Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #12

[wasnt_me]

As Malkmus (I believe) points out above, Mignini's dealing with the homeless heroin addict who testified against AK would be enough to tip the balance in Frank's favor.)

Yes, and since he's been a professional witnesses in three murder trials, it is safe to say the two are associates. Additionally if RG is also a druggie and was an informant, it also applies because the prosecutor is also a crime investigator.

But I still don't know for a fact what Frank said, if it had to do with drugs or what.

 

[otto]

I'm sorry to be blunt, my friend, but you seem to lose your reason when it comes to Knox. Obviously, she was a gifted linguist (particularly by the language-impaired standards of Americans), and she graduated with honors from an exclusive prep school. She worked multiple jobs to save up to study abroad. She is "ordinary" only in your heavily biased view of her.

And, frankly, Otto, without the knife or the bra clasp, there is NO evidence that RS was involved in the murder of MK.

The evidence against AK consists of little more than a statement (coerced or no) that is otherwise false in every way. And somebody's recollection of glass fragments that may have been on top of something, BUT no photos to my knowledge of what was underneath the tossed clothing. I've certainly seen no expert discussion of glass shattering except from Hendry.

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I'll grant you "forget everything you know" was rather melodramatic, but the program assumed the viewer wasn't you or even I, but somebody who had heard little to nothing about the case since the original flurry of overheated publicity. That's what the program was advising the viewer to forget.

Only honors? Not IB? IB is remarkable, honors is almost common. What student isn't working multiple jobs? If she was carrying a full course load (5, not 3, subjects), working two jobs, paying a mortgage, pregnant and living on her own I might be slightly impressed, but serving coffee and taking some classes ... sorry, not impressed. What languages does Knox speak that she didn't have to learn. Clearly she has had to learn Italian. She already knows English. Have we heard how the Japanese and German are coming along, or was that more propaganda?

 

[Malkmus]

And ... is this something that Doug Preston is behind?

No, and there are several other writers/journalists mentioned.

 

[Nova]

Yes, and since he's been a professional witnesses in three murder trials, it is safe to say the two are associates. Additionally if RG is also a druggie and was an informant, it also applies because the prosecutor is also a crime investigator.

But I still don't know for a fact what Frank said, if it had to do with drugs or what.

Well, we have otto's link that says "ties to drug dealers" or the like. Whether it's true, who knows? Maybe when Perugia Shock is fully up at the new site we'll get more info.

But I don't count on it. It seems that in Italy, if Frank says ANYTHING critical about the charges against him, then Mignini will be able to call that "slander" and charge Frank again.

 

[wasnt_me]

I'll grant you "forget everything you know" was rather melodramatic, but the program assumed the viewer wasn't you or even I, but somebody who had heard little to nothing about the case since the original flurry of overheated publicity. That's what the program was advising the viewer to forget.

Yes, or they should have said "everything you guilters THINK you know..."

Because again, there is so much false info out there about the case, namely people still think AK and MK's blood was mixed in the house, for example.

 

[otto]

Perhaps. I don't know. But you claimed that Frank was unable to verify in Court the statements challenged by Mignini. I don't see any mention of when Frank would have had the chance.

In Italy it appears to be a case of "yank the site down first" and we'll talk about it later. At least that's how it's done when the justice system is embarrassed.

Looks pretty corrupt from this side of the pond.

I didn't say anything about what Frank was able to verify in court. I have no idea about it except that the a court in Florence has shut Frank down because he published statements alleging that an Italian prosecutor has drug ties.

Perhaps Frank was asked to remove the information and post a correction and he refused ... only alternative is court action. I can't see anything corrupt in taking action against someone publishing slanderous or untrue comments that would damage someone's reputation.

 

[otto]

No, and there are several other writers/journalists mentioned.

Preston is mentioned throughout the letter, suggesting that he was in contact with this group and provided them with a lot of complaints.

 

[wasnt_me]

Well, we have otto's link that says "ties to drug dealers" or the like. Whether it's true, who knows? Maybe when Perugia Shock is fully up at the new site we'll get more info.

But I don't count on it. It seems that in Italy, if Frank says ANYTHING critical about the charges against him, then Mignini will be able to call that "slander" and charge Frank again.

I really can't take stock in that 100 to 250 word article with one and only one vague mention of the issue. I need some facts and corroberation. You know me. :rocker:

 

[Allusonz]

You do realize that Mignini did not convict Amanda, Raffaele and Rudy. Those convictions were handed down by a jury. There were two prosecutors involved in the trial of Amanda and Raffaele, and Mignini was only half of the team. Why so much venom for Mignini?

Additional lawsuits have been brought against Dr Sollecito for attempting to influence the trial process, against Amanda for falsely accusing an innocent man of murder, against Amanda for falsely accusing police of beating statements out of her, against Amanda's parents for making false statements against Italian police in British media, and now against Frank for publishing false statements about the prosecutor.

If people would stop lying, or attempting to influence the judicial process, none of these lawsuits would exist. I've read claims about how "free speech" doesn't exist in Italy, and this is why these lawsuits exist. Is it really okay in the US to publicly accuse specific individiuals in public office, police and prosecutors, of things that are not true?

It's my opinion that too many people perceive Perugia as some backwards little medieval town, and the thinking is that the laws in Italy don't have to be respected. I think this same attitude had something to do with Amanda's troubles as well. Is there any reason why the general consensus, from what appears to be US based opinion, is that it's okay to violate the laws of Italy rather than respect them?

Are you trying to tell me that this prosecutor brought charges against someone he felt was innocent? Yes there were 2 prosecutors. ’ Deputy prosecutor Manuela Comodi brushed off the request for all forensic documentation and added: ‘They have everything they need. That is enough.’” Ms. Comodi’s words imply that the defense did not receive everything, just what the prosecution claims is enough

Lets take a look at the lawsuits against principles in this matter brought by Mignini which include Dr. Sollecito and Perugia Shock:

1. Amanda Knox: Charged with defamation of the police for claiming she was hit on the back of her head during her illegal interrogation. The wrongful conviction wasn't enough for Mignini.

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4. The West Seattle Herald: Mignini filed defamation charges in this case because Herald reporter Steve Shay quoted other people saying Mignini was "mentally unstable". Mignini actually filed a lawsuit against a newspaper in Seattle Washington because they hurt his feelings. Read more here.

5. Joe Cottonwood - www.joecottonwood.com. Take a look at Joe's Website. Joe is a fiction writer. Joe doesn't even like Amanda Knox. He was simply voicing his opinion about the case. Why was Mignini threatened by him?

Here is Joe's quote that won him the honors of a Magnini lawsuit: "The Meredith Kercher murder is one of those mirrors that reflects the prejudices of whoever is looking into it. There is no physical evidence and no credible motive, and yet an egotistical prosecutor is blaming Amanda Knox anyway. In the USA, this would only happen if she were black. Perhaps partying American college kids are so hated in Italy that Amanda will be treated as blacks are treated in the USA, and she will be convicted not because of the evidence but because of general resentment of shallow rich Americans. Personally, from what I've read I don't like Amanda Knox. She sounds spoiled, naive, and shallow. But that's not a crime. I loathe the prosecutor, who has a counterpart in every city in the USA - a preening, intellectually dishonest bully who cares more about making newspaper headlines than in serving justice. It's the same all over the world. Power and prejudice are the enemies of justice."

6. Luciano Ghirga, an attorney for Amanda Knox.

7. Luca Maori, an attorney for Raffaele Sollecito

8. Giangavino Sulas, journalist for Oggi magazine

9. The director and editor of Oggi magazine

10. Mario Spezi: Italian journalist who co-wrote The Monster of Florence with journalist and author Doug Preston. Mignini continues to torment Spezi for simply disagreeing with him.

11. Francesca Bene, an Italian reporter, said Knox had, in her opinion, advanced her cause by making clear what police had not previously conceded , that Knox thought she was being a helpful witness when in fact police were targeting her as a suspect and should have told her so. Mignini didn't like hearing the truth from Bene.

12. Gabriella Carlizzi: Carlizzi is a psychic. Mignini has charged Carlizzi with defamation multiple times. Doug Preston says that Mignini used Carlizzi as a witness in the Monster of Florence Case.

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/Mignini.html

Whom is really attempting to influence the Judicial process? These people certainly are not. Who does it leave? The answer is the one person that has brought all these charges. Add in the Monster of Florence and there is a pattern here.

Lets talk about lies. I have seen many written let me list a few:

THE LAST FAMOUS WORDS
&#8216;They called the 112 after the postal police arrived&#8217;
&#8216;We surprised them while doing laundry&#8217;
&#8216;There was glass on the clothes&#8217;
&#8216;Amanda thrown her sweatshirt&#8217;
&#8216;There&#8217;s a bleach receipt&#8217;
&#8216;There was a strong bleach smell&#8217;
&#8216;Raffaele brought his bloody shirt to the laundry&#8217;
&#8216;The shoe-print is Raffaele&#8217;s&#8217;

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Aj__K80c51KUJ%3Aperugia-shock.blogspot.com%2F+frank+sfarzo&cd=2&hl=it&ct=clnk&gl=it&source=www.google.it%2C

 

[otto]

Well, we have otto's link that says "ties to drug dealers" or the like. Whether it's true, who knows? Maybe when Perugia Shock is fully up at the new site we'll get more info.

But I don't count on it. It seems that in Italy, if Frank says ANYTHING critical about the charges against him, then Mignini will be able to call that "slander" and charge Frank again.

Do you think that Frank is going to start posting again given the legal troubles he's facing? I would think that only a fool would do something that dumb.

 

[Allusonz]

So you're thinking that even though Frank is now involved in a court case for making false statements against the prosecutor, that it would be wise for him to circumvent the court order because he can?

Last I looked even the law in Italy is Innocent till proven GUILTY

 

[Nova]

Only honors? Not IB? IB is remarkable, honors is almost common. What student isn't working multiple jobs? If she was carrying a full course load (5, not 3, subjects), working two jobs, paying a mortgage, pregnant and living on her own I might be slightly impressed, but serving coffee and taking some classes ... sorry, not impressed. What languages does Knox speak that she didn't have to learn. Clearly she has had to learn Italian. She already knows English. Have we heard how the Japanese and German are coming along, or was that more propaganda?

Well, she was reading Harry Potter in German, so it appears she had some facility with at least written German. Unless you live here, I think it's hard to imagine how little weight is given to languages other than English. Universities have been lowering their language requirements (both for admission and for graduation) for years. Even languages spoken on this continent (French and Spanish) aren't required beyond the most cursory knowledge.

AK's interest in languages alone makes her unusual in this country.

I assume IB is International Baccalaureate, yes? (I've probably misspelled that because it isn't common here in the States.) In all the years I taught at a reasonably prestigious university, I had one student who had done IB and only because she went through the Lycee system abroad.

No, most American college students who take a year abroad don't work multiple jobs to finance the entire trip themselves. They may save up some of the money, but depend on their parents for much of the rest of the cost. AK was not from the same social class as most "year abroad" American students.

Look, the point is not that AK was a rocket scientist, but calling her "ordinary" just weakens your own arguments by revealing a highly emotional bias.

 

[Nova]

I didn't say anything about what Frank was able to verify in court. I have no idea about it except that the a court in Florence has shut Frank down because he published statements alleging that an Italian prosecutor has drug ties.

Perhaps Frank was asked to remove the information and post a correction and he refused ... only alternative is court action. I can't see anything corrupt in taking action against someone publishing slanderous or untrue comments that would damage someone's reputation.

What's corrupt is one agent of the judicial system taking preemptive action to protect another agent of the judicial system. Kind of "old boys' club", don't you think?

 

[Allusonz]

Beware all a google translate

Meredith: Google closes the pro-blog Amanda, "Perugia shock" after the lawsuit Mignini

One of the many blogs around the fortunes of the murder case of Meredith Kercher, Perugia shock, was overshadowed by Google. La notizia è stata diffusa dal Committee to Protect Journalists , o CPJ, organismo di tutela della libertà di espressione negli Usa. The news was reported by the Committee to Protect Journalists , or CPJ, an organization to protect freedom of expression in the United States. Il blog, uno dei più feroci contro il sistema giudiziario italiano per la condanna ad Amanda Knox, era gestito dal blogger Frank Sfarzo, querelato per diffamazione dal pm Giuliano Mignini a causa dei contenuti. The blog, one of the fiercest against the Italian justice system for sentencing of Amanda Knox, was managed by blogger Frank glitz, sued for defamation by prosecutor Giuliano Mignini because of the contents

http://translate.google.com/transla...dopo-la-querela-di-mignini/40658.html&act=url

 

[Nova]

Do you think that Frank is going to start posting again given the legal troubles he's facing? I would think that only a fool would do something that dumb.

I have no idea, otto, but thank you for so precisely stating the problem with Italian law: it has a chilling and silencing effect on journalists.

 

[Malkmus]

Preston is mentioned throughout the letter, suggesting that he was in contact with this group and provided them with a lot of complaints.

Are you surprised that the people who have been harassed by Mignini might have contacted the CPJ? They interviewed all the "plaintiffs". It seems as though they all had contact with the organization. What exactly is your opinion regarding Preston? That he tells them what to do and they do it? That the organization has no integrity? Sfarzo seems to be the centerpiece of the complaint if you ask me.

 

[Allusonz]

Well, she was reading Harry Potter in German, so it appears she had some facility with at least written German. Unless you live here, I think it's hard to imagine how little weight is given to languages other than English. Universities have been lowering their language requirements (both for admission and for graduation) for years. Even languages spoken on this continent (French and Spanish) aren't required beyond the most cursory knowledge.

AK's interest in languages alone makes her unusual in this country.

I assume IB is International Baccalaureate, yes? (I've probably misspelled that because it isn't common here in the States.) In all the years I taught at a reasonably prestigious university, I had one student who had done IB and only because she went through the Lycee system abroad.

No, most American college students who take a year abroad don't work multiple jobs to finance the entire trip themselves. They may save up some of the money, but depend on their parents for much of the rest of the cost. AK was not from the same social class as most "year abroad" American students.

Look, the point is not that AK was a rocket scientist, but calling her "ordinary" just weakens your own arguments by revealing a highly emotional bias.

Speaking of the German Harry Potter book much was made of it being found in the cottage when on tape ILE video taped it in RS's apartment. There were 2 copies of it I guess they did not figure that out and AK was not lying

 

[otto]

Well, she was reading Harry Potter in German, so it appears she had some facility with at least written German. Unless you live here, I think it's hard to imagine how little weight is given to languages other than English. Universities have been lowering their language requirements (both for admission and for graduation) for years. Even languages spoken on this continent (French and Spanish) aren't required beyond the most cursory knowledge.

AK's interest in languages alone makes her unusual in this country.

I assume IB is International Baccalaureate, yes? (I've probably misspelled that because it isn't common here in the States.) In all the years I taught at a reasonably prestigious university, I had one student who had done IB and only because she went through the Lycee system abroad.

No, most American college students who take a year abroad don't work multiple jobs to finance the entire trip themselves. They may save up some of the money, but depend on their parents for much of the rest of the cost. AK was not from the same social class as most "year abroad" American students.

Look, the point is not that AK was a rocket scientist, but calling her "ordinary" just weakens your own arguments by revealing a highly emotional bias.

Amanda's parents contributed to the cost for her summer vacation and one semester study abroad. If the story has changed into Knox saving all the money, then the story has indeed changed in the last 4 years.

Calling Knox dull says nothing about me. Knox is dull ... and odd. She sings too loud at inappropriate times in inappropriate places. Her "art" is childish. Her "short stories" are violent and disorganized. She lies in very shocking ways with serious consequences to others. She is crass and swears like a prisoner. Sure she saved some money to travel. Good for her.

 

[otto]

I have no idea, otto, but thank you for so precisely stating the problem with Italian law: it has a chilling and silencing effect on journalists.

Is the new standard for journalists to publish slander?

 

[Allusonz]

Amanda's parents contributed to the cost for her summer vacation and one semester study abroad. If the story has changed into Knox saving all the money, then the story has indeed changed in the last 4 years.

Calling Knox dull says nothing about me. Knox is dull ... and odd. She sings too loud at inappropriate times in inappropriate places. Her "art" is childish. Her "short stories" are violent and disorganized. She lies is very shocking ways with serious consequences to others. She is crass and swears like a prisoner. Sure she saved some money to travel. Good for her.

You keep forgetting to calculate the 10k that she still had saved which she did not take with her to Italy. It still does not mean that with 4k in the bank in Perugia that she was "desperate" for money