Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #12

[Allusonz]

I must have missed the list from Allusonz. If it was a copy of an opinion from someone that posts on some other forum, I probably skipped it. If I wanted to debate with someone on another forum, I'd be there, not here. If it was an opinion from Allusonz, I would be very interested in a link.

After accusing me of posting or altering a url and having to take up alot of JBean's time you don't remember the post? I find that incredulous

 

[Allusonz]

I believe Nietzsche when he says, "Distrust all in whom the instinct to judge and punish is strong".

Snipped and bolded for emphasis

Exactly

 

[SMK]

Would you excuse Anthony for murdering her child if it was demonstrated that she had a damaged childhood?

It's important to give the benefit of the doubt until all doubt is removed, then judgment is forthcoming.

Of course there must indeed be judgement and penalty, tempered with a big dose of compassion. It is not either or. You can be strict, sober, fastidious, exacting as the law demands - and still also seek to understand and perhaps to heal. I agree Karla Holmolka was a dreadful bore and I have zero sympathy for her. I would have thrown away the key in her case. Casey Anthony I believe to be damaged severely by a sick mother, so while she must pay for what she has done, I think the mother is even more culpable. Amanda, if she were guilty, I believe could be helped. Its just that I have lost belief beyond reasonable doubt in her guilt.

 

[otto]

Your picture of Amanda Knox is a figment of your imagination, based largely in trashy reports from the tabloid press (with a little help from Patrick Lumumba, whom we will agree is hardly unbiased).

You do not know her, no more than I do.

But calling someone "sick," "soul dead" and "obsessed with violence", yet "dull" strains credulity.

That's incorrect. In fact, my opinion of Knox, Sollecito and Guede is based solely on following the trials. Patrick knows Amanda, and stated that she is not evil, she simply has no soul. Dempsey added that to her book. You're not thinking that reading Dempsey means I'm influenced by tabloid press are you?

 

[Allusonz]

The prison short story was also published online, so anyone that read Amanda's Baby Brother story had no difficulty recognizing the convoluted writing style.

Do you have a cite that proves that Marie Pace is AK?

 

[otto]

I must agree here. No one on this site can state what she is like in real life

Is it okay to have an opinion of the criminals after following the 11 month long trial and pursuant legal manoeuvres?

 

[wasnt_me]

Thank you very much, otto. I've since heard some brief recordings of RG from Halloween. I can't tell whether his exaggerated pronunciation is a reflection of his knowledge of English or just his fooling around.

So I'm not sure what a "working knowledge" is. I have a working knowledge of Spanish in some subjects (often not very useful ones: I can discuss Cervantes, Lope and Calderon), but I don't know if I could negotiate a murder conspiracy with strangers... in a hurry... while stoned.

I'm really not sure why Otto told you that RG spoke workiing english according to Dempsey because he just stated that crime novels were trash and Dempsey's book was trash because she was hammering out a crime novel instead of adhering to facts. Since he said that, I'm not sure how he knows RG having a working knowledge of English is even true or not.

OTTO: Crime novels are meant to be read and thrown in the trash. They are poorly written and banged out, except the final chapter, before the verdict is read. Dempsey contradicts herself in her book, as do most crime novelists. I suspect that this is because she is banging out a crime novel rather than reporting facts and news. I prefer to think of journalism as reporting facts in the news.

 

[Allusonz]

I don't share your regard for Mignini, but I trust that you know more of him than I.

But we all know the old adage: "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely." Despite attempts at reform, the current Italian criminal justice system invests enormous power in judges and prosecutors: judges even get to sit on their own juries! I see few checks or balances, though perhaps I will feel differently when the appellate court rules.

But the ability of prosecutors to charge anyone who is critical of their work with slander makes them virtually impervious to domestic criticism.

Thank you for this post!!!

 

[otto]

After accusing me of posting or altering a url and having to take up alot of JBean's time you don't remember the post? I find that incredulous

Is that the same post? The text you copied was posted on more than one website with more than person claiming authorship. There were links to three different places. Sorry if I didn't want to read an opinion that cannot be sourced ... but that's just me.

 

[Allusonz]

and this is exactly why it's so important to get corroberation of your facts and circumstanial evidence before believing everything you read on the pro-guilt or pro-innocence side.

This cannot be stated enough especially in a digital age where everything happens pretty much in real time!!!

 

[Allusonz]

Is that the same post? The text you copied was posted on more than one website with more than person claiming authorship. There were links to three different places. Sorry if I didn't want to read an opinion that cannot be sourced ... but that's just me.

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[wasnt_me]

Sorry. I was kind of taking off from your point, not repeating something you wrote.

Thanks, I appreciate the clarification.

 

[Allusonz]

rubber massage room. don't forget the massage part.:crazy:

When it's ready, let me know. Seriously, you drew a blueprint? LOL:floorlaugh:

It is actually a powerpoint presentation and yes it has designer rubber rooms everything :giggle:

 

[otto]

Of course there must indeed be judgement and penalty, tempered with a big dose of compassion. It is not either or. You can be strict, sober, fastidious, exacting as the law demands - and still also seek to understand and perhaps to heal. I agree Karla Holmolka was a dreadful bore and I have zero sympathy for her. I would have thrown away the key in her case. Casey Anthony I believe to be damaged severely by a sick mother, so while she must pay for what she has done, I think the mother is even more culpable. Amanda, if she were guilty, I believe could be helped. Its just that I have lost belief beyond reasonable doubt in her guilt.

Amanda is in the best place to get help. The rehabilitation opportunities in Italian prisons will help her tremendously. We've already seen a change in her. She no longer treats Meredith's murder trial as a joke - big improvement! She is encouraged to find God, to write, dance, study, work ... everything she needs to be rehabilitated so that she can function within the laws of society. I have faith in the system. The jury (not the two prosecutors) was able to conclude, after 11 months of trial (far different than what is done in the US), that Amanda and Raffaele were guilty. Rudy was found guilty by a judge alone, but that judge recognized that Rudy could not have acted alone. How can so many people that saw and heard the complete evidence be wrong? Isn't that what is generally assumed with trials in the US ... even though what we've heard implies not guilty, we blindly accept that what we didn't hear was compelling? Why not in this case as well? What we didn't hear must have been sufficient for the jury to conclude a guilty verdict.

 

[otto]

Do you have a cite that proves that Marie Pace is AK?

We're talking about something that was on the net a couple of years ago. I'm not going to search for it, but feel free.

 

[wasnt_me]

After accusing me of posting or altering a url and having to take up alot of JBean's time you don't remember the post? I find that incredulous

LOL. I thought I was in the twilight zone but just assumed it was a different post they were referring to. Now I see it WAS that post. And that wasn't from a layman's forum, that was a recounting from the Great Frank himself!

 

[Allusonz]

We're talking about something that was on the net a couple of years ago. I'm not going to search for it, but feel free.

If you are stating that Marie Pace is AK there should easily be a cite for it

 

[Allusonz]

Is that the same post? The text you copied was posted on more than one website with more than person claiming authorship. There were links to three different places. Sorry if I didn't want to read an opinion that cannot be sourced ... but that's just me.

For copyright issues I will break this up in 2 posts

1. Amanda Knox: Charged with defamation of the police for claiming she was hit on the back of her head during her illegal interrogation. The wrongful conviction wasn't enough for Mignini.

4. The West Seattle Herald: Mignini filed defamation charges in this case because Herald reporter Steve Shay quoted other people saying Mignini was "mentally unstable". Mignini actually filed a lawsuit against a newspaper in Seattle Washington because they hurt his feelings. Read more here.

5. Joe Cottonwood - www.joecottonwood.com. Take a look at Joe's Website. Joe is a fiction writer. Joe doesn't even like Amanda Knox. He was simply voicing his opinion about the case. Why was Mignini threatened by him?


http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/Mignini.html

 

[Allusonz]

11. Francesca Bene, an Italian reporter, said Knox had, in her opinion, advanced her cause by making clear what police had not previously conceded , that Knox thought she was being a helpful witness when in fact police were targeting her as a suspect and should have told her so. Mignini didn't like hearing the truth from Bene.

12. Gabriella Carlizzi: Carlizzi is a psychic. Mignini has charged Carlizzi with defamation multiple times. Doug Preston says that Mignini used Carlizzi as a witness in the Monster of Florence Case

Please note it does not have RS's family or Frank's listed

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/Mignini.html

 

[wasnt_me]

That's incorrect. In fact, my opinion of Knox, Sollecito and Guede is based solely on following the trials. Patrick knows Amanda, and stated that she is not evil, she simply has no soul. Dempsey added that to her book. You're not thinking that reading Dempsey means I'm influenced by tabloid press are you?

I think you stated that you adopted this opinion. If you did, you adopted it (I'd have to go back and find your exact words if you disagree), then you state yourself that you did so from a man who was not only angry with AK, but who also sued her over the same incident he was discussing when he said she wasn't evil. He was saying that in regard to her implicating him. He was not saying that in regard to her over all life, and though he most definitely knows her better than us, he cannot really KNOW AK, whom he only met, what a month prior to that statement that he made while entangled in weeks of legal trouble that was her fault.

And to prove that PL was indeed angry, I'd have to cite his interview with Frank, where frank is astonished that PL seemed far removed from the happy man he'd been before the implication. Frank even cited with what anger PL pounded on the table while discussing AK.

So I advise taking his assessments of her under the advisement that he has a reason to think she has no soul, since he blamed her and sought damages for what she'd done.