Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #14

[otto]

SMK, I now see that Heavey sent a letter to the President on stationary from the Chambers of Judge Heavey, which is a definite violation of his previous agreement. Is he being pressured by his daughter, the classmate of Knox?

 

[PalmettoGirl]

It is an opinion that the bra clasp was mishandled. The courts rejected the argument that there was contamination.

The courts also initially said there couldn't be an independent review of the DNA. Just because they say something doesn't make it right.

 

[SMK]

SMK, I now see that Heavey sent a letter to the President on stationary from the Chambers of Judge Heavey, which is a definite violation of his previous agreement. Is he being pressured by his daughter, the classmate of Knox?

All I know is it was not a smart move, as they have him on violation of judiciary code of conduct now.

 

[SMK]

I'm wondering where you found information stating that the washer was not warm when Filomina arrived.

Was it not left out of the Massei report, because no longer viewed as relevant, because mistaken?:crazy:

 

[otto]

The courts also initially said there couldn't be an independent review of the DNA. Just because they say something doesn't make it right.

Raffaele's lawyer requested an independent DNA review during trial. It was denied. During appeal, the judge allowed the DNA analysis of two pieces of the total DNA evidence to be reviewed.

 

[otto]

All I know is it was not a smart move, as they have him on violation of judiciary code of conduct now.

I suppose that makes him just like the Italian prosecutor ... someone that works in justice and who has some complaints against him ... and who is still working in the field of justice even after admitting judicial misconduct. I suppose the difference is that Mignini stopped doing whatever it was that got him into trouble, the Heavey doesn't seem to care enough about the law to stop doing whatever it was that got him into trouble. Or ... am I missing something? Could there be another reason why Heavey, the father of Amanda's classmate, is repeating the same legal violation?

 

[SMK]

I suppose that makes him just like the Italian prosecutor ... someone that works in justice and who has some complaints against him ... and who is still working in the field of justice even after admitting judicial misconduct. I suppose the difference is that Mignini stopped doing whatever it was that got him into trouble, the Heavey doesn't seem to care enough about the law to stop doing whatever it was that got him into trouble. Or ... am I missing something? Could there be another reason why Heavey, the father of Amanda's classmate, is repeating the same legal violation?

Maybe because he thinks it is not going to make any difference, seeing as Obama and the State Department have remained aloof?:waitasec: and also because he seems to have answers to the allegations ("I am trying to further justice impartially")? Or, as with Mignini, he believes people will respect him notwithstanding?

 

[otto]

Was it not left out of the Massei report, because no longer viewed as relevant, because mistaken?:crazy:

Based on the quote below, I would assume that the contents of the washing machine were deemed relevant and were examined ... thus leading me to believe that Filomina's account of the warm washing machine was believed.

"Three samples were taken from two very wet lilac towels found by the Flying Squad [Squadra Mobile] of Perugia inside the washing machine, ..."

pg 192
http://www.westseattleherald.com/si...ttachments/MasseiReportEnglishTranslation.pdf

 

[otto]

Maybe because he thinks it is not going to make any difference, seeing as Obama and the State Department have remained aloof?:waitasec: and also because he seems to have answers to the allegations ("I am trying to further justice impartially")? Or, as with Mignini, he believes people will respect him notwithstanding?

The US Embassy in Rome monitored the trial from the beginning and met with Knox throughout the trial. Everything was done by the book with her and there was no reason to object to the legal process as it applied to Knox.

 

[SMK]

Based on the quote below, I would assume that the contents of the washing machine were deemed relevant and were examined ... thus leading me to believe that Filomina's account of the warm washing machine was believed.

"Three samples were taken from two very wet lilac towels found by the Flying Squad [Squadra Mobile] of Perugia inside the washing machine, ..."

pg 192
http://www.westseattleherald.com/si...ttachments/MasseiReportEnglishTranslation.pdf

Oh, Okie, then. :razz:

 

[SMK]

The US Embassy in Rome monitored the trial from the beginning and met with Knox throughout the trial. Everything was done by the book with her and there was no reason to object to the legal process as it applied to Knox.

It does seem kind of as if the Judge functioned badly, in that he pursued a course of action which may be diametrically opposed to Knox's genuine interest. That is what got me.

 

[otto]

It does seem kind of as if the Judge functioned badly, in that he pursued a course of action which may be diametrically opposed to Knox's genuine interest. That is what got me.

I see the biggest problem in Heavey's letter being the factual errors. He appears to be very ill informed about the case - which leads to the big question of who is pulling his strings.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/57542308/Michael-Heavey-Letter

 

[SMK]

Well, he does end it with, "This letter is written in my personal capacity only; not in my judicial capacity". The question is: Where is the response from the President, the Secretary of State, Members of the US Congress, and the Press, who were all Cced in? It is being ignored, which I do not think looks good. He makes some good points. Others, a bit too far. Oy , vey.:desert:

 

[otto]

Well, he does end it with, "This letter is written in my personal capacity only; not in my judicial capacity". The question is: Where is the response from the President, the Secretary of State, Members of the US Congress, and the Press, who were all Cced in? It is being ignored, which I do not think looks good. He makes some good points. Others, a bit too far. Oy , vey.:desert:

Heavey used court stationary for personal reasons - something he should not be doing - to give an opinion that is not based in fact. What sort of response is he expecting?

 

[SMK]

Heavey used court stationary for personal reasons - something he should not be doing - to give an opinion that is not based in fact. What sort of response is he expecting?

I don't know. But had he gotten one, and if it were positive, it would have been published.

 

[dgfred]

Heavey used court stationary for personal reasons - something he should not be doing - to give an opinion that is not based in fact. What sort of response is he expecting?

I think maybe someone 'made' that stationary for him... not exactly court. So it would look official even tho it wasn't. 'From the Chambers' could possibly have several meanings. Obviously he doesn't know the case, is trying to influence the outcome, and doesn't REALLY know that he is actually hurting support by being one of the supporters.

 

[SMK]

I think maybe someone 'made' that stationary for him... not exactly court. So it would look official even tho it wasn't. 'From the Chambers' could possibly have several meanings. Obviously he doesn't know the case, is trying to influence the outcome, and doesn't REALLY know that he is actually hurting support by being one of the supporters.

Well, my own feeling is that the fates of Knox and Sollecito hang with the Perugia appeals court process. Obama, the State Department, Congress, would not be likely to be involved unless someone from the US who was monitoring the case truly felt her rights had been violated. I may be wrong; they may take an interest. Which points do you, or Otto, believe that Heavey is wrong about again?

 

[Nova]

I never called her a liar. I said she turned out to be flat-out wrong that the washer was warm. It wasn't. I guess her hand was warm or something.

To my knowledge, nobody here has ever accused Filomena of lying.

What some of us have said is that her recollections shouldn't have been substituted for proper forensic processing of a crime scene. I believe we would say the same of any eyewitness.

 

[Nova]

It is an opinion that the bra clasp was mishandled. The courts rejected the argument that there was contamination.

It is the only educated opinion.

Now whether the mishandling resulting in irreparable contamination may be debated, I suppose, but there's no knowledgeable argument that holds artifacts should be passed around before being tested for DNA.

 

[dgfred]

Well, my own feeling is that the fates of Knox and Sollecito hang with the Perugia appeals court process. Obama, the State Department, Congress, would not be likely to be involved unless someone from the US who was monitoring the case truly felt her rights had been violated. I may be wrong; they may take an interest. Which points do you, or Otto, believe that Heavey is wrong about again?

A couple from fading memory are:

She had no interpreter
She was interrogated all night
She wasn't recorded as a witness
Denied food, water and bathroom