It's funny how a phone call like that can be construed to be ambiguous and suspicious by saying it was made before the body was discovered and that it was 3 in the morning for her mother. The phone call was made at 12:47, just three minutes before Rafaelle would call his sister asking her for advice and she then told him to call the police. So basically Amanda had returned to the cottage with Rafaelle, seen the broken window and blood, called their relatives and then immediately called the police. But of course, we can make this suspicious by simply reducing it to "nothing had happened yet" as if there was no reason to call her mom, but as usual we then have to ignore the context of the other calls immediately afterward.
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It's funny how a phone call like that can be construed to be ambiguous and suspicious by saying it was made before the body was discovered and that it was 3 in the morning for her mother. The phone call was made at 12:47, just three minutes before Rafaelle would call his sister asking her for advice and she then told him to call the police. So basically Amanda had returned to the cottage with Rafaelle, seen the broken window and blood, called their relatives and then immediately called the police. But of course, we can make this suspicious by simply reducing it to "nothing had happened yet" as if there was no reason to call her mom, but as usual we then have to ignore the context of the other calls immediately afterward.
Right, and I think Amanda was at that age, and away from home for the first time, where you do call your mother at every little thing. I know I used to. And this was a big thing.
Of course, some like to attach weight to Mignini's claim by noting that Amanda doesn't remember that one phone call. What that proves is beyond me, and them - as no one has been able to say what, except that it's suspicious. Of course it's entirely reasonable to assume that in a day where a million things happened, and several phone calls were made, that Amanda probably just remembers both phone calls as one since they were an hour apart.
Otto, what difference does it make whether the defense speaks on behalf of the analysis Hampikian has made or whether Hampikian speaks directly to the court himself about it. Either way his analysis gets heard. Looking into this matter some more, it seems also that the only expert testimony he wishes to hear on the DNA is from the independent ones. So that may be the case too. I have seen nothing indicating what your believe, however, which is that he isn't qualified to testify.
Yes?:waitasec: I really do not know whether or not they do. Only that I recall him saying something to the effect of due to his being at an American university, or some such, he could not be called to testify, but the defense are factoring in his analysis. Maybe because he is with "The Innocence Project", although he rightly asserts that he work can put people IN prison, too. What is the confusion about him, tho?
@ Otto:How could a professor of genetics, and a DNA expert , NOT be qualified?
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What exactly is the reason that this socalled expert did not testify during trial? Is the reason that Italy does not allow foreign experts, or is the reason that he was not qualified as an expert? In what way was his opinion included in court testimony during trial? What part of the appeal decision stated that his opinion would be included during appeal?
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You tell me why he would be deemed "unqualified":
Greg Hampikian, PhD: Forensic DNA
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contact: [email protected] or call 208-781-0438
Dr. Greg Hampikian is a nationally known DNA expert and professor of forensic biology. He has held research and teaching positions at: Yale University Medical School, Emory University, The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), Georgia Tech, La Trobe University in Melbourne, Australia; and the University of Connecticut. He is currently Professor of Biology with a joint appointment in Criminal Justice at Boise State University.
Dr. Hampikian consults on court cases throughout the United States, and has published in leading scientific journals including Nature, and the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. Dr. Hampikian has also led workshops and given presentations across America and overseas at institutions such as Harvard University, The University of Georgia Law School, The University of Connecticut Advanced Genetics Technology Center, The Pasteur Institute in Paris, the Medical Research Council in Edinburgh, Scotland; and St. Mary’s Hospital in London.
A very popular speaker, Dr. Hampikian is a frequent keynote speaker at national conferences, and also offers outreach programs for teachers, schools, and civic organizations. He has been interviewed by leading news organizations such Good Morning America, Fox News, CNN, and the Wall Street Journal.
Dr. Hampikian's book, Exit to Freedom, written with Calvin Johnson Jr., describes Mr. Johnson's 17-year struggle to gain his freedom. DNA evidence freed Mr. Johnson’s, proving that he did not commit the rape for which he was given a life sentence. Dr. Hampikian has worked on several exonerations, and serves as the DNA expert for the Georgia Innocence Project, and is Director of the Idaho Innocence Project.http://www.crimescience.com/
You tell me why he would be deemed "unqualified":
Greg Hampikian, PhD: Forensic DNA
For consultations, seminars,
or professional development
contact: [email protected] or call 208-781-0438
Dr. Greg Hampikian is a nationally known DNA expert and professor of forensic biology. He has held research and teaching positions at: Yale University Medical School, Emory University, The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), Georgia Tech, La Trobe University in Melbourne, Australia; and the University of Connecticut. He is currently Professor of Biology with a joint appointment in Criminal Justice at Boise State University.
Dr. Hampikian consults on court cases throughout the United States, and has published in leading scientific journals including Nature, and the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. Dr. Hampikian has also led workshops and given presentations across America and overseas at institutions such as Harvard University, The University of Georgia Law School, The University of Connecticut Advanced Genetics Technology Center, The Pasteur Institute in Paris, the Medical Research Council in Edinburgh, Scotland; and St. Mary’s Hospital in London.
A very popular speaker, Dr. Hampikian is a frequent keynote speaker at national conferences, and also offers outreach programs for teachers, schools, and civic organizations. He has been interviewed by leading news organizations such Good Morning America, Fox News, CNN, and the Wall Street Journal.
Dr. Hampikian's book, Exit to Freedom, written with Calvin Johnson Jr., describes Mr. Johnson's 17-year struggle to gain his freedom. DNA evidence freed Mr. Johnson’s, proving that he did not commit the rape for which he was given a life sentence. Dr. Hampikian has worked on several exonerations, and serves as the DNA expert for the Georgia Innocence Project, and is Director of the Idaho Innocence Project.http://www.crimescience.com/
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OK, Yale University, Harvard University, FOX news, Wall Street Journal; Institutes in Scotland and Paris, etc., etc. all consider this man an expert. What is your beef? He reviewed the Knox case and said he was "appalled". He is DNA consultant to the defense.
OK, Yale University, Harvard University, FOX news, Wall Street Journal; Institutes in Scotland and Paris, etc., etc. all consider this man an expert. What is your beef? He reviewed the Knox case and said he was "appalled". He is DNA consultant to the defense.
SMK has read that it has to do with his nationality and I have read that it may have to do with Hellman only wanting the independent experts to testify. You on the other hand have read nothing saying he isn't qualified, yet are sticking to your pet theory, despite Hampikian's credentials being readily available and demonstrating that not only is he a qualified expert, but that he has been responsible for freeing other people from wrongful imprisonment in other cases. If he were deemed unqualified it would only show bias on the part of Hellman, and he has thus far proven to be anything but.
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Where is it published that the Italian court has qualified this guy as an expert?
Where is it publishes that he is not? You're the one making an unsubstantiated claim, therefore the burden of proof is on you. I couldn't just say Mignini is a baby-killer, then demand proof from you that he didn't kill any babies.
And why are you ignoring the bio SMK posted?
Go to the link I provided with that big spiel, and see his bio as DNA forensic international expert. :maddening:
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What do you mean "where is it published that he is not" ... it seems to be unpublished everywhere.
It has been said here that he has been qualified by the Italian courts as an expert. Are we simply taking him at his word? If it's true, surely there is some document from Italy stipulating that he has been qualified as an expert ... that sort of thing has to happen in a courtroom.
It is so. It is online. It has his contact and phone. It states his professional activities. It is a BIO.
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