or something RG had on his shoe, or ..... I have no idea, and don't understand the recent speculations on the topic which IMO have been very disrespectful towards the victim. I don't think these speculations were necessary at all. Especially since they are not based on any facts. JMO.

I am seriously wondering who you think was disrespectful to the victim??? Kind of a serious charge to make, and I absolutely have seen NO ONE who has been so???

 

[sherlockh]

I am seriously wondering who you think was disrespectful to the victim??? Kind of a serious charge to make, and I absolutely have seen NO ONE who has been so???

Any detailed speculation on rape scenarios, masturbation, sperm, necrophilia, tampons, menstruation, or whatever I find disrespectful to the victim. If you seen nothing then I guess you have a different opinion. Like I said JMO.

 

[SMK]

Any detailed speculation on rape scenarios, masturbation, sperm, necrophilia, tampons, menstruation, or whatever I find disrespectful to the victim. If you seen nothing then I guess you have a different opinion. Like I said JMO.

I think people are trying in earnest to "sleuth" out the truth, and facts are facts. There has been no blatant attempt to be disrespectful. If you think this has been voyeuristic speculating as you hint, I think you are very wrong. IMO.

 

[sherlockh]

I think people are trying in earnest to "sleuth" out the truth, and facts are facts. There has been no blatant attempt to be disrespectful. If you think this has been voyeuristic speculating as you hint, I think you are very wrong. IMO.

Wrong. There is no sperm unless you can proof it. You can't so it is not a fact. There is no indication of necrophilia whatsoever to which mr. Hendry refers. And there definitely was no tampon. Don't get me wrong. I am all for testing and I love speculating myself, but let at least use facts that really are facts and not just because someone on the internet said so. JMO.

 

[SMK]

Wrong. There is no sperm unless you can proof it. You can't so it is not a fact. There is no indication of necrophilia whatsoever to which mr. Hendry refers. And there definitely was no tampon. Don't get me wrong. I am all for testing and I love speculating myself, but let at least use facts that really are facts and not just because someone on the internet said so. JMO.

Okie.

 

[sherlockh]

Okie.

http://translate.google.com/#en|it|DNA swab :innocent:

 

[SMK]

http://translate.google.com/#en|it|DNA swab :innocent:

I see.....:waitasec:

 

[SMK]

And unfortunately so much on the internet confuses one:http://knoxarchives.blogspot.com/2009/10/semen-stains-found-on-merediths.html

 

[Malkmus]

Well if they are totally innocent, they also must have had the world's worst luck-standing up there (with a mop) when postal police arrive and the dead body is inside. I still don't buy the mop story. Who waits until the next day to mop up a spill? And then goes to borrow a mop from another house? If they truly did not have a mop at RS why not use a towel or something else to mop it up?

They werent standing outside with a mop. That was another false report perpetrated by the media early on and its had a hard time dying. Amanda had put away the mop in the closet when the pp arrived. People sometimes wait until the next day to clean messes, especially young college students who are too busy smoking pot and having sex. She didn't just go back to the cottage to get the mop, she also went to shower and get clothes for their trip that day.

 

[SMK]

They werent standing outside with a mop. That was another false report perpetrated by the media early on and its had a hard time dying. Amanda had put away the mop in the closet when the pp arrived. People sometimes wait until the next day to clean messes, especially young college students who are too busy smoking pot and having sex. She didn't just go back to the cottage to get the mop, she also went to shower and get clothes for their trip that day.

Yes, I think it is clear at this juncture that so much of the prosecution's case was based on half-truths and supposition, and it is a damned shame, as I believe it has now "stuck" and the convictions will not be overturned as they should be. Amanda ought never to have spoken to police without an attorney present, as they had it in for her, and the rest is history, as they say. . .