Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #12

[Allusonz]

I did watch it. It gave an overall view of the case with nothing of surprise really that we have not already discussed. I would of liked to of seen more of the interview with Mignini as I believe much of that interview was edited heavily as it was simply an hour program. Mignini did not come across well in MO and believe there was probably some good stuff left on the editing room floor. Probably the one interesting part that stuck in my mind was Mignini coming up to him and asking if he felt he was lying (gather this was with respect to the witness)

ETA Dr. Greg Hampikian came across well

 

[SMK]

The CNN report is downloadable at this link:

http://www.truejustice.org/ee/videos/pe ... Report.avi

Guess this link is not working, must try again as I also missed the report. I used the link and was able to get the download but it will not play on my Windows Media player.

Can only get this :
http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/28/%E2%80%98murder-abroad-the-amanda-knox-story%E2%80%99-%E2%80%93-cnn%E2%80%99s-drew-griffin-reports/

and got this transcript of the show which aired last night on CNN from PMF forum:

[. . . ]Prosecutor Giuliano Mignini's investigation would also end in failure. His case against journalist Mario Spezzi was completely thrown out, and his theory of a satanic cult and massive cover-up in the monster case was being ridiculed by other Italian justices.

And Mignini's tactics, including the wiretapping of offices, became part of a new case. Mignini himself was accused, convicted, and sentenced to a 16-month suspended sentence for abusing his office.

Mignini, who is appealing the conviction, explained to us it's nothing.

MIGNINI (Through Translator): I have seen this many times. When they say convicted of abuse of office, it does not mean abuse of power. Abuse of office is a minor crime in Italy. I mean, it wasn't corruption, just to be clear.

GRIFFITH: But for this proud judicial official of Perugia, the public humiliation was humbling. It was during this very time when Giuliano Mignini was facing embarrassing charges of abusing his office he arrived at the crime scene of Meredith Kercher's murder. His investigation into Kercher's death would not wait for the forensic evidence to be processed. He already had his suspicions.

Within days he announced the horrific crime was solved.

GRIFFITH (on camera): Dr. Mignini, is it possible that a prosecutor who was facing his own troubles perhaps rushed to judgment to solve a sensational crime?

MIGNINI (Through Translator): I did not take any opportunity because that day I just happened to be on duty. A tour of duty of a week. So I did not take an opportunity.

GRIFFITH (voice-over): The morning after our interview with Giuliano Mignini, the prosecutor spots our camera, walks towards me, and off- camera asks what I thought of the interview the night before. If I thought he was being truthful.

Clearly, Mignini is now concerned. His case against Amanda Knox appears to be falling apart.

The tabloid press, still enamored with "Foxy Knoxy," is beginning to tell a different story. Amanda and Raffaele have appealed their conviction. The appeal trial is now underway, and a new judge and new jury have been seated.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1105/08/cp.01.html

 

[OldSteve]

Try going to opening page:
http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php

From there you can open the video...

 

[JBean]

I did watch it. It gave an overall view of the case with nothing of surprise really that we have not already discussed. I would of liked to of seen more of the interview with Mignini as I believe much of that interview was edited heavily as it was simply an hour program. Mignini did not come across well in MO and believe there was probably some good stuff left on the editing room floor. Probably the one interesting part that stuck in my mind was Mignini coming up to him and asking if he felt he was lying (gather this was with respect to the witness)

ETA Dr. Greg Hampikian came across well

Mignini looked pretty bad, no doubt about it.

 

[SMK]

Try going to opening page:
http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php

From there you can open the video...

Thanks, Steve!

 

[dgfred]

Mignini looked pretty bad, no doubt about it.

Since Mignini was interviewed by somebody else (that spoke Italian) and the answers were cherry-picked with additional comments by Preston... there was no other outcome IMO.

Maybe one of the crowd should do a 'real' interview answering the hard questions regarding the case... instead of using and talking about their own points of view (not the courts).

 

[miley]

Nobody seems to spend much time or attention on the fact that RG's skin cells (IIRC) were found inside MK's vagina. Is this because the subject area is an uncomfortable one? Is it because the number of skin cells was small? Is it because we can't trust ILE to actually do DNA tests? Is it because ILE didn't do necessary tests such as testing the apparent semen stain on the pillow?

I'm just wondering because this discovery--if true--seems to indicate that something happened in addition to a robbery being interrupted. Something that has to be included in the "lone wolf robbery interrupted" scenario.

I realize RG has claimed there was consensual sex, but I don't think any of us believes that.

...seems to indicate that something happened in addition to a robbery being interrupted. Something that has to be included in the "lone wolf robbery interrupted" scenario" that's interesting.. like what though, do you have something in mind?

 

[dgfred]

anyone watch cnn report?

The blog 'Savive's Corner' has a report on it :innocent: .

 

[miley]

Since Mignini was interviewed by somebody else (that spoke Italian) and the answers were cherry-picked with additional comments by Preston... there was no other outcome IMO.

didn't CNN use three different interpreters just so Mignini's answers wouldn't be misconstrued in any way?
Drew Griffin asks Mignini how long he questioned Preston (i'm paraphrasing)

(griffin) long did you question Preston?
(mignini) 20 minutes
(griffin) preston said it was two hrs...
(mignini) it was 20 mins. maybe 30... maybe an hour.. that's not the point, the point is they are two separate cases, unrelated.​

what was cherry-picked about that - it was very direct

Maybe one of the crowd should do a 'real' interview answering the hard questions regarding the case... instead of using and talking about their own points of view (not the courts).

i don't understand what you mean by this.

 

[dgfred]

Mignini was interviewed by someone else and his answers were cherry picked from them... why would there need to be 3 interpreters?

Why compare the case with the MOF case anyway?

Why not mention the other evidence against AK and RS?

Why not mention that AK WAS INTERROGATED BY THE POLICE WHEN SHE NAMED PATRICK AS THE KILLER... Mignini was brought in later. This show was very misleading IMO.

What I meant was:

Get an interviewer that knows the case and ask the tough questions... and answer them. Not more of this pick and choose of the evidence and not mentioning other relevant parts of the case.

 

[SMK]

Mignini was interviewed by someone else and his answers were cherry picked from them... why would there need to be 3 interpreters?

Why compare the case with the MOF case anyway?

Why not mention the other evidence against AK and RS?

Why not mention that AK WAS INTERROGATED BY THE POLICE WHEN SHE NAMED PATRICK AS THE KILLER... Mignini was brought in later. This show was very misleading IMO.

What I meant was:

Get an interviewer that knows the case and ask the tough questions... and answer them. Not more of this pick and choose of the evidence and not mentioning other relevant parts of the case.

That is exactly what I have always felt those who believe AK and RS are guilty do: Pick and choose, highlight and focus on what will support their own thesis. It is a tendency on both sides. I think Mignini himself detracted from the persona he might have presented. I think the case is compared to the Monster of Florence because it is indicative of how greatly Mignini relies on intuition to guide him. The role of intuition in police work should not be underestimated, and it is at the core of much FBI work. Psychoanalysts such as Horney and Reich emphasized intuition as a kind of genius. For all we know, Mignini has picked up on something actual, real traits and fantasies which have made him go in the direction that he has. It is the lack of evidence that has made a mess of this. There is a sense in which I have deep sympathy for him. I just do not want AK and RS to stand convicted if it was their fantasy-depths, and not their real actions, that Mignini was grasping.

 

[Nova]

I watched it. It was well done and clearly supportive of her innocence.

Agreed. VERY critical of Mignini; the most critical I've seen.

 

[Nova]

Since Mignini was interviewed by somebody else (that spoke Italian) and the answers were cherry-picked with additional comments by Preston... there was no other outcome IMO.

Maybe one of the crowd should do a 'real' interview answering the hard questions regarding the case... instead of using and talking about their own points of view (not the courts).

I agree with you that the program had a point of view, and that p.o.v. was evidenced in the questions asked of Mignini.

But as for editing, they included things such as Mignini scoffing at suggestions that his own views affected how the case was conducted ("I didn't pick the case; I just happened to be on duty that week"). One might conclude Mignini was defensive based on the content of his answers, but they didn't go out of their way to make him appear defense.

So maybe something on the cutting room floor would give us a very different impression, but I doubt it.

 

[Nova]

...seems to indicate that something happened in addition to a robbery being interrupted. Something that has to be included in the "lone wolf robbery interrupted" scenario" that's interesting.. like what though, do you have something in mind?

I wasn't being cagey; I honestly don't know. As I said above, I know it happens, but I don't really understand the process whereby subduing a burglary victim escalates to rape. To me, struggling with a terrified victim is about the least sexy situation I can imagine. (ETA: I see I worded the foregoing very badly. I realize rape is primarily about power not sex, but it is dominance expressed in sexual form. I have trouble wrapping my mind around that leap to sexualizing power.)

And then we have the method of penetration. I guess we don't know whether there was penile penetration that didn't culminate in ejaculation, or whether the penetration was always digital.

But unless that happened after death (which is in and of itself a creepy addition to the case), then RG must have been somehow subduing MK while he raped her. (I know, I know: Mignini thinks AK and RS held MK down, but there is no forensic evidence of that.) And how was MK kept quiet during this?

And then, of course, we have the stain on the pillow that ILE refuses to test...

None of the existing evidence supports the sex orgy gone wrong theory; but on the other hand, I'm not sure what the existing evidence DOES support in terms of the sexual assault.

 

[Malkmus]

The blog 'Savive's Corner' has a report on it :innocent: .

If i have time after work ill address his points. But for now ill say they're seriously flawed. The fact that he cites anonymous posters from other forums doesn't lend him much credibility. Sorry, but reading "The Machine says" makes it hard to take seriously.

 

[dgfred]

Really? It amazes me that some of you who know sooo much about the case would think that 'report' was accurate, well made, or fair and balanced.

It was a POV fluff piece IMO.

 

[dgfred]

If i have time after work ill address his points. But for now ill say they're seriously flawed. The fact that he cites anonymous posters from other forums doesn't lend him much credibility. Sorry, but reading "The Machine says" makes it hard to take seriously.

Interesting you to find flaws in that blog piece... but see no problems with the CNN 'Preston show'.

I wonder if this 'show' was intended to be right before the knife evidence was presented at the appeal... oops, those dang extensions. Kind of PRee isn't it?

 

[Nova]

Mignini was interviewed by someone else and his answers were cherry picked from them... why would there need to be 3 interpreters?

Why compare the case with the MOF case anyway?

Why not mention the other evidence against AK and RS?

Why not mention that AK WAS INTERROGATED BY THE POLICE WHEN SHE NAMED PATRICK AS THE KILLER... Mignini was brought in later. This show was very misleading IMO.


What I meant was:

Get an interviewer that knows the case and ask the tough questions... and answer them. Not more of this pick and choose of the evidence and not mentioning other relevant parts of the case.

BBM: Actually, Mignini said exactly that and it was interpreted precisely.

The program focused on those areas that seem to be most at issue in the appellate phase. That makes sense to me.

Just because the program didn't spend yet more air time on nonsense about cartwheels and flatmate feuding doesn't mean it omitted important evidence. The problem all along has been that there is very little evidence against AK and RS. That hasn't changed.

 

[Nova]

Really? It amazes me that some of you who know sooo much about the case would think that 'report' was accurate, well made, or fair and balanced.

It was a POV fluff piece IMO.

"Fluff" piece? Because it spent a quarter of its time dealing with DNA and the impact of interrogation techniques?

What would "serious" be? Another discussion of who stuck out her tongue and wiggles her hips?

I agree that it had a p.o.v. But that does mean that p.o.v. was arbitrary or unfair.

 

[Nova]

Interesting you to find flaws in that blog piece... but see no problems with the CNN 'Preston show'.

I wonder if this 'show' was intended to be right before the knife evidence was presented at the appeal... oops, those dang extensions. Kind of PRee isn't it?

If the world were the place of the grand conspiracies you envision, there was nothing stopping CNN from changing its schedule.