Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #14

[otto]

It's called "Behind the Headlines: Amanda Knox".

There is NO evidence linking them to the crime. Where is their DNA? Rudy's DNA is in the room, but Amanda and Raffaele's are not. Why would Raffaele call the police if they murdered someone and were trying to get away with it? The fact that the knife found in Raffaele's kitchen is not a match is a huge red flag. It's too big to have caused Meredith's wounds. Also, the supposed DNA on the knife was all used up? Another red flag. They mentioned Amanda's DNA was found mixed with Meredith's. Well duh. They lived together. That only makes sense.

How do you come to the conclusion that Raffaele's DNA was not found in Meredith's bedroom?

 

[wasnt_me]

Yes, Palmetto, I can do nothing but agree with that.

For me, MK's cell phone records nail her DOT. And according to what evidence they were able to salvage from RS's destroyed computers, he and and AK were at his house at that 926pm. I think her incomplete call to her parents at 856pm and the weird calls happening on her cell phone around 10pm gives us a reasonable window for the murder.

RG doesn't deny being there during that time. He even offered that as around the time he arrived. You can't believe everything he says, by no means, but you have to wonder how he came up with saying he arrived at 8:38pm, IF he is lying.

If he wants the police to buy his story, I'd think he'd tell them the true time, but that's just MO. If he's admitted to being there, what purpose does it serve to lie about the time?

Next, I do not believe that's the right murder weapon either. And the prosecutions stories about it make no sense.

1. AK carried it around for protection. RS had about a ton of other smaller knifes that she could use that were not as dangerous for her to wield. A knife collector like RS would probably choose a smaller knife from his own collection or just buy her a knife. No need to whip out the kitchen knife and say "Hey, carry this for protection."

2. the bruise on MK's neck indicates that the handle slammed into MK's neck. Couldn't have happened with a knife that big and caused the same wound pattern.

3. If it was a crime of passion, not premeditated, then I can't believe that knife did it, because a knife that belonged to Rafe being taken to AK's that night denotes premeditation. For a crime of passion, there were plenty of knives in the cottage to do the job, and with Rafe's own personal knife on his person, there is no need for Rafe's kitchen knife to be brought to the cottage for a spur of the moment murder.

4. I do not believe in the "second" knife either. Because MK has defensive wounds on her hand, that proves that the left hand was free and moving. If it was not, then how did she get defensive wounds on it? (I think it was the left hand.) How is her hand free to get defensive wounds if three people are holding her down?

5. I do not buy the prosecution's untested method of testing the knife in a lab that wasn't even approved for the type of test they did.

I might have other problems with this knife but I'm getting too sleepy.fftobed:fftobed:

 

[PalmettoGirl]

How do you come to the conclusion that Raffaele's DNA was not found in Meredith's bedroom?

I believe the DNA found on the bra clasp was from cross contamination. So while it may have been found in the room, it isn't because he was in the actual room. JMO

 

[otto]

I believe the DNA found on the bra clasp was from cross contamination. So while it may have been found in the room, it isn't because he was in the actual room. JMO

I think that we can take any case and choose to believe that the evidence is not valid, but that doesn't really have anything to do with the validity of the verdict. The verdict was based on evidence, and there is no evidence of contamination ... therefore no reason to believe contamination occurred.

For example, we can look at the Anthony case and choose to believe that duct tape just happened to get caught in the hair because it was in that location when the body was put there ... but why would we choose to believe that when the evidence suggests otherwise?

 

[dgfred]

I said that TL was developed off RF's testimony. and I know nothing about a few seconds phone call.

Please show the picture of the mop outside and I'll believe it. Just wondering why the other dried up, crusty mop was being gift wrapped and taken into the murder room for, then.

PMF has several in the gallery section.

 

[dgfred]

I believe the DNA found on the bra clasp was from cross contamination. So while it may have been found in the room, it isn't because he was in the actual room. JMO

From where and how?

What about his bare footprint on the bathroom mat?

There are also luminol bare footprints in the hallway attributed to him.

The entire cottage was the crime scene.

What about his lie of an 'excuse' for Meredith's dna on the knife being from 'cooking' with her?

What about his false alibi of being on the computer that evening?

Why did he not testify at trial? Just wondering not that it means he is guilty.

 

[Nova]

Now, I want to know what kinds of questions the police were asking the shop owner about RS and what had led them to the shop owner's doorstep, because the shop owner had no "evidence" for them until 2009. So why did the go to the shop owner?

This is BS:

Consequently, the fact of not telling Inspector Volturno about seeing Amanda on the morning of November 2 and the fact of having come forward only after having been convinced by Antioco Fois about the possible significance of this event, do not reduce the reliability of the witness, since these facts do not affect the genuineness of the memory.

If Q saw AK, was questioned about RS's receipts some time after Nov 5th, then saw AK and RS in the paper together in a sex murder on the night of Nov 1st, how in the hell can Q think seeing AK in the morning of Nov 2nd attempting to buy bleach is no significant to tell the police? You can't tell me that a grocery store owner didnt look at a newspaper between the murder and his questioning by the police. And even if there could happen, after he was questioned, and then made the connection between RS and AK, he had a duty to come forth while it was still November 07.

So I do not buy his story for one stinking moment.

I should think not. The motivation report reads like "Who's on First?"

They asked him about RS but neglected to ask him about AK so he didn't mention her?! Aw, come on!

 

[Nova]

I think that we can take any case and choose to believe that the evidence is not valid, but that doesn't really have anything to do with the validity of the verdict. The verdict was based on evidence, and there is no evidence of contamination ... therefore no reason to believe contamination occurred.

For example, we can look at the Anthony case and choose to believe that duct tape just happened to get caught in the hair because it was in that location when the body was put there ... but why would we choose to believe that when the evidence suggests otherwise?

Right. That's the same thing as believing there was contamination on a bra clasp that was passed around ON NATIONAL TELEVISION!

 

[Lola]

Right. That's the same thing as believing there was contamination on a bra clasp that was passed around ON NATIONAL TELEVISION!

Where are you getting this information?

 

[SMK]

What makes you think the dryer was not warm?

They said later that the washer was not warm, and that the clothes had been put in the night before, by Meredith. Originally, Filomina was hinting that Knox had put clothes in as part of the clean up.

 

[otto]

They said later that the washer was not warm, and that the clothes had been put in the night before, by Meredith. Originally, Filomina was hinting that Knox had put clothes in as part of the clean up.

Filomina said that she thought the washer was warm to the touch when she came home. Are you saying that police? (they?) said that it was not warm to the touch when Filomina came home, or did Filomina say that she believed she was mistaken?

 

[SMK]

Filomina said that she thought the washer was warm to the touch when she came home. Are you saying that police? (they?) said that it was not warm to the touch when Filomina came home, or did Filomina say that she believed she was mistaken?

Unfortunately, I cannot recall. I only know that I was very impressed with this fact at first (I believed it was an attempt at clean up, the old "police come in and find clothes running in the washer to remove blood" which I have seen in other murder cases where police walk in on a clean up). I was disappointed when it turned out not to be true, as it was another hole in the "evidence" in my mind. Let me see if I can find anything, it was quite some time ago.....

ETA:Right, I am only coming up with articles that say Filomina testified the washer was still warm. I had read somewhere this was not true. OK, if true: Did ILE test for blood in the water, DNA, etc. ? Do they believe Knox put the clothes in?

OK, here is IIP forum where they insist Meredith had put a load of clothes in the night before:http://www.injusticeinperugiaforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=85&t=747&start=100&view=print

Another few points about TOD being right after Meredith arrived home at 9pm. Her jacket was found in such a manner suggesting it was being worn when attacked then was pulled off and one arm was inside out. We should look at the DNA on it. ***Also, Meredith put a load of clothing into the washing machine when she left earlier in the day. The damp clothes were never removed to be hung up for drying.*** The timeline of being attacked at 11:30pm would mean she was home 2.5 hours and yet still had her jacket on and hadn't removed wet clothing to dry overnight yet. And the witnesses with the broken down car saw no lights on, heard no noises, saw no one enter or leave and the gate already opened between 10:30 pm and 11:35/40pm.

 

[SMK]

Where are you getting this information?

There was an Italian video, posted here on another thread----wish I could locate it.

 

[PalmettoGirl]

There was an Italian video, posted here on another thread----wish I could locate it.

I'm sure the video is on the internet somewhere as well. It can probably be googled or found on youtube.

 

[SMK]

As per the letter to Obama, Congress, and getting the State Department involved: All I have been reading - on forums both pro and anti Knox innocence - leads me to believe that my feelings that this is a dead end, and a bad idea, and problematic, and will not lead to any desired result, were correct.

 

[otto]

Unfortunately, I cannot recall. I only know that I was very impressed with this fact at first (I believed it was an attempt at clean up, the old "police come in and find clothes running in the washer to remove blood" which I have seen in other murder cases where police walk in on a clean up). I was disappointed when it turned out not to be true, as it was another hole in the "evidence" in my mind. Let me see if I can find anything, it was quite some time ago.....

ETA:Right, I am only coming up with articles that say Filomina testified the washer was still warm. I had read somewhere this was not true. OK, if true: Did ILE test for blood in the water, DNA, etc. ? Do they believe Knox put the clothes in?

OK, here is IIP forum where they insist Meredith had put a load of clothes in the night before:http://www.injusticeinperugiaforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=85&t=747&start=100&view=print

Another few points about TOD being right after Meredith arrived home at 9pm. Her jacket was found in such a manner suggesting it was being worn when attacked then was pulled off and one arm was inside out. We should look at the DNA on it. ***Also, Meredith put a load of clothing into the washing machine when she left earlier in the day. The damp clothes were never removed to be hung up for drying.*** The timeline of being attacked at 11:30pm would mean she was home 2.5 hours and yet still had her jacket on and hadn't removed wet clothing to dry overnight yet. And the witnesses with the broken down car saw no lights on, heard no noises, saw no one enter or leave and the gate already opened between 10:30 pm and 11:35/40pm.

Regarding Filomina, and her reliability as a witness, she testified that the washer felt warm when she came home. I don't think anyone has testified that this is not true, so how can it be said that this was not true?

Regarding time of death, we can speculate all we want, but there is absolutely nothing that narrows the time down further than between 9 PM, when she returned home, and shortly after midnight when her father phoned and the cell phone pinged from the location where it was thrown away.

 

[otto]

As per the letter to Obama, Congress, and getting the State Department involved: All I have been reading - on forums both pro and anti Knox innocence - leads me to believe that my feelings that this is a dead end, and a bad idea, and problematic, and will not lead to any desired result, were correct.

Personally, I think it's hilarious. Is it this "bruce fisher" (unknown name) person that is now writing to the President and expecting to be taken seriously? He may has well claim that he's the Cat in the Hat ... won't make any difference.

 

[otto]

I'm sure the video is on the internet somewhere as well. It can probably be googled or found on youtube.

When you say there is absolutely no evidence that Knox and Sollecito were at the crime scene, are you defining the crime scene to be the few feet on either side of Meredith's body, or the cottage?

 

[SMK]

Personally, I think it's hilarious. Is it this "bruce fisher" (unknown name) person that is now writing to the President and expecting to be taken seriously? He may has well claim that he's the Cat in the Hat ... won't make any difference.

No, it is The Honorable Judge Heavey who headed the letter; the rest are co-signers. But His Honor is being taken to task now, from what I hear......Oy, Vey, is all I can say at this point.

 

[otto]

No, it is The Honorable Judge Heavey who headed the letter; the rest are co-signers. But His Honor is being taken to task now, from what I hear......Oy, Vey, is all I can say at this point.

Quite right. Thank you. I read that letter. Isn't it full of funny facts, like the suggestion that Knox didn't have a translator and that she first confessed at 5:45 AM? That private citizen (he is not writing as a judge, but rather as one of the neighbors of the Knox/Mellas family) should get his facts right before he starts firing letters to the president.